Divine Math

[CSwriter1]

The first person to call himself a philosopher was Pythagoras. He didn't study anything but math, so what does math have to do with knowing truth? His mathematical equations were about nothing but thinking. It was hundreds of years later when it was realized to what degree equations match our physical reality.

Fibonacci was a mathematician in the Middle Ages. His math and the power of 5, falls in the power of regeneration. Mayans speak of 13 powers, the book "A Beginner's Guide to Constructing the Universe" speaks of only 10. My point is to know truth we need to think of numbers differently.

"We now arrive at the mathematical middle of our journey to ten to dwell with the principles symbolized by the number five, which the Greek philosophers called pentad. Beyond the Monad's point, the Dyads line, the Triad's surface and the Tetrad's three-dimensional volume, what remains? The Pentad represents a new level of cosmic design; the introduction of life itself." From "A Beginner's Guide to Constructing the Universe" by Michael S. Schneider.

Rather than thinking in terms of numbers or integers. Think of these things we call numbers, as gods with specific powers, because now you can understand all of life. The Golden Mean comes from math, as stands for more than math.

Historical names of the Golden Mean:
Plato....the section
Euclid... the extreme and mean ratio
Romans...aurea sectio (golden section)
Luca Pacioli... the divine proportion
Christopher Clavius...Godlike proportion
Johannes Kepler..the divine section
Johann F. Lorertz...the continued division
J. Leslie...the medial section
Adolf Zeising...the golden cut
Mark Barr... (I) (phi) a possible correction, the discovery of an ancient document credits Archemedes

Anyway it was through math and then developing sciences, that some came to the belief that by studying nature we can discover God. So my friends if you are serious about philosophy, math should be included in your study. This has everything to do with democracy. The idea that we can know truth and govern ourselves.

[schrodinger]

Anyway it was through math and then developing sciences, that some came to the belief that by studying nature we can discover God. So my friends if you are serious about philosophy, math should be included in your study. This has everything to do with democracy. The idea that we can know truth and govern ourselves. --CSwriter1--

Very true as probably no other notion, except that of a deity, has penetrated into so much of mankind’s life as that of numbers.

Zero symbolizes nonbeing, the latent and potential, death. Due to circular shape it is also construed as eternity.

One symbolizes being, unity, divinity and light. The numeral 1 being a phallic symbol, one is a male number. It is the father of all odd numbers, because if one is added to any even number an odd number is produced. The Greeks assigned only odd numbers to their major gods.

Two was taken by the mystics to mean echo, reflection and conflict. It is a female number, contrasted against the male one. Because of this contrast it is an ominous number posing evil against good, death against life. All kings of England who were the second of the name met with disaster—William II, Henry II, Edward II, Richard II and James II.

Three symbolically unites the male one with the female two, so it is considered the perfect number. Its triplicity denotes birth, existence and then descent. Among the Brahmins, there is a trinity of gods—Brahma, Vishnu and Siva. The Romans considered the world to be under the rule of three gods—Jupiter, Neptune and Pluto. The Greeks were very partial to three. There were three Fates and three Graces; man has body, mind and spirit: the world has earth, sea and air: nature is animal, vegetable and mineral.

Four is a symbol of the earth because of the cross, formed by the north-south line and the east-west line. The ancient Hebrews used the four-letter configuration IHVH to stand for the awesome, unmentionable name of god. The tetragrammaton became vowelized to the modern word Jehovah. Four was much used by the Hebrews—four winds, four rivers and four corners of heaven. Noah’s flood was caused by forty days and forty nights of rain; Jesus, Moses and Elijah fasted for forty days. The Israelites went out from Egypt and spent forty years in the wilderness. Followers of Pythagoras of Greece almost made a cult of four.

Five, being likened to man’s four limbs topped by his head, symbolizes completeness. Five is also linked to man’s five-fingered hand and the five senses. With the Greeks, the pentagram was the symbol of Hygeia, or health. Because it is the joining of the first odd and even numbers after the unit, five had a great appeal as a charm or amulet. Five is considered circular because whenever it is multiplied by an odd number it restores itself by appearing in the product.

Six also perpetuates itself, because when multiplied to itself any number of times, the number six is always found in the unit’s place of the product, as in 6, 36, 216, 1296, 7776, . . . But six has it’s malefic qualities, for it is the number of sin. On the sixth hour of the sixth day of creation, sin came into the world and 666 is the emblem of the evil one, the Beast.

