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vicente
7th August 2009, 12:08 AM
I teared-up quite abit as this story unfolded,...there was something so marvellous about it. Did you see the film of Bill Clinton welcoming the journalists aboard Bing's BBJ ( http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2009/08/06/330651/business-aviation-shines-on-freedom-flight.html ), then turn to the North Koreans with a wave, his hand to his heart, and a salute,...I'd bet every Korean felt he personally saluted them. Clinton fully meant each gesture.

I never cared much for Clinton (usually too christian for my tastes), but I warmed up to him more last year when I heard him say, "we make a terrible mistake believing that we have to find something wrong with people we don't vote for."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U08fA93lpEk

Anyway,...maybe Steve Bing will produce a movie about the ordeal.

Journalists Released

By ROBERT JABLON, Associated Press Writer Robert Jablon, Associated Press

BURBANK, Calif. Two American journalists held captive in North Korea since March endured meals of rice with rocks, more than four months of isolation and the constant fear they would be sent to a gulag.

Facing sentences of 12 years hard labor, they were allowed only sporadic contact with each other, let alone the outside world. Then, suddenly this week, they were brought into a meeting with none other than Bill Clinton, who helped win their release and flew home with them for a tearful reunion with their families.

"We could feel your love all the way in North Korea," an emotional Laura Ling said. "It is what kept us going in the darkest of hours and it is what sustained our faith that we would come home."

Ling and Euna Lee sobbed and embraced their husbands and Lee's 4-year-old daughter, Hana, in the sleek hangar of a Burbank airport after a 9 1/2-hour flight from Japan. It was the last stop following their release from North Korea after an unusual diplomatic rescue mission headed by the former president.

In a voice shaking with sobs, Ling recalled how their time in captivity came to an abrupt end after she and Lee were summoned to a meeting and found the former president standing there.

"We were shocked but we knew instantly in our hearts that the nightmare of our lives was finally coming to an end, and now we stand here, home and free," she said.

While questions swirled about the delicate negotiating dance that led to their release, Ling only talked about their gratitude to be free and their desire to quietly get reacquainted with their families.

Neither woman offered details of their treatment in North Korea, which has a reputation for a brutal government and has struggled through famine. But Ling's sister later told reporters that her sister was "a little bit weak" and it would take some time for her to gather her wits and speak about her captivity.

Family members found it challenging to hear the few details they have received, she added.
She said the captives saw each other for only a couple days after their detention.

"They actually were kept apart most of the time. ... On the day of their trial, they hugged each other and that was it," Lisa Ling said outside her sister's home in the San Fernando Valley of Los Angeles.

She said the family had four telephone conversations with her sister during her captivity. During one of them, Laura Ling asked them to write to Lee "and tell her that I'm thinking about her and I love her."

Lisa Ling said her sister was craving fresh food and a sushi dinner will be on the agenda soon.

"She's really, really anxious to have fresh fruit and fresh food. ... There were rocks in her rice," Lisa Ling said. "Obviously, it's a country that has a lot of economic problems."

They were held in a guest house and had not yet been sent to the labor camp because of medical concerns, the sister said. Laura Ling suffers from an ulcer, while Lee has lost 15 pounds since being detained. Ling had been seen regularly by a doctor, her sister said.

Ling, 32, and Lee, 36, are reporters for former Vice President Al Gore's San Francisco-based Current TV. They had been working on a story about the trafficking of women when they were arrested in March, and sentenced to 12 years of hard labor for illegally entering North Korea. The pair were granted a pardon Tuesday, following talks between Clinton and North Korea leader Kim Jong Il.

They arrived at Bob Hope Airport at dawn aboard a Boeing jet owned by Steve Bing, a multimillion-dollar film producer, friend of Clinton's and contributor to Democratic causes.

Lee, who emerged first, wept and hugged her daughter, held her hands as she talked to her and then scooped her up. Both were crushed in an embrace from her husband, Michael Saldate.
Ling threw up her arms in joy before descending the plane's stairs and embracing her husband.

"Thirty hours ago, Euna Lee and I were prisoners in North Korea," she said in prepared remarks on behalf of both women. "We feared that any moment we could be sent to a hard labor camp."


Clinton was hugged by Gore as he stepped off the plane. He didn't speak, but his office later issued a statement saying he was happy the long ordeal was over.

"Hana's been a great girl while you were gone," Gore told Lee. "And Laura, your mom's been making your special soup for two days now."

He also thanked the State Department for its help in the release.
"It speaks well of our country that when two American citizens are in harm's way, that so many people will just put things aside and just go to work to make sure that this has had a happy ending," he said.

The release amounted to a successful diplomatic foray for the former president, who traveled as an unofficial envoy, with approval and coordination from the administration of President Barack Obama. The visit to Pyongyang came at a time of heightened tensions over North Korea's nuclear program.

