psychedelic drugs

[nyxjz]

psychedelic drugs include lsd, mescaline, mushrooms and others

People have written that these drugs can create a mystical experience. And that oftentimes these drugs create personality changes and changes in life perspective. More often, these changes are reported to be positive.

Do you guys think it would be a good idea to try it out? What do you guys think about these drugs?

[Trevor]

psychedelic drugs include lsd, mescaline, mushrooms and others

People have written that these drugs can create a mystical experience. And that oftentimes these drugs create personality changes and changes in life perspective. More often, these changes are reported to be positive.

Do you guys think it would be a good idea to try it out? What do you guys think about these drugs?

I've tried L.S.D. and 'shrooms years ago. L.S.D. was an emotional roller coaster depending on the environment that I found myself in. It made me aware of the intensity of my emotional states and their transitions from one to the other. I liked the high after getting used to what to expect. It will keep you awake all night so don't plan on getting any sleep. The best thing is the colours and music...:peace:
Mushrooms were explained to me as a 'body stone' and I did them at the club while dancing.
If you do them for the first time it's better to have someone to guide you through the high because it lasts for a few hours depending on how much you take. I never took two hits of L.S.D., or more than just a small amount of mushrooms.
Of the two I'd say that L.S.D. was more eye opening to me.
I never did mescaline. After learning that it was native medicine and hearing a warning that it should be kept for only their religious ceremonies and vision quests, I decided that I wouldn't do it if I ever did come across it.
It's tempting though. Who knows, maybe under the right circumstances.

[peterh]

the taking of psychotropes is for a specific reason in the cultures they exist in they are not for parties and you may end up taking a trip you dont come back from. the red indians of what is now called america in some parts of the land where the cactus grows take the cactus i think for a similar reason to the indigenous of australia they are for co-rwobery which is to sing and dance there ancestral dreaming. these drugs can make you psychotic and this will prevent you from conecting to the univeral forces unknown to me that speak to our mind truth across time. this is not the only reason for co-rwobery it is also about the conection to the land that is the very nature of their culture eating from the wild living and making tools etc dont take psychotropes thinking its going to be a blast all my unfortunate experince with taking drugs of different kinds and being forced to take them have been negative it detracts from good health and causes illness you might think im stupid but just say no refuse to take drugs if offered what other choice do you have ill tell you get addicted after the first time and end up a drug looser who dies destute on the street.

[nyxjz]

Its odd though because all of the people( about 6) that I know who have done and still do these drugs(occasionally) have , i would say, better lives. They do more interesting things than normal kids on campus. Like they'll travel a lot to places like Hawaii. They seem to have more passions in life and are a lot more interesting to be around.

Cokeheads on the other hand are usually a different story. But psychedelics don't seem to ruin lives. At least I haven't seen it.

I did do lsd before at the beach. It was an incredible experience. Everything just became so beautiful. I played frisbee and we walked around. While in the bathroom, the sun got covered by the cloud and all of the little bumps on the walls that had shadows, just looked really crazy. Cuz all of the shadows from the bumps moved in an amazing pattern. I never noticed such a thing before. The shadows that each grain of sand had also became visible to me. And for some reason, I thought I was jesus while staring at the patterns in the sand.
I was also pretty convinced that the sand was alive and it looked a lot like a civilization of people. I could see patterns that resembled buildings and people moving around and camels. lol. The movement of the patterns was due to the wind and the sand.

I did feel fear at one point though. While walking on the pier, someone tried to sell me a music cd. He was very aggresive and when I looked at his face, I could see all the details- the lines, the wrinkles, the aggression. I felt an intense fear. But luckily I was able to walk away.

I've done shrooms too at the park. The most significant thing for me was that music sounded so nice and slow. Also while looking at a cloud, it just got really big somehow, as if I was zooming in. I thought the cloud went inside me or something...
I also had to go into a restaurant to use the restroom. This was a very formal restaurant and as soon as I walked in, I noticed that I straightened up, stopped smiling, and became all serious, at least on the outside. This change was very sudden, and when I walked out of the restaurant, back into the park, I became loose and goofy again.