Seven is the combination of three, the triangle representing man’s mind, and four, the square representing man’s earthly house. Seven, therefore is perfection and virtue. It corresponds to the seven musical notes, the seven basic colors, the seven planets (of Greeks) and the seven gods. Probably no other number has had so many things attributed to it. The Babylonian story of creation mentions the seven winds, the seven spirits of the storm, the seven evil diseases, and the seven divisions of the underworld closed by seven doors. 2500 years before Christ, the Babylonians said “Remember the seventh day to keep it holy.” Christ cast out seven demons from Mary, spoke seven words from the cross, and committed his followers to forgive their enemies seventy times seven times. The seven-branched menorah is proof of the significance of seven to the Hebrews.

Eight is symbolically related to the balancing out of opposing forces. 888 is the special number of Jesus Christ, the opponent of 666 “the Beast.” Eight is the first cube after one; hence as a cube, it represents the planet earth. Among the Greeks, eight was sacred to Dionysus, who was born an eight-month baby. The Pythagoreans however sensed something wrong with eight, as they made it the symbol of death.

Nine is the triplication of the triple, therefore it is a complete image of the three worlds: corporal, intellectual and spiritual. With the Hebrews, nine was the symbol of truth because when used as a multiplier it is never destroyed.
37,643 X 9 = 338,787; 3 + 3 + 8 + 7 + 8 + 7 = 36; 3 + 6 = 9.
In John Heydon’s Holy Guide, 1662, he asserts nine to have curious properties: “If writ or engraved on silver or Sardis, and carried with one, the wearer becomes invisible. . . it prevails against plagues and fevers, it causes long life and health, and by it Plato so ordered events that he died at the age of 9 times 9.”

[scameter]

Oddly enough, Pythagorus was actually mainly a religious and mystical man; the reason he saw math as being so large is because to him, they were as individual as humans and anything else in existence, and that through studying them, we could discover things about the occult and the spirituality of existence. He wasn't a logician. To him, math wasn't like it is to modern people: it was the be all to end all of everything. And neither was science.

So my friends if you are serious about philosophy, math should be included in your study. This has everything to do with democracy. The idea that we can know truth and govern ourselves.

The basis of philosophy isn't that we can know truth or govern ourselves; those are simply two philosophical ideas, of which many philosophers have disputed. Philosophy is the love of thinking, a passion for wisdom. It's not specifically about knowledge or truth or physical matters. That is what philosophy is about. To me, math is good, if I enjoy it, which I don't; to me, it's simply bland and has no beauty or mysteriousness to make it interesting or inspiring. I am glad that I have the mathematical abilities that I have, mainly addition, multiplication, subtraction and division, all of which can be of assistance in discerning larger mathematical problems, but to me knowing math does not make one brilliant, wise or spiritual. If it interests you, good, do it and enjoy it. But if not, you shouldn't be seen as any less intelligent for not studying it. One example of this is the Dalai Lama; he studies alot of science, philosophy, history, etc., but he is not good at math, and barely knows any of it. And yet, he is capable of understanding theories of physics, which are predominantly mathematical, through the thoughtful eyes of a thinking, philosophical person. Math is a tool; if it works for the individual, to whatever extent, good. But if it is not of use, entirely or to a specific degree, that should be ok too.

[JamesH]

In terms of philsophical reality, Math is only useful for arguements about irrelevant details. In the end all maths comes down to binary logic. It is only necessary because people love detail and love being shown logic in a practical sense maths enables people to accept logic.

In a practical sense, a purpose driven sense, then maths is the key to all technological advances.

[MidnightSun]

Shrodinger, ever heard about improved pythagoras square? There's more numbers and meanings in it, also it should be more accurate. My friend has a book of that.

[scameter]

In terms of philsophical reality, Math is only useful for arguements about irrelevant details. In the end all maths comes down to binary logic. It is only necessary because people love detail and love being shown logic in a practical sense maths enables people to accept logic.
In a practical sense, a purpose driven sense, then maths is the key to all technological advances.

I agree entirely.

is there any dispute on what constitutes

And yet, both words and numbers represent actual things, and are conceptually created by man. This is why I love words, and not numbers: numbers are inarguable, and words are not, and yet both are created conceptually, even if both represent things in existence. Words have mystery, depth, beauty. Numbers are simply what they are; as you say, inarguable.

[Michael]

Thank you CS for providing a fresh perspective on maths. While I have no mathematical ability I recognise the truth in what you say, it is my loss that I cannot access it. I read somewhere that maths is the only language which enables one to construct what is described. I believe that listening to Bach is the closest I can come to understanding maths.

