Talking

[sahyo]

And then a scholar said, "Speak of Talking."

And he answered, saying:

You talk when you cease to be at peace with your thoughts;

And when you can no longer dwell in the solitude of your heart you live in your lips, and sound is a diversion and a pastime.

And in much of your talking, thinking is half murdered.

For thought is a bird of space, that in a cage of words many indeed unfold its wings but cannot fly.

There are those among you who seek the talkative through fear of being alone.

The silence of aloneness reveals to their eyes their naked selves and they would escape.

And there are those who talk, and without knowledge or forethought reveal a truth which they themselves do not understand.

And there are those who have the truth within them, but they tell it not in words.

In the bosom of such as these the spirit dwells in rhythmic silence.

When you meet your friend on the roadside or in the market place, let the spirit in you move your lips and direct your tongue.

Let the voice within your voice speak to the ear of his ear;

For his soul will keep the truth of your heart as the taste of the wine is remembered

When the colour is forgotten and the vessel is no more.


Kahlil Gibran

[sahyo]

:lol:

[Taeguk]

Arrows shot at a target:
Hit and miss! Right and wrong!
That is what men call "judgement", "decision".
Their pronouncements as final as Treaties
Between Emperors!
O, they make their point!
Yet their arguments fall faster and feebler
Then dead leaves in autumn and winter.
Their talk flows out like piss,
Never to be recovered.
They stand at last
Blocked
Bound
Gagged
Choked up
Like old drain-pipes
The mind fails. It shall not see Light again.


The Tao that can be spoken of
Is not the Eternal Tao

The Name
That can be Named
Is not
The Eternal Name


He who talks, doesn't know
He who knows, doesn't talk

...

The wise do not need to prove their point
Those who need to prove their point, are not wise

There are many speeches saying how what is truly worth saying, can't be spoken! :lol:

So many words to the effect that words are inadequate!

Yet here we are, on a message forum, posting words. Our own words. Other people's words. <_<

Why? :think:


The purpose of a fish trap is to catch fish. When the fish are caught, the trap is forgotten.

The purpose of a rabbit snare is to catch rabbits. When the rabbits are caught, the snare is discarded.

The purpose of words is to reveal truth. When the truth is understood, the words are forgotten.

Where is one who has forgotten words? It is to this person I should like to speak!

[sahyo]

:)



There is some kiss we want
with our whole lives,
the touch of Spirit on the body.

Seawater begs the pearl
to break its shell.

And the lily, how passionately
it needs some wild Darling!

At night, I open the window
and ask the moon to come
and press its face against mine.

Breathe into me.

Close the language-door,
and open the love-window

The moon won't use the door,
only the window.


Rumi

[Taeguk]

asheera, you quoted the Sufi Rumi, who said:


There is some kiss we want
with our whole lives,
the touch of Spirit on the body.

Divine love, the "the love that moves the sun and other stars" to borrow psyche's signature. :)


Male:

Hai khoobsurat yeh pal, sab kuch raha hai badal

Sapne haqeeqat mein jo dhal rahe hai

Kya sadiyon se puraana hai rishtaa yeh hamaara

Ke jis tarha tumse hum mil rahe hai

FEMALE:

Yunhi rahe har dam pyaar ka mausam

Yunhi milo humse tum janam janam

Tere hi rang se yun main to rangeen hoon sanam

Paake tujhe khud se hi kho rahi hoon sanam

O maahiya, ve tere ishq mein haan doobke

Paar main ho rahi hoon sanam

MALE:

Saagar hua pyaasa, raat jagne lagi

Sholo ke dil mein bhi aag jalne lagi





TRANSLATION:

Male:

This moment is beautiful, everything is changing

Dreams are falling into real life

Is this bond of ours centuries old?

For in such a way I am meeting you

Female:

Love's season will remain like this always

Meet me like this, birth after birth


Only with your color am I this colorful, lover

Having gained you, I am losing myself, lover

Oh darling, having drowned in your love

I am becoming the shore, lover

Male:

The ocean has become thirsty, night has begun to awaken

Even in the heart of a flame, fire erupted

[sahyo]

taeguk

from the poem:

Breathe into me.

Close the language-door,
and open the love-window

The moon won't use the door,
only the window.

[scameter]

And he answered, saying

:unsure:

[bito]

There is some kiss we want
with our whole lives,
the touch of Spirit on the body.

we die in this kiss
ecstasy kissing

[sahyo]

:lol:


I would not want all my words
To parade around this world
In pretty costumes,

So I will tell you something
Of the Barroom view of Love.

Love is grabbing hold of the Great Lion's mane
And wrestling and rolling deep into Existence

While the Beloved gets rough
And begins to maul you alive.

True Love, my dear,
Is putting an ironclad grip upon

The soft, swollen balls
Of a Divine Rogue Elephant

And
Not having the good fortune to Die!


Hafiz

[sahyo]

are wanting different than?

[Noway2Zero]

With our thoughts, we make the world - Buhhda
With our words, we make what is not - ???

check this out (http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/14.02/dalai.html)

what reveals itself to me remains a mystery no longer to me alone, if i try to tell anyone else about it they hear mere words

[sahyo]

words "make"?

[sahyo]

;)

[Noway2Zero]

not unless you can 'make what is not'

[Noway2Zero]

;)

[sahyo]

not unless you can 'make what is not'

imagining=make?

[Noway2Zero]

hmm.. can you 'imagine what is not'

be careful..



what are you doing now?

One day Gum Oh Sunim visited Zen Master Man Gong. Upon entering the Master's room he said, "Nothing, nothing. Where is the great Zen Master?"

Man Gong asked, "Why do you cover your eyes?"

Again Gum Oh said, "Nothing, nothing. Where is the great Zen Master?"

Man Gong replied, "You are a liar who hangs around these parts."

Then Gum Oh said, "Master, be careful, be careful. Dont be deceived."

Man Gong smiled and laughed.

[sahyo]

what are you doing now?

question-"imagining=make?"="doing"?

[sahyo]

In Dreamland

"Our schoolmaster used to take a nap every afternoon," related a disciple of Soyen Shaku. "We children asked him why he did it and he told us: 'I go to dreamland to meet the old sages just as Confucius did.' When Confucius slept, he would dream of ancient sages and later tell his followers about them.

"It was extremely hot one day so some of us took a nap. Our schoolmaster scolded us. 'We went to dreamland to meet the ancient sages the same as Confucius did,' we explained. 'What was the message from those sages?' our schoolmaster demanded. One of us replied: 'We went to dreamland and met the sages and asked them if our schoolmaster came there every afternoon, but they said they had never seen any such fellow.'"

[Noway2Zero]

question-"imagining=make?"="doing"?

word = word = words? add words multiply by words and you have words?

:lol:

[sahyo]

:lol:

[Noway2Zero]

let me clarify..

TACKLE PINE NEEDLES, SKI ON THE STAR'S WATER

[sahyo]

:D