Ive also seen someone take 4 hits of acid. He started exploring the neighborhood and was mumbling about perfection. He said the city of LA lit up. But he did lose control. But he luckily didn't get hurt or anything, but he was close to.

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psychedelic drugs include lsd, mescaline, mushrooms and others

People have written that these drugs can create a mystical experience. And that oftentimes these drugs create personality changes and changes in life perspective. More often, these changes are reported to be positive.

Do you guys think it would be a good idea to try it out? What do you guys think about these drugs?

..it all depends on the intent with which you take them. If you want an experience to goes further than just a cool trip, or a diversion from everyday life, you'd approach that time with the respect it deserves...

..i can't comment on LSD, but i consider mushrooms my friends i visit once i a while; just to listen to their stories, and the latest gossip. That does not sound respectful at all, but the keyword here is listen. If you are serious about this then go deeper than you've done...

..i'd say stay organic and stick with mushrooms. It won't hurt to overdose a little, as odd as that may sound. Brew your tea with plenty of fresh shrooms, drink on an empty stomach, and don't go outside: go inside and discover something about yourself!

[kris]

People have written that these drugs can create a mystical experience. And that oftentimes these drugs create personality changes and changes in life perspective. More often, these changes are reported to be positive.I don't know what a mystical experience is but my everyday experiences bring about personality changes in me. Our ability to analyze, understand and come to terms with everyday experiences is what should lead to changes in life perspective.

Do you guys think it would be a good idea to try it out? What do you guys think about these drugs?Not much. I have close friends who have tried ayahuasca a couple of times in the jungles of Peru and I don't consider them to be more enlightened than me. It seems counter-intuitive to think that we would need something external to us in order to discover what is within us.

[Gelatinous Pope]

If you have acid you should give it to me.
When i smoked DMT, I saw my entire life replay and I saw my future and I saw myself. I saw who I truly was as my ego died before me. I realized that I hated myself. I was reborn into a more conscious human being. I let the old thing I thought I was die.

[VossistArts]

If you have acid you should give it to me.
When i smoked DMT, I saw my entire life replay and I saw my future and I saw myself. I saw who I truly was as my ego died before me. I realized that I hated myself. I was reborn into a more conscious human being. I let the old thing I thought I was die.

HAHA POPE! That sounds just like something I would say. If you have some acid you should give it to me. Yep. Here too.

Psychotropics have been very good to me. When I was in my late teens growing up in a small conservative isolated city I was almost hateful of how I perceived tight limitations inside and outside of me. I remember thinking " if this is all there is...." But then psilocybin in mushrooms. Thank the gods! The mind is expansive! Almost limitless! So many possibilities! Then the lsd. 1oos of times. Until one night my trip companion and I looked at each other and expressed the same thought. " I am no different on blaze than I am sober or in any other state of mind. My ground is always ground. Other than the audio/visual/sensory distortions that accompany lsd and mushrooms.. mind is, always is ground.

It had been a good 10 or more years since i'd taken lsd until last July. It was so interesting. What I noticed most was the difference in my quality of mind now compared to how I was back then. Back then, endless chatter inside my head. Internal conversation twisting and crawling into my reality. Now, quiet. The ability to sit and observe mostly silently inside. How expansive. But the expanse is hindered by the predictable effects of the drug. Still. YAY! it was fun.

