Ancient Mysteries

[CSwriter1]

I know this sounds crazy. Kahill Gibran wrote, we speak when we are not at peace with our thoughts. I AM NOT AT PEACE WITH MY THOUGHTS THIS MORNING.

I am reading about the possibility that Antiartica was Atlantis. The title of the book is Ancient Mysteries, by Peter James and Nick Thorpe. My friend picked it up at Costco for less than $10.

First the book tells about a theory, and then provides all the reasons why the theory probably isn't true. When it comes to the Atlantis story, there are many explanations of it. There are also questions that cannot be anwered, such as if ancient people had the technological knowledge of Atlantis why did it take so long between the catalismic event and the rise of Egyptian and Olmec civilizations? Doesn't primitive attempts to build pyramids prove the Egyptians didn't have the knowledge, but had to learn how to build pyramids by trail and error?

My problem is, I live with what feels like a memory of a past incarnation, and if this is actually a memory a past incarnation, I have the answers to the questions. Hum, "feel like a memory"- means my whole body reacts to this possible memory. A feeling like coming home. Our brains play plenty of tricks on us, so what I am saying could be disillusion.

However, now, here is the crazy talk okay?.... Yes, we did disperse and travel by sea, and colonize the world when we knew a cataclismic event would detroy our land. The whole earth was in great upheaval, and because of this, there were earthquakes and volocanic activity every where as is happening today.

We were not alone on earth. Actually we came from another planet and that is why we were more advanced than the peoples of the earth. Our civilization florished because our island isloted us from the primitve people. We had contact with them only when we came by boat, looking for resources. Those who were friendly to us, we could teach, to the degree they could learn. Of course some would kill all new comers, and we could not share information with them, because they were not approachable.

When we knew our land would be distroyed we colonized in the safetest places. Where I was, there is a major earthquake, and the natives thought we had caused the event, by angering their gods, and their gods had to be appeased, by throwing us over a cliff. That is how I died in that incarnation.

Well that was a long explanation so I will stop here. It is strange to live with such a memory (?) and not know if there are grounds for believing it is a memory, or if it is just disillusion. The Great pyramid of Giza, was possibly built first by my people and later attempts were an effort to imitate this pryamid. This could happen much later, because at first there were not enough people and the civilization wasn't advanced enough, but when the neccessary growth was achieved, the information stored in the pyramid was rediscovered, and they were ready to recieve it.

[TruthSeeker]

Kahill Gibran wrote, we speak when we are not at peace with our thoughts.
That's funny. I rarely speak..... <_<

[CSwriter1]

I am so releaved. So far it appears there is acceptence of the possibility of reincarnation. I post on some forums where such a thought would be strongly ridiculed.

Not that I feel sure of what feels like memory of past incarnations, but it is nice someone else has had a similar experience.

Now about Pythagoras and Mayans, and the possibility of an ancient advanced civilization such as Atlantis.... I will quote from "A Beginner's Guide to Constructing the Universe"

The seven-note scale is meant to model the hidden side of the macrocosmic design, the universe ruled by mathematical harmories of music.* The scale structure implies that the universe emerges from absolute divinity, descends through a seven-stage celestial hierarchy, and returns to absolute divinity.* In order to create music the string is bowed back and forth by the motions of the generative Dyad between the exremes of harmony and discord, love and strife, light and shadow.

The ancients designed and used muscial scales to play the harmonies of the heavens, the music of the spheres pleasing to the gods and humans.* Music was meant to allow the higher principles to meter our lives through our sense of hearing and our emotion. ....
Music of the lyre was used to accompany and enhance the voice.* But it was part of a larger administrative and therapeutic system involving colors, fragrances, flavors, textures, herbs and plants, minerals, metals, myth, agriculture, meterology, and astronomy.

The Mayans used harmonic math. That is, their numbers can represent musical notes, colors, areas of the body, etc. . There is a scale of light rays and a narrower scale of colors within the scale of light rays, as there is a scale for music. Our bodies respond to these viberations in all their forms.

My point is I think this knowledge was dispersed, possibly before the disaster that destroyed Atantis. I think we need to pick up the lost information from several ancient cultures and try to put it back together again.

[CSwriter1]

Synesthesia links and referencesCertain Further Experiments in Synaesthesia. American Anthropologist 17: 143-155. Peacock, Kenneth. Alexander Scriabin's Color Hearing, Music Perception, ...
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Ancient Greek philosophers, like Aristotle and Pythagoras, speculated that there must be a correlation between the musical scale and the rainbow spectrum of hues. That idea fascinated several Renaissance artists including Leonardo da Vinci (who produced elaborate spectacles for court festivals), Athanasius Kircher (the popularizer of the "Laterna Magica" projection apparatus) and Archimboldo who (in addition to his eerie optical-illusion portraits composed of hundreds of small symbolic objects) produced entertainments for the Holy Roman Emperors in Prague.

