Requesting a new forum

[bito]

Would it be possible Thomas, to create a new forum that is unmoderated? This way, those who desire moderated forums will be happy, and those who desire an unmoderated forum will also be happy. This addition of this new forum could be on an on-trial basis for a certain period of time, with perhaps a vote from the members at the conclusion of the time period as to whether or not to continue its existence?

Win/win?

:)

[Squirrels Gone Wild]

Would it be possible Thomas, to create a new forum that is unmoderated? This way, those who desire moderated forums will be happy, and those who desire an unmoderated forum will also be happy. This addition of this new forum could be on an on-trial basis for a certain period of time, with perhaps a vote from the members at the conclusion of the time period as to whether or not to continue its existence?

Win/win?

:)

I'm curious. Being new here maybe I missed something in the past, but why would someone want an unmoderated forum?

[bito]

I'm curious. Being new here maybe I missed something in the past, but why would someone want an unmoderated forum?

Why would someone not want one unmoderated (spontaneous) forum amongst many moderated (regulated) forums? :)

[Squirrels Gone Wild]

Why would someone not want one unmoderated (spontaneous) forum amongst many moderated (regulated) forums? :)

I'm not sure, unless one wants to talk dirty. :naughty:

[bito]

I'm not sure, unless one wants to talk dirty. :naughty:

:lol:

In an unmoderated forum, we could use smilies only. :applause: Or poetry only. Or stories only. A heart forum, rather than a head forum. For example, rather than talking about the 'nondual I', one can write as the 'nondual I'. A forum for experiencing transformation, rather than for expressing translation.

[Squirrels Gone Wild]

:lol:

In an unmoderated forum, we could use smilies only. :applause: Or poetry only. Or stories only. A heart forum, rather than a head forum. For example, rather than talking about the 'nondual I', one can write as the 'nondual I'. A forum for experiencing transformation, rather than for expressing translation.

I'm not that sophisticated, so I don't know what I'd do in such a forum.

:shakehead:

[bito]

I'm not that sophisticated, so I don't know what I'd do in such a forum.

:shakehead:

When fear of being censored/moderated/regulated is absent, writing from the heart is as simple as breathing.

A disclaimer at the top of this new forum: NO SOPHISTICATION ALLOWED! :D

:)

[Ryker]

When fear of being censored/moderated/regulated is absent, writing from the heart is as simple as breathing.Unfortunately so is ill-will & rude remarks. The problem with the absence of moderation is that people can & will eventually start flame-wars with each other.

But I suppose that the benefits of an unmoderated forum could outweigh its cons. What the Hell, I'm in. :P

[Taeguk]

Everyone is free to post poetry, stories, etc. in any of the forums already, and I'm not sure why a truly "nondual I" should be "afraid" of anything---certainly not the presence of moderators on an online forum! :unsure: Also, there's certainly no rule against spontaneity, so long as said spontaneity doesn't disrupt the flow of discussion. I would imagine that the vast majority of posts here are fairly "spontaneous".

But in any case, I don't have a problem with there being a such a forum, although it's up to Thomas to decide. My guess is that Thomas will probably consider creating an "anything goes" forum, although he will probably continue to enforce moderation to avoid spam, flaming, etc.

[Thomas Knierim]

An unmoderated forum without rules sounds like a good idea at first.

But on second thought, such a forum would invite exactly what this board seeks to prevent, namely flames, noise, and possibly even abuse. What is more, I am afraid that it would lead to clique building and that soon everyone with a specific interest or a specific communication style would request a forum. :lol:

Thebigview.com invites spontaneity, poetry, and spirited discussion, none of this is discouraged. But spontaneity is different from being noisy or chatty. Being noisy and chatty may be spontaneous, but it is not the essence of spontaneity.

Smiley-only postings are noisy. So are one-worders, one-liners, and thoughtless postings. Nobody wants to rummage through a heap of thoughtless postings every day.

We want to keep the discussion at a high level out of respect for our members. The time that people spent on this board is valuable. Thebigview.com should offer something valuable in return.

Cheers, Thomas

[bito]

Clearly I am spitting into the wind. Can't blame a girl for trying. :)

[Taeguk]

why don't you create your own forum

there are free platforms available...

as a general rule i find it is better to set one's will to being for something rather than against something

rather than changing this enviroment to suit you

create your ideal yourself


I think that's great advice :thumbsup:

Here's some free forum software you can use:

http://forum5.com/

http://excoboard.com/

http://www.phpbb.com/

And there are many others out there as well...

[sahyo]

Thebigview.com invites spontaneity, poetry, and spirited discussion, none of this is discouraged. But spontaneity is different from being noisy or chatty. Being noisy and chatty may be spontaneous, but it is not the essence of spontaneity.

Smiley-only postings are noisy. So are one-worders, one-liners, and thoughtless postings. Nobody wants to rummage through a heap of thoughtless postings every day.

We want to keep the discussion at a high level out of respect for our members. The time that people spent on this board is valuable. Thebigview.com should offer something valuable in return.

that is a fabrication to excuse attemting contolling which some people are uncomfortable with, so fear attaching to the comfort of intellectual discussing can remain comforted

[sahyo]

create your ideal yourself

bito wasn't requesting "ideal"

[sahyo]

Being without a script - this is freedom, this is truth, this is loving.

bito

[Ryker]

that is a fabrication to excuse attemting contolling which some people are uncomfortable with, so fear attaching to the comfort of intellectual discussing can remain comfortedNot if you want a decent site. It's not just about banning one-worders & smiley-only posts for the sake of members, it's also about doing it for the sake of the website itself. I think the Google page-ratings might go down quite a bit when all you have is useless information. :lol:

If people are uncomfortable with a controlled environment, why are they on the Internet? :P

[Ryker]

it is also about having a site where people want to post :)Well, I certainly want to post here. Who doesn't really? :lol:

[Taeguk]

fear attaching to the comfort of intellectual discussing can remain comforted

As opposed to "fear attaching to the comfort of smiley-posting can remain comforted" :unsure: ? We could go back and forth here, sahyo.

