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bito
8th November 2006, 06:59 PM
Intellectual enlightenment can extinquish all sense of mental separation from the universe, and all identification with the body, but it cannot extinquish the body.
Logic and reason speak of the totality.
When logic and reason are resting, there is only body awareness, there is only breathing.
This is joy.
Those who say feeling and enlightenment cannot co-exist are, well, just plain wrong ... :D
bito
9th November 2006, 08:58 AM
God is breathing.
scameter
9th November 2006, 09:30 AM
I agree somewhat. But to me, our body is just the house of our mind and spirit; it's not why we're human, or why we're aware. Any animal has a body; but no other animal is conscious, while we are. Our body is only good because it allows our mind to work with nature, and I think they are together, but different.
bito
9th November 2006, 10:28 AM
Our body is only good because it allows our mind to work with nature, and I think they are together, but different.
Why does our body need a reason 'to be good'?
spiritual_emergency
9th November 2006, 11:47 AM
bito: Intellectual enlightenment can extinquish all sense of mental separation from the universe, and all identification with the body, but it cannot extinquish the body.
http://www.osho.com/magazine/tarot/picCards/zen002Existence.jpg
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Late one evening I stepped out of my little hut in the rice paddies of eastern Bali and found myself falling through space.* Over my head the black sky was rippling with stars, densely clustered in some regions, almost blocking out the darkness between them, and more loosely scattered in other areas, pulsing and beckoning to each other.* Behind them all streamed the great river of light with its several tributaries.* Yet the Milky Way churned beneath me as well, for my hut was set in the middle of a large patchwork of rice paddies, separated from each other by narrow two-foot high dikes, and these paddies were all filled with water.* The surface of these pools, by day, reflected perfectly the blue sky, a reflection broken only by the thin, bright green tips of new rice.* But by night the stars themselves glimmered from the surface of the paddies, and the river of light whirled through the darkness underfoot as well as above; there seemed no ground in front of my feet, only the abyss of star-studded space falling away forever.
I was no longer simply beneath the night sky, but also above it -- the immediate impression was of weightlessness.*
The Spell of the Sensuous ~ David Abram
See also: Tonight (http://www.allmusicvideocodes.com/n/Nina-Gordon/2422-Tonight-And-The-Rest-Of-My-Life/index.html)
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The way our ancestors regarded the world may have a lot to teach us about where, and why, our thinking went wrong and how it can be corrected. We need to feel as much a part of nature as they did.
A man leaves his home in American academia to immerse himself in the world of shamanism in Bali and Nepal. After some time, he finds himself becoming ever more deeply immersed in the natural world. Encounters with condors, with spiders, with rocks and grasses, recounted in spell-bindingly beautiful prose, are full of meaning to him. His habitual feelings of duality - of self set against other, of humankind set against the rest of the natural world - are progressively dissolved. In a fundamental sense, he feels himself to have truly come home.
Then, he leaves Asia and returns to the country of his birth. Within a short space of time, his feelings of oneness with the world around him evaporate and he finds himself once again back in a primarily man-made environment, looking out at the rest of creation as a stranger.
What happened? If the state of non-separation and identification with the natural world, apparently so accessible to our aboriginal ancestors and neighbours, is our natural state of being, how did he so easily lose it? Further, how have we collectively as a species so easily lost it? These are the great questions at the heart of David Abram's The Spell of the Sensuous (http://www.amazon.com/Spell-Sensuous-Perception-Language-More-Than-Human/dp/0679776397).
Source: Johnathon Dawson's Reviews (http://www.feasta.org/documents/review2/spell_eden.htm)
See also: What We Lost (http://www.thebigview.com/discussion/index.php?act=ST&f=3&t=1104&st=0)
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[Note: My java's been busted on my computer so I wasn't able to actually view the video I'd earlier linked. Having seen it since, all I can say is... love the song/not too fond of the vid. *shrug*]
______
9th November 2006, 02:26 PM
God is breathing.
If God stopped breathing, would he sufficate? ;)
clyde
9th November 2006, 03:58 PM
Only human beings have the body of human beings.
Breathing
Our very lives hang on the thin thread of our breath. So in meditation we focus on the breath: when breathing out, know that you are breathing out; when breathing in, know that you are breathing in. It is written and often said by sages that “meditation on the breath” brings great joyfulness. Of course it does, one celebrates being a living body, a living body experiencing the universe.
We are smothered by G d.
Do no harm <http://donoharm.us/>,
clyde
bito
9th November 2006, 07:57 PM
breathing is most amazing
in and out, filling, emptying
when mindful of breathing
surrendering happens
joy is most amazing
no beginning, no end
joy is ground, ground is joy
mindfulness happens
MidnightSun
9th November 2006, 11:04 PM
we are watched over by him
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9th November 2006, 11:54 PM
Lama Surya Das speaks about teaching a class of young children the basic principles of Buddhism and used a gong in a breif group meditation. Most of the kids lost interest with the act of followingthe sound, but one in particular ended up telling his mother about the experience. He told her, "A guy came to class to day and banged a gong for us. He said to 'follow the sound', so I did." His mother had smiled and said that that was great. "I was God."
scameter
10th November 2006, 08:08 AM
Why does our body need a reason 'to be good'?
It is good, for that reason. And by good, I mean useful. Imagine if we had the body of an eagle but with our mind.
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