Thanks for the lead. I did some googling and came up with the above. Some people doing acid seem to see colors, as their senses can be blended. Many others have mixed music and color, but I don't think the mix is determined by vibration frequency. Color associated with music is determine emotionally. At least that seems to be what I read.

I just realized, I don't know why a musical note is what it is. The different tension of a string, produces a different sound, by why? You know what, :angry: I am going to punch that smilies that keeps pointing at what I am writing and laughing :hahaha: . I don't think my question is that funny. :uhoh: he knows there is going to be trouble, and :knockout: is sick of this fighting. :thumbsup: is encouraging though, so may be I pursue this train of thought.

Hum, time to walk the dog and then go to bed.

[sonrisa]

geting back to reincarnation, I posted this on the old board:

sonrisa
22-Mar-2003
IP: 209.240.212.100

Richie, I must tell you what happened several years ago: Some 10-12 years ago, early 90's, I started to paint a mountain. Didn't like the way it was going so I put the canvas up. A couple years later, in 1995, I was looking around for something to paint & I pulled out the partway-done mountain painting, & began working it over, so that eventually it became "Vesuvius Blows Its Top" & took a red ribbon in a local art show. All the while I was working on this piece I got the feeling that I was painting the erupting volcano & the pandemonium in the foreground while looking over my shoulder &/or running backward. At one point, when I was trying to see thru the smoke & haze in my mind's eye to draw what I saw on the canvas, I realized that I was trying to remember what happened, which is odd becuz this happened some 1900 years ago & I don't go back nearly that far (or so I thought) Nevertheless, when I realized that I was trying to remember the eruption & ensuing events, I chilled, got into a Zen zone, & let the memories flow onto the canvas, & created a 2nd place prizewinning painting. Several months after taking the ribbon, maybe early 1996, one of those cable channels, Discovery, TLC, whatever, ran a documentary about Vesuvius narrated by Kathleen Turner in which the following points stood out for me:
a) I can draw many things, but straight lines are not among them. By the time I noticed that the buildings were off kilter, it was too late to fix them without the painting looking doctored. But I decided the finished piece would be so busy that nobody would notice the buildings were off kilter unless it was pointed out to them. According to the documentary there were earthquakes along with the eruption & they knocked buildings off kilter.
b ) somebody, upon viewing the painting (which has a black background) snobbishly pointed out that Vesuvius blew up around noon. I replied that I didn't care what time it blew, it was dark. Pliny the Younger, who witnessed the eruption from a boat, said that Vesuius threw up so much soot & ash the sky turned pitch black.
c) the only volcanoes I had seen were pix of Mt St Helens & some Hawaiian volcanoes spewing up orange embers, like fireflies over their tops. I painted something like a nuke coming out of my volcano. I decided to leave it that way as my commentary on the Bomb. The documentary ran Air Force footage of bombers flying over Vesuvius during WWII. What was coming out looked like they had dropped one of their bombs into it. On the other hand, maybe that's what they did.
d) I had never seen Vesuvius- not even a photo- until I saw this documentary. All the while I was painting the volcano, I kept wanting drag out the left side of it towards the edge of the canvas. I resisted becuz I had painted this nice even volcano & didn't want to destroy the symmetry. Towards the end of the documentary they the showed a long shot of Vesuvius- & the left side was sloping out asymetrically! Now, once I sign a painting, that's it. I don't mess with it any more, certainly not after it's taken a ribbon. But when I saw Vesuvius on TV sloping on the left side, I got out my paints & painted it sloping to the left, as I had wanted to do all the while I was painting it! Only time I ever fixed a signed & supposedly finished painting.
And that is my past life story. Honest to god!
ps since I got online I check out Vesuvius cam from time to time, so I've seen it quite a bit since making that painting

[Michael]

It is delightfully paradoxical that the more we learn about things the more mysterious things become.

The one ancient mystery that flummoxes me is the Peri Reis Map which was drawn from older maps in 1513 by a Turkish Captain.

The map shows the land mass of antarctica without its covering of ice. It also shows
lines of latitude and longtitude.

The earliest possible date for an ice-free antarctica would pre-date the map by something more than 1,000 years (I am being mega plus conservative in this estimation, it probably would be closer to 10,000).

The map could not have been drawn without knowledge of longtitude. The first reliable method for finding longtitude was discovered by Cassini, an Italian mathemathician and astronomer, in 1681.

The map is still in existence today. The cartographic detail of the continent, which has
been confirmed by modern cartographic studies, is highly accurate.

How could the map be drawn with such accuracy? It's a mystery.