The meeting appeared aimed at dispelling persistent questions about the health of the authoritarian North Korean leader, who was said to be suffering from chronic diabetes and heart disease before reportedly suffering a stroke last August. It was Kim's first meeting with a prominent Western figure since the reported stroke.


Ling's sister said her family "had a sense that the government had agreed to send President Clinton" but didn't know whether the release was predetermined before his arrival.

White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said Clinton will brief Obama's national security team on what transpired in Pyongyang.

Vicente
http://spiritweb.ning.com/group/theshortpath

schrodinger
7th August 2009, 02:20 PM
I teared-up quite abit as this story unfolded,...there was something so marvellous about it. Did you see the film of Bill Clinton welcoming the journalists aboard Bing's BBJ ( http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2009/08/06/330651/business-aviation-shines-on-freedom-flight.html ), then turn to the North Koreans with a wave, his hand to his heart, and a salute,...I'd bet every Korean felt he personally saluted them. Clinton fully meant each gesture.

I never cared much for Clinton (usually too christian for my tastes), but I warmed up to him more last year when I heard him say, "we make a terrible mistake believing that we have to find something wrong with people we don't vote for."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U08fA93lpEk

Anyway,...maybe Steve Bing will produce a movie about the ordeal.



White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said Clinton will brief Obama's national security team on what transpired in Pyongyang.




What’s to get teary-eyed about? This was a well planned political and public relations stunt. The two journalists were working for none other than Al Gore. How did they end up “accidentally” crossing the border into North Korea? It isn’t as if the border is not clearly demarcated where they were filming. There are two rivers that clearly separate China from North Korea; the Tumen and the Yalu rivers and you don’t “accidentally” cross a river! Doh!

Why were only these two arrested and not the entire film crew and guides? How were they able to phone home several times and specifically confirm that they will be released only if Clinton comes to NK?

Then the two employees of Al Gore are subsequently “rescued” by none other than a waving and saluting Bill Clinton! Saluting the most repressive regime on the planet. A regime that spends most of its resources on producing atomic weapons while its people literally starve.

I just wonder who will get the book and movie rights?

Excuse me while I wipe the tears out of my eyes. (sniff*sniff)

kris
9th August 2009, 09:32 PM
The so-called physical world is not real,...its a dream-projection-illusion.
Vicente, this what you wrote in More than One Atheism (http://www.thebigview.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3746&page=2). These two women were locked up in a prison that is a dream-projection-illusion, in a country that is a dream-projection-illusion in a world that is a dream-projection-illusion. Why get teary-eyed over what is a dream-projection-illusion?

schrodinger
9th August 2009, 09:39 PM
Vicente, this what you wrote in More than One Atheism (http://www.thebigview.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3746&page=2). These two women were locked up in a prison that is a dream-projection-illusion, in a country that is a dream-projection-illusion in a world that is a dream-projection-illusion. Why get teary-eyed over what is a dream-projection-illusion?

Forgive me for answering this question which was not directed at me, but I dreamed that it was. You see, the tears and the eyes are also dream-projected-illusions! Simple, isn't it?

However, if everything is a dream-projected-illusion, then everything is as real as anything else. Ooops! Back to square one.:lol:

I really must stop having these bad dreams.

kris
9th August 2009, 09:44 PM
Happy dreaming! :lol:

Michael
13th August 2009, 07:14 AM
Vicente, this what you wrote in More than One Atheism (http://www.thebigview.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3746&page=2). These two women were locked up in a prison that is a dream-projection-illusion, in a country that is a dream-projection-illusion in a world that is a dream-projection-illusion. Why get teary-eyed over what is a dream-projection-illusion?


Whatever our grief
There is an emptiness behind it
As though that for which we grieve
Has no place for grief in us

kris
13th August 2009, 10:41 AM
Whatever our grief
There is an emptiness behind it
As though that for which we grieve
Has no place for grief in us
Really? Michael, that's not how I see it. My grief is real; my joy is real. I prefer joy to grief. I don't see life as emptyness. I feel the fullness of life in all my being. We can learn to deal with grief. We can learn to prevent suffering that brings about grief. We can learn to create joy. This is my outlook on life. Once we understand life, it is easy to see its fullness. I think pessimism results from ignorance of the nature of life.

vicente
14th August 2009, 09:37 AM
Vicente, this what you wrote in More than One Atheism (http://www.thebigview.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3746&page=2). These two women were locked up in a prison that is a dream-projection-illusion, in a country that is a dream-projection-illusion in a world that is a dream-projection-illusion. Why get teary-eyed over what is a dream-projection-illusion?


Tears? Perhaps the bigger picture of people working together. Love, enlightenment, real joy (distinct from useless joy/useless happiness), only wait on welcome.