[schrodinger]

Shrodinger, ever heard about improved pythagoras square? There's more numbers and meanings in it, also it should be more accurate. My friend has a book of that. --MidnightSun--

Now you are talking about a subject that is close to my heart, so I hope you don’t mind if I embellish my answer with a bit of history: ;)
It is interesting to note that the Babylonians knew what we call the Pythagorean theorem (c^2 = a^2 + b^2), as early as 2000 B.C. This is evidenced by a “problem text” found in 1945 at an archeological excavation near Tell Harmal, in Iraq. That being said, the theorem of Pythagoras, dating from around 540 B.C. was applicable only to right triangles, and only then to triangles that had members of integer length, such as the 3-4-5 right triangle. The Pythagoreans simply had no way to deal with incommensurable lengths since their theory of numbers was essentially a theory of integers and the ratios of integers. The proof that the diagonal and the side of a square are incommensurable was probably first expressed in Euclid’s Book X, proposition 8, of the Elements, written around 300 B.C. This allowed the theorem of Pythagoras to be expanded to include all right triangles, but still not to all triangles.
The modern application of the theorem of Pythagoras to include all triangles, that is: c^2 = a^2 + b^2 – (2 Cos C) (ab) which is commonly called the Law of Cosines, had to wait until the development of trigonometry and the adoption of decimal fractions. As recently as the 1500’s, for trigonometric purposes fractions were avoided by adopting a very large radius. For example, with a radius of 100,000,000 parts, the sine of 45 degrees is given as 70,710, 678! So the general application of what you call the “improved” theory of Pythagoras did not occur until the sixteenth century, even though Ptolemy, with his “table of chords”, had sufficiently developed trigonometry to handle this task around the year 150 A.D.

[MidnightSun]

Intresting. Also what about counting things fomr your birth date, I find that very accurate.

[CSwriter1]

The following if from a web site and the address of the site is at the end of the post. I am very glad there is so much interest in the subject and that some many could add so much to the subject.

Sacred Geometry


Shapes are endlessly fascinating to human beings. Religion is endlessly fascinating to human beings. Two great tastes that taste great together? Hell, yeah!
Sacred geometry is the art, or perhaps the science, of imposing structure onto something that is inherently intangible. Since people first learned to scrawl in the dirt with sticks, they have been drawing shapes and calling those shapes "God."


Primitive
The earliest known symbol of spirituality is the spiral. Ancient cave artists scrawled simple spirals on the walls of their homes, for reasons which have not been preserved in written language, but at which we can guess.
The spiral is the simplest and most common geometric shape shape in nature, both visibly and invisibly. From conch shells to weather patterns to DNA to galaxies to hallucinogenic visions, spirals are omnipresent in nature. Whether the cave artists were driven by mystical inspiration or simple observation, the emergence of the spiral in animistic, shamanistic and nature-worshipping cultures is not surprising.

After the spiral, things moved for a while along fairly predictable lines of increasing geometric complexity. Sun and moon icons brought circles into the realm of sacred geometry, predictably, as primitive pantheons expanded to include sun and sky gods.

It took longer for the concept of "geometry" as inherently "sacred" to develop, but not as long as you would think. Pre "civilized" people were understandably obsessed with the sky. After all, the sky was the source of rain and sun, lightning, hail and the changing seasons, all of which qualified as life-and-death issues for people who lived off the land, hadn't invented GPS (or even compasses) and hadn't started building houses in which to seek shelter from all of the abovementioned sky-based death-bombs.

The more you understood about what happened in the sky, the better your odds of survival. Which leads you to math. To really exploit the sky for all it's worth, you need math. You need to be able to count. You need to be able to calculate cycles. You need to plot movements for navigation using the stars.

Thus, geometry. Post-spiral, almost all of the earliest examples of sacred geometry are somehow tied to navigation and the calculation of the seasons. Early edifices like Stonehenge are essentially giant calendars, with rocks and markings situated to indicate seasonal passages based on where the sun casts its shadows. Other paleolithic monuments might frame a star or the sun or moon as if through a gun sight.

As the paleolithic era ended, people started applying the new math to their construction projects. The pyramids are the most notable of these efforts, even today. Aside from the sheer muscle-power required to actually build the damn things, the mathematical discipline in creating the shapes was pretty remarkable.

The pyramids were build along strict lines and proportions, oriented to compass points and astronomical coordinates (which allowed them at times to function as giant calendars in the same way Stonehenge did).

The major Egyptian pyramids were built about 5,000 years ago. They are generally thought to have been massive tombs for Egyptian royalty, designed to shepherd their occupants into the afterlife with style. This included the kind of fabulous wealth that made the pyramids more than a tourist attraction. As the original civilization that built the pyramids mutated into something else, the monuments remained, eventually gaining considerable mystique.

