Philosophy And Science

WanderingTaoist · 10th January 2007, 11:33 AM

How are philosophy and science related to each other?

Starry_Canopy · 10th January 2007, 11:43 AM

Science, as defined till now, deals with the understanding reached using only the right brain (rational thinking). This process of deriving the understanding is of paramount importance to it.

The paramount importance for Philosophy is the truth itself and not the process of arriving at it, which might include non-right brain inputs such as intuition, replicable paranormal experiences etc.

That's, briefly, my way of differentiating between them .... wish to be exposed to other ways also

11th January 2007, 01:19 AM

People often use philosophy to mean ideology. Philosophy the academic subject is quite different, it requires a great deal of logical argument and rational thought. For instance, philosophy is the subject where `Logic and Critical Thinking' courses are taught.

I think in that sense the only difference between science and philosophy is that science is driven purely by data whereas philosophy allows for logical though unproven conclusions.

Starry_Canopy · 11th January 2007, 05:02 AM

True, it depends on how philosophy is defined. In the West, especially after Aristotle, its scope has been limited by logic; but not in the earlier traditions of both East and West. Logic was only one of the disciplines required for philosophical inquiries.

That it includes logic is not the issue. The issue is that while any search of truth can't exclude logic, it cannot also be limited by logic. Limiting the search for truth by logic is like limiting the scope of understanding to what a computer software is capable of analysing. The problem is bigger than what the tools devised for simplifying it are capable of each or a set of them handling by themselves exclusively.

WanderingTaoist · 11th January 2007, 05:56 AM

"One cannot have a logical system of existence. To be a logical system is always for something to be closed; while to exist is to be radically open."

Michael · 11th January 2007, 06:07 AM

Interesting quote. Who said that?

scameter · 11th January 2007, 12:33 PM

Personally, I like the answer to this question given by the author (I've forgotten his name) of the book The Story of Philosophy. He said that philosophy, science and the arts are like this: truth is the objective; philosophy is on the front lines towards this, with only it and the truth infront of it; the parts of the truth that philosophy takes in and conquers, in a sense, science then settles, stabilizes, and organizes it; the arts the flourish and live in this settled territory.

19th January 2007, 10:59 PM

The issue is that while any search of truth can't exclude logic, it cannot also be limited by logic. Limiting the search for truth by logic is like limiting the scope of understanding to what a computer software is capable of analysing

truth is the objective

"What is truth"?

Noway2Zero · 20th January 2007, 10:32 AM

"You cant organize Truth, thats like putting water onto a piece of wrapping paper and trying to wrap it up neatly" -Bruce Lee

Starry_Canopy · 20th January 2007, 09:37 PM

Quote:

"What is truth"?

Truth is what is

10th January 2007, 11:33 AM	#1
WanderingTaoist Advanced Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 265	How are philosophy and science related to each other? __________________ Tao is the good man's treasure, the bad man's refuge.

10th January 2007, 11:43 AM	#2
Starry_Canopy Super Moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Singapore Posts: 688	Science, as defined till now, deals with the understanding reached using only the right brain (rational thinking). This process of deriving the understanding is of paramount importance to it. The paramount importance for Philosophy is the truth itself and not the process of arriving at it, which might include non-right brain inputs such as intuition, replicable paranormal experiences etc. That's, briefly, my way of differentiating between them .... wish to be exposed to other ways also __________________ Truth is a pathless land - J Krishnamurti

11th January 2007, 05:02 AM	#4
Starry_Canopy Super Moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Singapore Posts: 688	True, it depends on how philosophy is defined. In the West, especially after Aristotle, its scope has been limited by logic; but not in the earlier traditions of both East and West. Logic was only one of the disciplines required for philosophical inquiries. That it includes logic is not the issue. The issue is that while any search of truth can't exclude logic, it cannot also be limited by logic. Limiting the search for truth by logic is like limiting the scope of understanding to what a computer software is capable of analysing. The problem is bigger than what the tools devised for simplifying it are capable of each or a set of them handling by themselves exclusively. __________________ Truth is a pathless land - J Krishnamurti

11th January 2007, 05:56 AM	#5
WanderingTaoist Advanced Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 265	"One cannot have a logical system of existence. To be a logical system is always for something to be closed; while to exist is to be radically open." __________________ Tao is the good man's treasure, the bad man's refuge.

11th January 2007, 06:07 AM	#6
Michael Moderator Join Date: May 2006 Location: Ireland Posts: 1,308	Interesting quote. Who said that? __________________ All will be well, all manner of things will be well

11th January 2007, 01:19 AM	#3
Nailles Posts: n/a	People often use philosophy to mean ideology. Philosophy the academic subject is quite different, it requires a great deal of logical argument and rational thought. For instance, philosophy is the subject where `Logic and Critical Thinking' courses are taught. I think in that sense the only difference between science and philosophy is that science is driven purely by data whereas philosophy allows for logical though unproven conclusions.

11th January 2007, 12:33 PM	#7
scameter Tankare Join Date: May 2005 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 6,224	Personally, I like the answer to this question given by the author (I've forgotten his name) of the book The Story of Philosophy. He said that philosophy, science and the arts are like this: truth is the objective; philosophy is on the front lines towards this, with only it and the truth infront of it; the parts of the truth that philosophy takes in and conquers, in a sense, science then settles, stabilizes, and organizes it; the arts the flourish and live in this settled territory.

19th January 2007, 10:59 PM	#8
Taeguk Posts: n/a	The issue is that while any search of truth can't exclude logic, it cannot also be limited by logic. Limiting the search for truth by logic is like limiting the scope of understanding to what a computer software is capable of analysing truth is the objective "What is truth"?

20th January 2007, 10:32 AM	#9
Noway2Zero Advanced Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 352	"You cant organize Truth, thats like putting water onto a piece of wrapping paper and trying to wrap it up neatly" -Bruce Lee __________________ Life is living, and the living flow. - Bruce Lee

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