Committing self-sense suicide

[bito]

What man is afraid to admit to himself is that it is his sense awareness of the conjoined twins of good and evil that is the cause of his self-righteousness. And that until he is a man of sense no more, that he is a slave to the division he manifests as a consequence of his self-righteousness.

It is simple to discover for oneself, the truth of what I say above. Go within, still your mind unto pure sense awareness and see how long you remain in pure sensory awareness before you are naming what you sense, and then, attributing good and evil attributes to those names. And then, how long you can retain these subjective-objective interpretations within your individual consciousness before you feel the desire to release them into the world as "truth."

It is man's delusion that he can remain a man of sense and not demonstrate self-righteousness. Can you remain in the world of "dog" without feeling attracted to or repelled by "dog?" Can you remain in the world of "food" and not feel the fear that you might not have "food", and in feeling this fear, hoard food? Can you remain in the world of "person" and not feel the preference for this "person" over that "person?" The honest man will say no, he cannot remain in his sense world and not be self-righteous in his thinking.

The realization that comforts the man who willingly sentences his sense awareness to death, precept by precept, line by line, here a little, there a little, is that God/Life will continue being God/Life when his sense awareness is no more, and since he cannot leave God/Life, and God/Life cannot leave him, what has he lost?

[schrodinger]

What man is afraid to admit to himself is that it is his sense awareness of the conjoined twins of good and evil that is the cause of his self-righteousness. And that until he is a man of sense no more, that he is a slave to the division he manifests as a consequence of his self-righteousness.

It is simple to discover for oneself, the truth of what I say above. Go within, still your mind unto pure sense awareness and see how long you remain in pure sensory awareness before you are naming what you sense, and then, attributing good and evil attributes to those names. And then, how long you can retain these subjective-objective interpretations within your individual consciousness before you feel the desire to release them into the world as "truth."

It is man's delusion that he can remain a man of sense and not demonstrate self-righteousness. Can you remain in the world of "dog" without feeling attracted to or repelled by "dog?" Can you remain in the world of "food" and not feel the fear that you might not have "food", and in feeling this fear, hoard food? Can you remain in the world of "person" and not feel the preference for this "person" over that "person?" The honest man will say no, he cannot remain in his sense world and not be self-righteous in his thinking.

The realization that comforts the man who willingly sentences his sense awareness to death, precept by precept, line by line, here a little, there a little, is that God/Life will continue being God/Life when his sense awareness is no more, and since he cannot leave God/Life, and God/Life cannot leave him, what has he lost?

So it seems you hold this life, this existence in contempt, as if it is something to be free of? That must be a very sad and non-productive way to go through life! To me, a righteous person is one who can face up to all that this life offers recognizing what is good and what is evil ( else how can the precepts or the commandments even be written down) and still be righteous in thoughts words and deeds. You cannot make the world go away, bito! You need to rise above it!

[greg]

What man is afraid to admit to himself is that it is his sense awareness of the conjoined twins of good and evil that is the cause of his self-righteousness. And that until he is a man of sense no more, that he is a slave to the division he manifests as a consequence of his self-righteousness.

It is simple to discover for oneself, the truth of what I say above. Go within, still your mind unto pure sense awareness and see how long you remain in pure sensory awareness before you are naming what you sense, and then, attributing good and evil attributes to those names. And then, how long you can retain these subjective-objective interpretations within your individual consciousness before you feel the desire to release them into the world as "truth."

It is man's delusion that he can remain a man of sense and not demonstrate self-righteousness. Can you remain in the world of "dog" without feeling attracted to or repelled by "dog?" Can you remain in the world of "food" and not feel the fear that you might not have "food", and in feeling this fear, hoard food? Can you remain in the world of "person" and not feel the preference for this "person" over that "person?" The honest man will say no, he cannot remain in his sense world and not be self-righteous in his thinking.

The realization that comforts the man who willingly sentences his sense awareness to death, precept by precept, line by line, here a little, there a little, is that God/Life will continue being God/Life when his sense awareness is no more, and since he cannot leave God/Life, and God/Life cannot leave him, what has he lost?

That is exactly the point. You can’t leave. All that is left is God and life.

Greg

[bito]

It is man's darkness (ignorance) that he limits God in his mind of sense to his mind of sense.

Transcending the mind of sense has nothing to do with contempt for the world; contempt is an activity of the "logical" sense mind of man. Transcending the mind of sense is to transcend the limitations of the "logical" sense mind of man so as to ascend into the awareness of that which is the wholeness, the completeness, the perfection and the purity of Thought that knows not of "unity" or "contempt", for it is of the light of omnipresence.

shrodinger: You cannot make the world go away, bito! You need to rise above it!

These are just words until you can show me the way to rise above the world.

greg:
That is exactly the point. You can’t leave. All that is left is God and life.

It is true that you cannot leave your consciousness. It is not true that you cannot leave your present world of awareness, for you leave your present world of sense awareness when your breath leaves your body. How then will you interpret your awareness of you, when your sense (breath) awareness is no more? What will be your reference point when their is nothing to see, hear, touch, taste or smell?