Today, there is wild and rampant speculation about what the pyramids mean, and what their geometric patterns are meant to achieve. In the 1970s, a brief pyramid craze erupted as New Age believers adopted the view that the shape itself was responsible for the preservation of mummies (in reality, the Egyptian's elaborate enbalming techniques deserved the credit).

The pyramids also provoked the people of the 20th century to wonder about extraterrestrial intervention in the early history of humanity, for a number of reasons. For one thing, the edifices were mathematically pristine, and modern people tend to labor under the impression that any society without Must-See-TV can barely call itself civilized, let alone count or multiply.

For another thing, the pyramids were... well, they're just so damn big. Their actual construction is still something of a mystery, although the brutal exploitation of thousands of slaves may have had something to do with it.

Then there were the other pyramids. Starting around 800 B.C. or so, the Aztec and Mayan civilizations in Central and South America were building pyramids of their own. While stylistically different, there were striking similarities in both style of construction and geometry. There is no credible theory at the moment which would explain the movement of architectural information between the Egyptians and the Aztecs.

There are three possible explanations for the similarities: 1) People had pyramids somehow hardwired into their brains (there is no scientific evidence to support this notion), 2) Pyramids were first built by an original unified prehistoric human civilization that later dispersed over the world, spreading its architecture with it (there is no scientific evidence to support this notion), or 3) Aliens told people to build pyramids (there is no scientific evidence to support this notion, but there are some rather funky Mayan pictograms that look like people flying rocket ships).




Intermediate
As civilization went on, the early connection between geometry and spirituality remained in the minds of more "advanced" peoples. These manifested themselves in a variety of ways.
The Mayans developed an inconceivably complicated calendar system. The Mayan calendar, depicted as an elaborate chart of pictograms, covered every significant and predictable astronomical event over a 10,000 year period. The cycle represented the current aeon of existence, and the calendar simply ends on Dec. 21, 2012, at which point the entire universe could simply come to an end.

Around 350 B.C., Plato discovered the Platonic solids, which was no coincidence. The platonic solids numbered five, cubes, tetrahedrons, octohedrons, icosahedrons and dodecahedrons. That's a lot of hedrons! The Platonic solids were associated with the "elements," as they were known to early man, earth, air, fire and water, which later took on spiritual significance.

In the Far East, math structures were also becoming part and parcel of spirituality. Between the first and second millennia B.C., the Chinese developed the I-Ching, a mathematical divination system that involved 64 hexagrams (each constructed from eight trigrams) made of solid and broken lines. The I-Ching was not intended to predict the future, but to offer counsel on the process of change occurring through time.

A few hundred years after that, in southern and southeastern Asia, the mandala was invented somewhere in between Buddhism and Hinduism. The I-Ching and the mandala represented a major step forward in the concept of "Sacred Geometry," because they were efforts to depict abstract concepts such as time, higher dimensions and higher states of consciousness, rather than the simple charting of physical phenomena found in earlier efforts.

Mandalas were used in meditative practice, their structure and optical illusion qualities helping to bring practitioners of yoga into a deep trance states, another new development. The use of diagrams and structures in achieving states of consciousness and other effects would begin to dominate sacred geometry from the first millennium B.C. onward.

This concept became further developed as the kabala was first defined around the time of Christ. A branch of Jewish mysticism, kabala was a metaphysical system for understanding the universe that extended from deep mathematical roots, related to the numerical values of the Hebrew alphabet. The kabala developed into a complex system of correspondences, magic numbers and charts. Medieval occultists used the diagrams and concepts of the kabala to create elaborate magic rituals.

Similar charts would pervade Magic practice, Witchcraft and other metaphysical systems for the next several hundred years, ranging from the pentagrams used by witches and occultists to vevers used in Voudoun to invoke loas.

http://www.rotten.com/library/occult/sacred-geometry/

[CSwriter1]

I am sorry, but your explanation of o^o is completely meaningless to me. After forcing myself to read as much as I could read of your explanation, my mind rebelled so badly I quit.

I am saying this because we have laughed at Pythagorus for thinking of numbers as personalities, but in fact it is much easier for us to pay attention to explanations that about personalities or people. So if 0 is a beautiful, I am much interested in 0, that I am interested in the given explanation of 0^0.

The ancients humanized stones and other land marks, and told stories about them, ususally when the land mark had survival purpose, such as finding water.

I am in awe of a mind that receive purely mathematical information. My does not. Perhaps we could greatly increase the number of people who comprehend math, if we humanized it?

[CSwriter1]

The explanation of 0 I came across, is 0 represents a boundary. There is an inside and an outside to 0. Isn't this the beginning of creation?