I honestly cant picture myself at any age no longer willing to trip here and there. I mean, however you see things, great insight often comes in the perceptual shift that practicing unusual and sometimes extreme practices jolt us into. Fasting, retreats, being homeless, lost in the woods, a 4-way black pyramid blotter... zap! and oh! hadnt seen THAT one before. nice :)

[VossistArts]

AH but to a person who had never tried psychedelics would I recommend them? I would not. I would suggest that person avoid them (unless they could try them in my company. That might create an exception). But generally no. I have witnessed at least twice, seeing a person
take some psychedelic and have it wake up in them some permanent psychosis, neurosis, that to this day I can still see in their eyes. Probably made something of a mess of their lives ever since that bad trip. Not worth the chance in my opinion.

[Gelatinous Pope]

I recently experimented with one of Alexander Shulgin's phenethylamine cocktails. Commonly known as DOB, or chemically 2,5-Dimethoxy-4-bromoamphetamine. The dosage is very sensitive. I took 1 milligram, which has been dubbed as the lower dose. 3 milligrams is a heavy dose. And much more than that is said to be an overdose. Again dosage is VERY sensitive with this chemical. Not to say a there would be a fatal overdose anywhere above 3 mg, but the body load would be extremely intense and you would have a terrible trip in many ways which I'm sure I couldn't even imagine. And even that is not to say that it couldn't be fatal again.

I would describe my experience as a twisted version of mescaline with 30 mg of amphetamine on the side. A friend did it with me and he took 2 mg. The onset came fast for us both (makes sense we're both relatively lightweight/fast metabolism) about 15-20 minutes. For the next hour, after we initially noticed the chemicals presence, we only felt the speedy (amphetamine) part. My thought went faster and faster and they occurred more sporadically. I felt more and more energetic/adrenaline. I couldn't sit still without twitching and twittering. I had so much useless energy, I decided to jump on a trampoline and run and climb trees too fast for safety's sake. Then the psychedelic part starting coming on. At this point my friend and I starting interacting verbally, which seemed fine when it was just speedy, in fact more articulate. But as soon as the psychedelic part came on our understanding of each other began to warp. We even each noticed ourselves struggling to understand our own thoughts at times. Before long, all I really had to say to my friend was "what the ****," and he seemed to understand that. During this trip I concluded that all man-made chemicals, although they can be fun, are not what the hippies described as "mind expanding." I would not even consider them psychedelic. Because I can feel when I take them that they are simply designed to make me feel that way. Natural psychedelics have a spirit that can be connected to and experienced with.

Anyway so eventually we wanted to walk to the forest after a little while (I might have forgot to mention that the effects of DOB last 18-30 hours). Try to get ready to leave for the walk was a mess. We were both scatter-brained and seemed to be simultaneously and losing all and finding all our gear and trying to perform every task at once. Then as soon as we left and starting passing houses and cars, we both became very paranoid My friend I would even say was extremely paranoid and I think he added to me being paranoid. Everyone was watching us. The police were waiting in the bushes up ahead and we had to take a different route. An old lady stopped and asked us for directions, obviously she's on to us. I can hear the noise, I can hear the lights, the helicopters are coming.

Though as soon as we got off the streets and into the forest the paranoia faded away. We had ingested around noon and arrived in the forest around 5, and at that point, my friend finally said "Ok, I think I'm settling into my trip." The rest of the trip was incredibly fun and athletic/acrobatic. Speaking of being healthy and athletic, I noticed smoking tobacco to be especially enjoyable The stimulant effect multiplied with that of the DOB. I think I smoked 10 that day. We smoked marijuana a couple times but It wasn't really noticeable during the trip. I noticed the Vitamin C burst and serotonin replenishment of fruit to be extremely refreshing, though the sensation of eating felt a little strange. My friend almost entirely lost his appetite. Eventually we went back into town to go to a store before it closed and meet up with a friend. We swung on some swings at our old middle school at told him about our experience. And there really isn't much more too it than that.