You say God and life. Is God separate from life?

[greg]

It is man's darkness (ignorance) that he limits God in his mind of sense to his mind of sense.

Transcending the mind of sense has nothing to do with contempt for the world; contempt is an activity of the "logical" sense mind of man. Transcending the mind of sense is to transcend the limitations of the "logical" sense mind of man so as to ascend into the awareness of that which is the wholeness, the completeness, the perfection and the purity of Thought that knows not of "unity" or "contempt", for it is of the light of omnipresence.



These are just words until you can show me the way to rise above the world.



It is true that you cannot leave your consciousness. It is not true that you cannot leave your present world of awareness, for you leave your present world of sense awareness when your breath leaves your body. How then will you interpret your awareness of you, when your sense (breath) awareness is no more? What will be your reference point when their is nothing to see, hear, touch, taste or smell?

You say God and life. Is God separate from life?


Words in themselves have no meaning except the meaning we give to them. We refine that meaning with more words and more meanings.
Committing self-sense suicide could be the most loaded quote I have seen.

What is the self? What is the higher self?
What is the ego?
What is suicide?

For me the question would have been. What is the difference between thinking you are God and knowing you are God

Thinking, is the way. Being there is knowledge. Once you have reached the goal then thinking is of no use.

Is God seperate from life?

Are you seperate from God?

[bito]

Words in themselves have no meaning except the meaning we give to them.

What is the nature of this "meaning" of which you speak?" Is it literal? Is it metaphorical? If we do not understand from which position we are using words, how can we communicate with one another?

I declare now, until you or anyone else gives evidence to the contrary, that every word that comes out of the sense mouth of man is a metaphor and that its meaning is always subjective-objective to the speaker, therefore, cannot be communicated so that "truth" may be discerned.

We refine that meaning with more words and more meanings.
Committing self-sense suicide could be the most loaded quote I have seen.

Saying that we refine that meaning with more words and more meanings without demonstrating how this happens, is of no use to me in uderstanding what you "mean."

As for the quote I used, with what is it loaded? Again, throwing out the word "loaded" within explaining what you "mean" by loaded does not help me understand your "meaning" of loaded.

What is the self? What is the higher self?
What is the ego?
What is suicide?

Every one of these metaphors are touched upon in my original post. Had you entered that post, dealing with my statements, statement by statement, rather than simply copy and pasting the entire post, you would not be asking me these questions now.


For me the question would have been. What is the difference between thinking you are God and knowing you are God.

Why not begin your own thread on this question? You entered my thread on self-sense suicide; this is the topic of this thread.

Thinking, is the way. Being there is knowledge. Once you have reached the goal then thinking is of no use.

Telling me that this is the way or that is the way without showing me the way is useless to me. What is the goal of which you speak? How do I attain the goal?

Is God seperate from life?

Are you seperate from God?

This is the question I asked you, which you have not answered, for it was you who said "God and life", not I.

[greg]

What is the nature of this "meaning" of which you speak?" Is it literal? Is it metaphorical? If we do not understand from which position we are using words, how can we communicate with one another?

Greg - Thank you for putting into words you understand the meaning of my words.

I declare now, until you or anyone else gives evidence to the contrary, that every word that comes out of the sense mouth of man is a metaphor and that its meaning is always subjective-objective to the speaker, therefore, cannot be communicated so that "truth" may be discerned.

Greg - What is this truth of which you speak



Saying that we refine that meaning with more words and more meanings without demonstrating how this happens, is of no use to me in uderstanding what you "mean."

Greg - My point exactly.

As for the quote I used, with what is it loaded? Again, throwing out the word "loaded" within explaining what you "mean" by loaded does not help me understand your "meaning" of loaded.

Greg - You are showing in this post what I mean.



Every one of these metaphors are touched upon in my original post. Had you entered that post, dealing with my statements, statement by statement, rather than simply copy and pasting the entire post, you would not be asking me these questions now.

Greg - It is not I who didn't understand your post. It was Schrodinger.



Why not begin your own thread on this question? You entered my thread on self-sense suicide; this is the topic of this thread.

Greg - I was showing you that I understood your post.



Telling me that this is the way or that is the way without showing me the way is useless to me. What is the goal of which you speak? How do I attain the goal?

Greg - I beleive this is a Dicussion about world religions and beliefs. What are you talking about?



This is the question I asked you, which you have not answered, for it was you who said "God and life", not I.

Greg - because god can not commit suicide. God is everything not just what you think he is. Being God doesn't change anything only the knowedge.

[jufa]

Greg - because god can not commit suicide. God is everything not just what you think he is. Being God doesn't change anything only the knowedge.



Why can't God commit suicide? Just you saying God cannot commit suicide is not saying anything but what you think- believe, without anything other than your words.

Being God is everything, how could God not be what man has not thought what He/She/ It is by any other way than what one has thought or believed God to be?