[scameter]

Zero to me seems to represent death or negation, with it's proceeding numbers representing lifeful things, and it's preceeding numbers representing less than nothing things.

[JamesH]

According to some Calculus textbooks, 0^0 is an "indeterminate form." What mathematicians mean by "indeterminate form" is that in some cases we think about it as having one value, and in other cases we think about it as having another.

(readers wont understand any of the following, but don’t worry, I’m just using the above quote to prompt some thinking for myself, and not for the purose of getting any responses).

The way I view the world is that there is a form of infinity that is 1 and a second form that is -1. All fractions in between the two opposites is everything we can observe, including 0 which represents space. Space is an indeterminate form, because it is like an emptiness to which any form can be added to.

An atom of lead for example may be something along the lines of :

(1 + -1) + (0.55 x -1) + (0.45 x 1)

Which equates to:

Space + an overlay that has about 22% more contractual causal power than expansionary power.

The only reason Lead has strong gravity is because it has a higher ratio of contractual power.

Energy is the opposite

A FM radio wave for instance, might be something like

(1 + -1) + (0.40 x -1) + (0.60 x 1)

"Units" of energy have opposite abilities to gravity. Rather than being a thing that is in the action of getting smaller, it is a thing that is getting spatially bigger. Unlike matter, it can travel without the application of force, because it is self-propelling, via the action of expansion.

Imagine you had a balloon, that could stretch out indefinitely without rupturing. The balloon is tied to a unit of matter and the balloon skin consists of chemical reactions that cause the skin to continually expand in size. As the balloon expands, one edge of the balloon will continually move away from this unit of matter. All the force to make the far end of the balloon move away from the matter is contained within the balloon skin. Unlike matter it does not require external forces to make it move.

The less contractual force contained within the unit of energy, the faster it can expand, and thus the faster it will move. This would mean there is no actual set maximum universal speed (of light or anything else), but there is a spectrum of speeds leading up to the instantaneousness of space and infinity. Einstein’s E-Mc2 formula IS NOT totally accurate, because that which is light cannot be perfectly defined – all we know is that is any energy that is close to being 100% expansive. The trouble is light could be any form of energy with an expansionary ratio that is greater than a certain level. It may be an object that is 99.99999999% expansionary and only 0.000000001% contractionary, but if there was something that was 99.99999999999999%. to 0.000000000000001% then this would be far faster than light.

Seeing as that which is infinite is outside of time, it must be instantaneous. It isn’t really possible for the universe to have some sort of arbitrary maximum speed, except if there were basic units of solid existence, which is not possible for reasons I won’t bother going into here.

[CSwriter1]

http://www.vivboard.net/doc/n0029.htm

"Leucippus, however, and his disciple Democritus hold that the elements are the Full and the Void - calling one "what is" and the other "what is not". Of these they identify the full or solid with "what is", and the void or rare with "what is not" (hence they hold that what is
not is no less real than what is, because Void is as real as Body); and they say that these are the material causes of things. And just as those who make the underlying substance a unity generate all other things by means of its modifications, assuming rarity and density as
first principles of these modifications, so these thinkers hold that the "differences" are the causes of everything else. These differences, they say, are three: shape, arrangement , and position; because they hold
that what is differs only in `contour', `inter-contact', and `inclination'. (Of these contour means shape, inter-contact arrangement, and inclination position.) Thus, e. g., A differs from N in shape, AN from NA in arrangement, and Z from N in position. As for motion,
whence and how it arises in things, they casually ignored this point, very much as the other thinkers did."[7]

[scameter]

I have a very, very, extremely interesting update to this my friend, psyche and cswriter especially of which I think will be interested. I was looking on youtube.com under math, and I found this video called Uncommon Multiplication. It was of this guy who would figure out multiplication problems using a special method that really only the video can illustrate. I initially thought it was set up, but I then tried it several times on my own and it worked every time. I was using a small sheet of paper so numbers with larger-quantity digits was more difficult, but all the equations's answers were identical to that my computer calculator produced. It's absolutely amazing. I am not usually interested in math, as most of you know, but this is an exception. It seems mystical to me; spiritual. As if logic, being the backbone of math, is a reflection of nature onto our minds, and that math is an expression of this reflection and connection. Physics seems much more interesting to me now, even with the math. :P I wonder if this applies to other things besides multiplication... Ok, here's the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1paVdqkkAs

[scameter]

:P Glad you liked it, I did too. Did you try it out yourself? The method is a little difficult to learn because it is of his own make, but it does work and does have a system. The best way to learn it is by doing it yourself and following how he did it, especially in the places on the grid to section off for each number that is gotten from where the lines intersect.

[DRImperius]

Interesting multiplication...caught me, actually.