How often do people welcome peace? Not peace on their terms,...but unconditionally welcome peace? Perhaps there were not a 100% welcoming by all sides in Korea,...but there was a fragrance, albeit faint for the "talking heads."

Know belief, no peace; Gnow Peace, no belief,...or, those who know usually do not gnow.

Did Buddha never cry,...never smile? I don't know. However, from my observations one can cry or smile without being attached to good or bad, hope or fear.

Vicente

kris
15th August 2009, 10:03 AM
What in heck are you saying? I don't get a word of it. But that's ok, so long as you gnow what you are saying.

vicente
15th August 2009, 10:48 AM
What in heck are you saying? I don't get a word of it. But that's ok, so long as you gnow what you are saying.

Most are on the Long Path (knowledge) while about .04% are on the Short Path (gnowledge)

Knowledge is associated with scientia, or science, which is: 1. to perceive through the senses; comprehend through the intellect; divided psyche. 2. to experience through the intellect or memory, something as fact. 3. to be acquainted with or have a practical understanding of, as through sensory experience; to know how to cook. 4. to comprehend noologically, through intellect-based thought.


Knowledge is the inverse of what I term gnowledge or sapience, which comes from sapientia, that is: 1. to understand directly through metasensory awareness; comprehend through the heart of essence; undivided thymos. 2. to experience without predisposition something as fact. 3. to be acquainted with or have Gnostic understanding of, as through metasensory experience; to have gnosis of love. 4. to comprehend ontosophically, through wisdom/gnosis. I mean by this term the gnosis that Siddhartha Gautama implied when he purportedly said, "Be a lamp unto yourself."

JV Marco
http://spiritweb.ning.com/group/theshortpath

kris
15th August 2009, 10:53 PM
Most are on the Long Path (knowledge) while about .04% are on the Short Path (gnowledge)I think you need to take a second look at this thread (http://www.thebigview.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3725).

Knowledge is the inverse of what I term gnowledge or sapience, which comes from sapientia, that is: 1. to understand directly through metasensory awareness; comprehend through the heart of essence; undivided thymos. 2. to experience without predisposition something as fact. 3. to be acquainted with or have Gnostic understanding of, as through metasensory experience; to have gnosis of love. 4. to comprehend ontosophically, through wisdom/gnosis. I mean by this term the gnosis that Siddhartha Gautama implied when he purportedly said, "Be a lamp unto yourself."
If you think knowledge is the inverse of wisdom, then you keep your 'gnowledge' to yourself. I see no use for it.

vicente
16th August 2009, 11:29 AM
I think you need to take a second look at this thread (http://www.thebigview.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3725).

If you think knowledge is the inverse of wisdom, then you keep your 'gnowledge' to yourself. I see no use for it.

No,...I don't think knowledge is the inverse of wisdom,...it is the inverse of wisdom.

All knowledge is in and acquired through the past. You cannot "think" in the present. Of course, considering what Gurdjeiff called Five of Twenty of Twenty ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institute_for_the_Harmonious_Development_of_Man )
that is, that more than 99% of people will likely never wake-up, interest in the subject of absolute truth is rare. However, I pop in here occassionally in case some Short Pathers happen by.

Neo: What truth?
Morpheus: That you are a slave, Neo. Like everyone else, you were born into bondage, born inside a prison that you cannot smell, taste, or touch. A prison for your mind. (long pause, sighs) Unfortunately, no one can be told what the Matrix is. You have to see it for yourself. This is your last chance. After this, there is no turning back.
(In his left hand, Morpheus shows a blue pill.)

Morpheus: You take the blue pill and the story ends. You wake in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. (a red pill is shown in his other hand) You take the red pill and you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit-hole goes. (Long pause; Neo begins to reach for the red pill) Remember -- all I am offering is the truth, nothing more.

Vicente

brother alan
16th August 2009, 08:55 PM
I never cared much for Clinton (usually too christian for my tastes),
hey! hey! careful where you shine that enlightenment, bro: i'm gonna be seeing spots for a week. :shakehead: and gee thanks for disillusioning me about the whole eastern mysticism/higher consciousness thing. now what am i sposed to do, face reality? :reallysad:

kris
16th August 2009, 09:53 PM
No,...I don't think knowledge is the inverse of wisdom,...it is the inverse of wisdom.

All knowledge is in and acquired through the past. You cannot "think" in the present.

What a bunch of hooey!

schrodinger
16th August 2009, 11:36 PM
hey! hey! careful where you shine that enlightenment, bro: i'm gonna be seeing spots for a week. :shakehead: and gee thanks for disillusioning me about the whole eastern mysticism/higher consciousness thing. now what am i sposed to do, face reality? :reallysad:


If I understand Vicente correctly, you are supposed to take a red pill. But then again, when have I ever understood Vicente correctly?

Red fish, Blue fish
One fish, two fish