Awareness of Being

[scameter]

Ignore any ties with Christianity I may have for this topic please.

For quite a long time, I am unsure of the precise length of time, I have been having what seems to me when they occur "spiritual" experiences. They are somewhat difficult to describe, but I can try. They vary in degree, but they are essentially that I feel a sense of "zooming out", in a sense, from my specific limited experience point within this head, and I truly realize that I exist and am here, that I "be". It is a conscious thought recognition, which really only happens when I am not particularly thinking or feeling anything with much focus, even if my body is doing something; for instance, it often happens if I'm waiting in line somewhere, or laying down before going to sleep in bed, though it can also happen if I'm urinating, eating, etc. It's more about my mind than body whether it happens or not. But, recently, I had a degree of this experience that I have never had before, the most potent yet.
I was laying in bed, I think I was reading at the time or at least had a book about to read, before going to sleep, and I suddenly had the thought that I exist, and I... hm, it's difficult to describe. :P I felt like that I could truly *see* my being, that I truly realized and was aware of it. But, it was also somewhat scary; I was afraid I was going to leave my body, so I pulled away. It was amazing, breathtaking, to say the least, but I can't explain it. I'm really hoping that my friends here will help me with this. It is incredibly important to me. :)

[Patheya]

:) Welcome sleeping brother.


Notice that the only way to experience being, in this way, is when the mind is quiet. This is the 'point' to mindfulness.

The mindfulness becomes awareness and gratitude, because the more you are - the more you 'be' - the more you see the interdependency of all -

Some call it the holy fire - don't get caught up in terms - all religions, paths have their own terminology for it.

The most simple description these days, of the experience, is The Power of Now by Eckhart Tolle. He writes simply, clearly, with no fuss and is pretty full on.

Blessings

[scameter]

Greetings. :) Thank you for your reply. And, to affirm what you said, the more that my mind has developed the awareness of being, the more that I have been conscious of my actions and their influence on the interdependant things in life, as well as the interdependancy of things themselves.

[Patheya]

Yes.

I guess, the one thing I feel urged to write, if you're on this path, is try not to 'know' anything. Its a strange limbo land.

It seems to me, that in this state, things become 'apparent', and we feel so sure of something, but given a bit of time, it changes and something else, a deeper understanding comes along.

I think, honestly, that religions have often been created a bit too precipitously when people have had similar experiences - and instead of staying 'in the moment', they start making rules and rituals and dogma and then bang bang we're all falling over.

Remember, as far as we know, Jesus never made a 'church'. He never said gather as much gold as you can and fight everyone until they believe. It was the half believers who did that. They kind of got it, but didn't walk their talk.

Big ego got in the way.

Keep a sharp sword handy if you see it raise its ugly head,

love

[Trevor]

The brain is having a multitude of conversations between the different areas whether we are conscious of them or, as in your case scameter, are conscious of them.
If, as I believe, we are spirits having a human experience, it is not unimaginable that the spirit picks up on all of these conversations that are happening in our physical minds, and understands them all whether or not they are considered conscious or unconscious.

[scameter]

To Patheya: For one, I think you're confusing knowledge with belief. I do not like spiritual beliefs, because to me, belief is something about either the past or the future, or conceptual ideas, to any length, that based on your own reason you believe to be accurate, but I do not think that belief is about this moment, which is where spirituality lies; nor do I think belief can ever be certain. However, I think that knowledge, on the other hand, is either the result of personal experience, or the possibility of direct experience (i.e., someone experiencing something and telling you about it, such as in science, can be knowledge rather than belief is you could experience it too), which is where spirituality lies. And it is precisely why I cannot believe in a living, personal God of the moment, because I have never experienced that type of deity. But, as I said, this topic is apart from ties with Christianity I had in the past, and so why you brought it up I am uncertain.

To Trevor: Hm. I think there is an issue there though worth discussion. You say that you believe we are spirits having human experiences, but many would believe just the opposite. What makes you prefer your side?