Philosophy And Science

[WanderingTaoist]

How are philosophy and science related to each other?

[Starry_Canopy]

Science, as defined till now, deals with the understanding reached using only the right brain (rational thinking). This process of deriving the understanding is of paramount importance to it.

The paramount importance for Philosophy is the truth itself and not the process of arriving at it, which might include non-right brain inputs such as intuition, replicable paranormal experiences etc.

That's, briefly, my way of differentiating between them .... wish to be exposed to other ways also

[Nailles]

People often use philosophy to mean ideology. Philosophy the academic subject is quite different, it requires a great deal of logical argument and rational thought. For instance, philosophy is the subject where `Logic and Critical Thinking' courses are taught.

I think in that sense the only difference between science and philosophy is that science is driven purely by data whereas philosophy allows for logical though unproven conclusions.

[Starry_Canopy]

True, it depends on how philosophy is defined. In the West, especially after Aristotle, its scope has been limited by logic; but not in the earlier traditions of both East and West. Logic was only one of the disciplines required for philosophical inquiries.

That it includes logic is not the issue. The issue is that while any search of truth can't exclude logic, it cannot also be limited by logic. Limiting the search for truth by logic is like limiting the scope of understanding to what a computer software is capable of analysing. The problem is bigger than what the tools devised for simplifying it are capable of each or a set of them handling by themselves exclusively.

[WanderingTaoist]

"One cannot have a logical system of existence. To be a logical system is always for something to be closed; while to exist is to be radically open."

[Michael]

Interesting quote. Who said that?

[scameter]

Personally, I like the answer to this question given by the author (I've forgotten his name) of the book The Story of Philosophy. He said that philosophy, science and the arts are like this: truth is the objective; philosophy is on the front lines towards this, with only it and the truth infront of it; the parts of the truth that philosophy takes in and conquers, in a sense, science then settles, stabilizes, and organizes it; the arts the flourish and live in this settled territory.

[Taeguk]

The issue is that while any search of truth can't exclude logic, it cannot also be limited by logic. Limiting the search for truth by logic is like limiting the scope of understanding to what a computer software is capable of analysing

truth is the objective

"What is truth"?

[Noway2Zero]

"You cant organize Truth, thats like putting water onto a piece of wrapping paper and trying to wrap it up neatly" -Bruce Lee

[Starry_Canopy]

"What is truth"?

Truth is what is

[Taeguk]

psyche and Starry Canopy,

I like your style! Thanks! :thumbsup:

And if truth is the whole of being, what interesting implications for philosophy!

Whatever is, is truth. If you are, the truth is in you, and you are the truth! :)

To think of truth as an object, as something "out there" to be achieved, is to place it ouside your own nature!

Is a philosophic model of the universe the same as the universe where you study that system?

However abstract a system is, the person who invents that system and the person who studies it actually exist, which is far more wonderful than any set of logical syllogisms.

Maybe many philosophers have only been men who dream of less things than there are in heaven and earth (to paraphrase Hamlet). ;)

Should we then "learn philosophy"? Or should we actually be lovers of truth? And can we do both at once? What really is the best way to love the truth?

[sahyo]

if the spoon is stuck in the eye
the mouth is without vision


;)

[Starry_Canopy]

Taeguk

I'm bowled over by your observations :)

This is what I think naturally follows:

to learn about Truth is to be open to learn about everything....

to love the Truth is to love everything

[Taeguk]

Starry Canopy, you wrote:

I'm bowled over by your observations

And I am honored by your compliments! :)

You went on to note:


to learn about Truth is to be open to learn about everything....

to love the Truth is to love everything

And I would agree with you on both of those observations :)

To understand this, and more importantly, to put it into practice, is true, timeless wisdom.

[Starry_Canopy]

Thank you, Taeguk, for taking it forward :)

may I do the same?...

to put it into practice, one needs to become:

as innocent as a child
and as defenceless as a flower

.... who protects the unprotected?

[Starry_Canopy]

The Tao

[Taeguk]

Hi, Starry Canopy!

You wrote:

as innocent as a child
and as defenceless as a flower

.... who protects the unprotected?

The Tao

The Tao is to the ten thousand things
what the shrine is in the home.
It is the treasure of the virtuous
and the protection of the wrongdoer.

Good words are appreciated.
Good deeds are accepted as gifts.

Even the wrongdoers are not abandoned.

:)

[Starry_Canopy]

Thank you, Taeguk