If you have a problem here, state it openly and clearly so it can be addressed, and if you don't like the way it's been addressed or you don't like the way this board is conducted in general, then why stay here?

As psyche points out, you can create your own forum, for free, without moderation, with any rules you like or without any rules whatsoever, if that's what you want.

[sahyo]

then why stay here?

'why' is imagined

[Taeguk]

sahyo.'why' is imagined

*ahem*:

http://www.lioncity.net/buddhism/style_emoticons/Default2/beatingdeadhorse.gif

Oh well. Good luck with that, sahyo. :)

[sahyo]

sahyo.

*ahem*:

http://www.lioncity.net/buddhism/style_emoticons/Default2/beatingdeadhorse.gif




:lol:

you asked why

[bito]

psyche: it is also about having a site where people want to post

people with different points of view


Obviously not all points of view, or all points of view would be represented.


i think a 'transformation forum' is a great idea

but trying to make this site into a 'transformation forum' is not the best idea

and it isn't fair to expect thomas to provide that

that would be demading

There was no demanding for any 'type' of forum. This is your thinking 'demanding' that is being displayed. Nor were there any expectations that Thomas provide any 'type' of forum. Again, this is your translation, not my meaning.

As for transformation, this is happening whether it is 'formalized' into a stand-alone forum or not. The only difference between moderated and spontaneous transformation, is that the latter is faster and more intense. The moderated version is akin to strolling around the fire's circumference and feeling the gentle heat of the flames; the spontaneous version is akin to stepping directly into the fire's white-hot center.

What I was requesting was not a exclusion of the slower path, but an inclusion of the faster path. And yes, I could start my own 'transformation' forum, but this is not the point. What I am challenging is the fear of thought, here, at TBV.

No matter how one rationalizes the moderating of thought or justifies the moderating of thought, the bottom line is that fear is at the center of this need to moderate. As if we are children that need to be led here and there by Wiser Big Brother or Wiser Big Sister so as not to be disturbed or upset by the Bogey Man of Thought.

How can say we love or that we are love if we believe thought has real power to irritate or disturb or wound our being? Is that not the core message of all wisdom teachings?

[bito]

*goes to cpu to add to ignore list*

Poof! Instant transcendence! :D

[bito]

“You don't need to leave your room...
Remain sitting at your table and listen. Do not even listen, simply wait. Do not even wait, be quite still and solitary. The world will freely offer itself to you to be unmasked. It has no choice. It will roll in ecstasy at your feet.” ~ kafka

A moderated world rolling in ecstasy? :lol:

[sahyo]

yes you are expecting and no it is not my interpretation

bito posted requesting, not "expecting"

here at TBV you may make your attempts at anything

on tbv, some human fearing attempts controlling through accusing when not comform to comofort sought through discussing, justifying attempting controlling through labeling, deleting posts which challenge, creating rules for attempting penalizing

fear attempting controlling can attempt masking with accusations, labels, rules, but is obvious anyway

some human fearing not listening bito posts but looking for reasons to avoid (ignore) through accusing

[bito]

I requested one unmoderated forum and addressed Thomas only. Thomas responded and declined my request. No problem.

Suggestions were made by the Super Moderators to start my own forum. Also, no problem.

Then, sarcasm from psyche. Not in just one post, but many. To the extent of creating a thread that clearly is meant to mock my original, genuine request.

Frequent use of sarcasm is allowed, but not one-liners and smilies.

:rolleyes:

[Taeguk]

Then, sarcasm from psyche. Not in just one post, but many. To the extent of creating a thread that clearly is meant to mock my original, genuine request.

With all respect, bito, I find it downright hypocritical of you and sahyo to frequently dismiss the feelings of others as merely "thinking _______ is occuring", yet when you feel you have been slighted, you always have insight into what is actually occuring. You have no problem pronouncing other people as having "delusions" or being "trapped in thought", yet the moment you express similiar feelings, these are somehow based not on delusion but on a genuine experience of reality. Funny how that works.

My response to you here is that you are merely thinking sarcasm is occuring. :)

In all seriousness, I haven't perceived any kind of sarcasm or mocking coming from psyche, at least not when it comes to creating that thread. I could, of course, be wrong. Why don't you address the matter in a private message to psyche, or better yet, use the thread for the purposes of "transformation", if that's what you really want? Even if the thread was made with malicious intent (and I don't think it was), who cares? Why not use it?

In any case, since you don't seem interested in the thread in question, I'm going to delete it. If, as I suspect, psyche was being serious in creating the thread, and you want to actually utilize it, somebody can re-create it.

[sahyo]

I find it downright hypocritical of you and sahyo to frequently dismiss the feelings of others as merely "thinking _______ is occuring",

feelings were being "dismissed"?

does thinking feelings were being dismissed comfort?

does accusing comfort?

yet when you feel you have been slighted, you always have insight into what is actually occuring.

"slighted"?

does labling "slighted" comfort?

You have no problem pronouncing other people as having "delusions" or being "trapped in thought"

please post quote stating "people as having "delusions"", "trapped in thought"

not possible people "having delusions" "trapped in thought"

yet the moment you express similiar feelings, these are somehow based not on delusion but on a genuine experience of reality.

what "similar feelings"?

[Smurf]

I think you should close this topic now

argumentum ad hominem...

not nice

[Smurf]

(Mine should be =S)