[sonrisa]

yeah, & the thing about the Peri Reis map, going by the distortions of the South American continent, it had to have been surveyed over Cairo- 5000 ft in the air

[Michael]

Speaking of mysteries and height. Has anyone every seen Leonardo's aerial illustration of the Po Valley. How did he do that? Never seen any observations on it. Nobody else seems surprised, so maybe I shouldn't.

[CSwriter1]

I feel strange. I just read sonrisa's post about painting the volcano. I think I might have been rescued from Pompii by a Roman soldier who took me to a boat.

How many others can "image" (?) this event or a similar one? Could we have known each other in the past?

[CSwriter1]

Atlantis under antarctica(Note : the original theory that Atlantis was under Antarctica was proposed by the Flem-Aths in their book “When the Sky fell- In search of Atlantis” (1995) ...
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The map could be related to Atlantis?

I tried googling "Leonardo's aerial illustration of the Po Valley" but couldn't find a brief explanation of what you are talking about. Do you have more to say about it?

[CSwriter1]

psyche, I am wondering how knowledge of sound and light works with string theory. If anyone has thoughts on this, please start a thread for this discussion.

And what do you mean by there being no fi and that fa is mysterious? I don't know enough to understand your explanation, but am even more intrigued now.

[Michael]

The reason you couldn't find it is because I supplied incorrect information.

The piece I had in mind is actually Da Vinci's Map of Northern Italy Showing the Watershed of the Arno.

An it's not a mystery. According to my research he was just a highly skilled topographer. The moral of the story is, don't shoot before you draw your gun. Apologies for the garden path.

[MidnightSun]

"Speaking without thinking is shooting without aiming" - J.V.Gete ,lithuanian writer :)

[schrodinger]

I feel strange. I just read sonrisa's post about painting the volcano. I think I might have been rescued from Pompii by a Roman soldier who took me to a boat.

How many others can "image" (?) this event or a similar one? Could we have known each other in the past?

Before you get all covered in goose bumps, you might consider this:

Last Days of Pompeii Our rating: two LAVA® motion lamps.
"...And another thing:Hercules would never sing!"
There must be something about the novel The Last Days of Pompeii by Edward George Bulwer-Lytton, because it has been committed to film at least eight times. The novel isn't known very well today, but the Cecil B. DeMille version from 1935 is the best known, despite the fact that it has little to do with the novel. In 1960, Italian filmmakers went back to the original novel, then liberally rewrote it to turn into an action vehicle for then hot-stuff star Steve Reeves, the actor who first played a flesh-and-blood version of the Greek demigod Hercules. Probably the only thing these three versions of the story (the novel, the 1935 movie, and the 1960 movie) have in common is that at the end, Mt. Vesuvius blows its top and kills a whole bunch of people. Ah, if there's one concept that is universal to all cultures it's that destroying cities is fun.

Yes, we all have "memories" but not from past lives, usually past movies we have seen and even books we have read. That's the way the mind works.
Reincarnation? Actually, I think we never really die! :lol:

[sonrisa]

sorry, but I never saw any of those flicks. As for the book- is that the one that starts out, "it was a dark & stormy night"? :D

[namtso]

My Mother used to have precognitive dreams, almost always exactly 2 weeks before the event actually took place in real life. She doesn't any more. She thinks that it was a lesson for her to learn that time does not exist in the linear way we normally perceive it. She's also had dreams of a past life. All very interesting but extremely difficult if not impossible to prove. Doesn't negate the possibility though. Sometimes I wonder if a person might experience dejavu because they dreamt about an experience in advance of it happening but forgot or never remembered the dream. I had a very intense dejavu experience when I was around 8 or 10 years old. The family went on a trip to San Francisco. We were in the car on city streets that I had absolutely never been on before but I was describing the buildings that were coming up before we even got to them. I was describing what was coming up around the corners as we were driving. It must have lasted for around five minutes while we were riding in the family car to a Ripley's Believe it or Not "Museum". At the time it didn't even occur to me that was some unusual sort of experience but as I got older I realized it. I did very clearly remember the experience though. I suppose I could have watched some television show where someone drove along the same route to the same place but I think the odds are against it. The year was probably around 1971. I have no idea how many sort of touring or vacationing shows were on television back then. Take it for whatever it's worth, I don't give it any huge significance, just that it happened. Strange, huh. Anyone else have similar experiences?

[MidnightSun]

Yes I sure do. Dejavu sometimes visits me two minutes before the accident happens. Its like u know who will get on a bus and sit next to you. Althought i dont sense it anymore.

I also had a few visions. My friend phoned me and told hes feeling very sick. Then i went meditating and sent him some of my energy by thoughts. A couple of minutes later i saw a vision which interupted my eyesight. On the vision my friend said that he feels better and told me when he got well. It was some sort of dream awake.