So again, my conclusion is that man-made chemicals can not compare to the sacred and majesty of things that originate in nature. Such as LSD, mescaline, and mushrooms [both psilocybins and the amanita] as nyxjz already stated. Some would argue that LSD is man-made, it is not. LSD is found in the fungus ergot and extracted (as well LSA is extracted from morning glory seeds). In this way I also accept DMT as natural, as it is produced in the brain, and almost every plant. There are many more wonderful psychedelic chemicals that come strait out of the earth. Alexander Shulgin himself admitted every time he created a new chemical that he could not top mescaline (which was his main role model).

But also I'm glad what VossistArts said about people doing psychedelics. To add; Many people are too disturbed to bring their subconscious to the surface and be it in a good way. What happens is they see themselves and they are terrified of what they see. They see what they think and they see what they do and they are disgusted. They are presented with the reality of the noisy asphalt death that is our living condition.

[Ron-the-Elder]

During the 1950's I had an uncle who was a Captain in The U.S. Airforce who was working with several chemical countermeasures organizations using many of the synthesized drugs you mentioned and many you did not mention who left work, went to the nearest pay telephone, called his wife, and then shot himself through the roof of his head with his forty-five. He left his wife and three daughters behind.

The some that have adverse reactions to such drugs aren't limited purely to the "weak-minded", but affect everyone who has a brain and a nervous system, that is why The U.S. Gov. spent so many millions of dollars developing their use in military applications. Imagine leaving the water supply of a town to the occupying armies of an invading force with a few pounds of your designer drug. How easy would it be for the opposing force to return to neutralize (kill) them when they are in the mental state you experienced.

Others who have experienced use of psychedelic drugs decide that they have extraordinary powers, such as flying and being able to breathe under water. These delusions are bad enough when you are sober, let alone when your brain is chemically affected by a psychedelic.

Bottom line, the human mind is delusional enough without introducing chemical compounds which make it prone to more delusions.

[Michael]

Anyone would be very ill-advised to use psychotropic drugs recreationally.
I know several people who were permanently damaged by the use of LSD.

Two critical factors are context and intent. Both of these have a profound influence on the experiences of the user.

The Church of Santo Diame uses ayahuaska, a psychotropic drug extensively used by the indigenous peoples of South America for spiritual, medical, psychological and educational purposes, sacramentally. The Church is legal in Brazil, North America, Holland and, I believe, Spain and Italy. During their ceremonies the effects are channeled into music and songs. One of the effects of prolonged use of ayahuaska in this context is the natural weaning of addictive behaviour.

Psychotropic drugs can be used to induce very specific states of mind. The Vikings used the fly agaric mushroom - red top with white spots and associated with leprechauns - in combination with aspen and other substances, to induce battle frenzy.

Most indigenous peoples appear to have used psychotropic substances for one purpose or another from the earliest times, and they continue to use them today.

Psychotropics are just one means mankind has used to expand his consciousness. Music, dancing, mantras, pain, hunger, physical stress, sensory deprivation, meditation (in other words, various modes of sensory overload or deprivation), are all used to stimulate the body to produce chemicals that alter consciousness.

Personally I have used a wide range of drugs and other means to bring about altered states.

The most profound experience was with shamanic ayahuaska which required strict dieting before use. The next most significant experience was induced during a Lakota type sweat. This was very vivid and discursive and involved no drugs of any kind.

My experience with LSD proved interesting in the long run. On one 'trip' I saw a Tibetan style mandala. Because of its design I dubbed it The Gated City. Some 30 years later I see the mandala in a book. It is called the Kalachakra and is one of the principle Tibetan Mandalas.

Altered states are used extensively in the field of trans-personal analysis - rapid breathing in conjunction with loud music is one method used.

Basically, the body is the world's greatest pharmacopeia. It produces its own psychotropics subject to certain behaviours. Every spiritual state is an altered states of consciousness.

[Gelatinous Pope]

Ah yes, Ayahuasca. I participated in this during my trip in Peru. I quit drinking alcohol after what Ayahuasca showed me. I'll still join in on some home-brews of mead or wine (or Chicha, delicious corn-beer or Peru) at social gatherings, but never again the horrid store-bought.