Being God is omniety, and changes not, what knowledge can be changed?

[jufa]

So it seems you hold this life, this existence in contempt, as if it is something to be free of? That must be a very sad and non-productive way to go through life! To me, a righteous person is one who can face up to all that this life offers recognizing what is good and what is evil ( else how can the precepts or the commandments even be written down) and still be righteous in thoughts words and deeds. You cannot make the world go away, bito! You need to rise above it!

How do you reach the conclusion bito holds this life, this existence of living in contempt? broad assumption, broad personal assumption with no basis given, and without knowledge. And how could you assume how a person goes throught life as being sad? Is it because you have walked in the very shoes bito is walking though, and know? When you say to me, it is a personal opinion, pleated with fragmented assumptions. Does what you say about righteousness apply to all mankind? If it does, then all mankind has the same to me attitude, which has not be displayed, of righteousness, of good and evil, and live in righteousness of thought as you do? What is righteous of thought beyond opinions, concepts, and theories? Bito has not said one must make the world go away, bito has made a statement concering bito's experimental experiences, not the world as you have done. What bito is saying, by my experimental experience of living is one must go through the world to get beyond the world. Tell me, how else can one go beyond anything is they do not go through it, and overcome it so advancement beyond can be accomplished?

[greg]

Why can't God commit suicide? Just you saying God cannot commit suicide is not saying anything but what you think- believe, without anything other than your words.What would you have me use?

Greg - What would you have me use?

Being God is everything, how could God not be what man has not thought what He/She/ It is by any other way than what one has thought or believed God to be?

Greg - Are you saying there is no God except what we think-believe?


Being God is omniety, and changes not, what knowledge can be changed?

Greg - (Omniety is not a word in the Random House Webster’s College Dictionary.)
All knowledge can be changed. Only the truth is unchangeable.




There is morre to that post in the quotes.

Greg

[bito]

Greg - I was showing you that I understood your post.

The points you bring up to me are summarized, for me, in your statement above.

You did not understand my post as I understood my post, which was indicated by your question "what are you talking about?"

In context to the subject matter of this thread, which is "committing self-sense suicide", it is one's belief that they "know" what another is thinking (in the sense of having "absolute knowledge" of another's stream of thinking) that needs to be killed in their consciousness if it is to the awareness that is beyond this illusion of "a collective intellectual mind" that they desire to ascend.

[greg]

The points you bring up to me are summarized, for me, in your statement above.

You did not understand my post as I understood my post, which was indicated by your question "what are you talking about?"

In context to the subject matter of this thread, which is "committing self-sense suicide", it is one's belief that they "know" what another is thinking (in the sense of having "absolute knowledge" of another's stream of thinking) that needs to be killed in their consciousness if it is to the awareness that is beyond this illusion of "a collective intellectual mind" that they desire to ascend.

Perhaps we should be talking about consciousness and awareness.

Greg

[jufa]

Originally Posted by jufa
Why can't God commit suicide? Just you saying God cannot commit suicide is not saying anything but what you think- believe, without anything other than your words.What would you have me use?

Greg - What would you have me use?

Just want you to answer the question

Being God is everything, how could God not be what man has not thought what He/She/ It is by any other way than what one has thought or believed God to be?

Greg - Are you saying there is no God except what we think-believe?

Am saying God is everything

Being God is omniety, and changes not, what knowledge can be changed?

Greg - (Omniety is not a word in the Random House Webster’s College Dictionary.)

May not be, but it is in a dictionary.

All knowledge can be changed. Only the truth is unchangeable.

Knowledge does not change, what changes is ones expansion of knowledge

There is morre to that post in the quotes.

Am only addressing your statements. Should there be more to the quote, then the more, can be discussed should you bring it forth.

[greg]

Just want you to answer the question



Am saying



May not be, but it is in a dictionary.



Knowledge does not change, what changes is ones expansion of knowledge



Am only addressing your statements. Should there be more to the quote, then the more, can be discussed should you bring it forth.

Why don't you use I am when refering to yourself? Afraid to use the I why would that be I wonder.

[jufa]

Why don't you use I am when refering to yourself? Afraid to use the I why would that be I wonder.

Why do you dodge the contents of my post and the questions put to you? The above has nothing to do with the theme of this thread.

[greg]

Just want you to answer the question
OK


Am saying
I see


May not be, but it is in a dictionary.
A dictionary?


Knowledge does not change, what changes is ones expansion of knowledge
OK


Am only addressing your statements. Should there be more to the quote, then the more, can be discussed should you bring it forth.
discussed?

[jufa]

greg Quote:
Originally Posted by jufa
Just want you to answer the question
OK


Am saying
I see


May not be, but it is in a dictionary.
A dictionary?


Knowledge does not change, what changes is ones expansion of knowledge
OK


Am only addressing your statements. Should there be more to the quote, then the more, can be discussed should you bring it forth.

discussed?

Yep, got some illiterate writers on ths forum, how discussed!!!