[Michael]

Ah yes, Ayahuasca. I participated in this during my trip in Peru. I quit drinking alcohol after what Ayahuasca showed me. I'll still join in on some home-brews of mead or wine (or Chicha, delicious corn-beer or Peru) at social gatherings, but never again the horrid store-bought.

Yes, ayahausca does not approve of alcohol.

[Gelatinous Pope]

A few nights ago, in a dream, nine happy looking Amanita mushrooms (more specifically, muscaria) presented themselves to me in a place I recognized as not too far from where I sleep. The following morning, I ventured out to the place in the dream. The previous couple days had been quite rainy, and in the middle of October in this northwestern rain-forest, that's good conditions for the Amanita to grow. Sure enough, they had grown exactly where they showed me in the dream. And they were particularly large. Around the area I found more like 50-60 of these mushrooms, but the nine in the dream felt to have some significance. So I picked nine of the healthiest, most delectable looking mushrooms. Over the past couple days I've been drying them. I started drying them in an electric oven because that was the only choice at the time (though this is not at all the best method,) and I didn't want them to mold if I just let them sit around. Now I've got ahold of my mother's fruit dehydrator and that has proven to be the superior drying tool.

When the time is right, my companion and myself will journey up the mountain, and eat these majestic morsels or fungus. Part of me already knows I won't want to come back, but maybe that's just my own aversion/attachment.

http://www.erowid.org/plants/amanitas/amanitas.shtml

[francis]

A few nights ago, in a dream, nine happy looking Amanita mushrooms (more specifically, muscaria) presented themselves to me in a place I recognized as not too far from where I sleep. The following morning, I ventured out to the place in the dream. The previous couple days had been quite rainy, and in the middle of October in this northwestern rain-forest, that's good conditions for the Amanita to grow. Sure enough, they had grown exactly where they showed me in the dream. And they were particularly large. Around the area I found more like 50-60 of these mushrooms, but the nine in the dream felt to have some significance. So I picked nine of the healthiest, most delectable looking mushrooms. Over the past couple days I've been drying them. I started drying them in an electric oven because that was the only choice at the time (though this is not at all the best method,) and I didn't want them to mold if I just let them sit around. Now I've got ahold of my mother's fruit dehydrator and that has proven to be the superior drying tool.

When the time is right, my companion and myself will journey up the mountain, and eat these majestic morsels or fungus. Part of me already knows I won't want to come back, but maybe that's just my own aversion/attachment.

http://www.erowid.org/plants/amanitas/amanitas.shtml

As Frank Zappa once sang:

“Nanook-a, no no (no no . . . )
Don't be a naughty Eskimo-wo-oh
Watch out where the huskies go
and don't you eat that yellow snow.”

The moral of the story being that it is necessary to destroy the extremely toxic compounds in these mushrooms, before ingestion. Trust me I’m a mycologist. Cheers.

[Gelatinous Pope]

Whoah, you're a mycologist? That is totally awesome! Lately I've been reading Mycelium Running by Paul Stamets.

"Sensitive mycelial membranes act as a collective fungal consciousness. As mycelia's metabolism surges they emit attractants, imparting sweet fragrances to the forest and connecting ecosystems and their species with scent trails. Like a matrix, a biomolecular superhighway, the mycelium is in constant dialogue with its environment reacting to and governing the flow of essential nutrients cycling through the food chain."

I've actually met the guy a couple times. I have tremendous enthusiasm for mushrooms. I would love to go to school to study mycology, but lately I've discovered my deepest passion to be massage.

[Gelatinous Pope]

Some would argue that LSD is man-made, it is not. LSD is found in the fungus ergot...

Nope, I was wrong. Somehow I was under the impression that LSD is naturally occuring in ergot. That's false, ergot contains LSA and LSD is synthesized from that.

Does anybody else have experiences with psychedelics they'd like to share? I'd like to read.