Comprehensive Decision Finder

[TheCDF]

Hi everyone! I would like to post this everywhere I can.

I have been drawn into some kind of a philosophy world, not by choice. Somebody happened to ask me if I believe in free will. That started everything, about 10 years ago now. I don't even have a high school education, so how could I know anything. I don't even have a firm grasp on the english language, although I try my hardest.

Well, I made something, that to me seems to be everything. Exactly how, who knows. It's called the "Comprehensive Decision Finder", and I seem to know alot about it. I tried talking to some professors about it but they were not interested because I didn't have a collage degree. They said I needed one to understand the language that they used. I left trying to figure out how they lost there first language that enabled them to understand me.

The CDF, I call it, is at www.thecdf.net . If anyone of you can understand simple language please visit it and reply. There is alot still in my head. I don't have the proper tools to get it all out. The CDF to me seems simple enough but have meet with great resistance because people don't seem to understand it. Of course, everyone says they do but I can only believe, after hearing from them, they don't. Maybe they are just the real simple thinkers.

Anyway I would love to engage in conversation about it, hearing all your thoughts. I have tried to read things about free will, but people can go off on journeys that to me mean nothing. I can not do what others can do to learn new things, like reading, I can only read a little at a time. So, everything I know, I thought of it.

Well enough from me for now, let's hear from you. That is why I'm here.

Thank You

[rich]

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[Thomas Knierim]

I don't get it. A weighed pro-contra list? What is new about it?

The text mentions:

"One can not choose to be something one is not capable of being."

Yes indeed. Likewise, one cannot believe in something that one is not inclined to believe in the first place (the famous problem with Pascal's wager), and one cannot do something that one is not capable of doing. Again, what exactly is the point?

Cheers, Thomas

[TruthSeeker]

I don't get it. A weighed pro-contra list? What is new about it?
Exactly my thought. Me and my counsellour have done it quite a few times... :D

I think what he says here:
"Summary: Decisions are based upon your emotional response to your belief."

That's the beginning of something that could be useful. It's beyond me why he just accepts that and ignore the fact that that realization can lead to a better system. He just accept the obviously imperfect system. It's like... what the hell? :think:

"One can not choose to be something one is not capable of being."
Of course they can. Whether they actually achieve it, however, is debatable.

Likewise, one cannot believe in something that one is not inclined to believe in the first place (the famous problem with Pascal's wager),
Why not?

and one cannot do something that one is not capable of doing.
I can't play violin. But if I train enough, couldn't I do it?

[Thomas Knierim]

TruthSeeker: can't play violin. But if I train enough, couldn't I do it?

Yes, of course, but then you need time. The previous comments apply to a static reference frame. With time comes the element of change. Almost everything is possible given enough time. Even the improbable evolution of human beings.

Cheers, Thomas

[TruthSeeker]

Even the improbable evolution of human beings.

:rofl:

[TheCDF]

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I don't get it. A weighed pro-contra list? What is new about it?

Exactly my thought. Me and my counsellour have done it quite a few times...

I have been looking for someone who has seen this before. I would like to compare. Could you provide me with a link?

It's beyond me why he just accepts that and ignores the fact that that realization can lead to a better system.
Looks like I came to the right place. Again I would appreciate a link for this also.

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Likewise, one cannot believe in something that one is not inclined to believe in the first place (the famous problem with Pascal's wager),

Why not?

Yeah! Why not?

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and one cannot do something that one is not capable of doing.

I can't play violin. But if I train enough, couldn't I do it?
If you could train enough to do it that would make your capable of doing it. But as Thomas Knierim said things can change.

3 : having attributes (as physical or mental power) required for performance or accomplishment <is capable of intense concentration>
4 : having traits conducive to or features permitting <this woman is capable of murder by violence -- Robert Graves>

"One can not choose to be something one is not capable of being."

You might be surprised at how many people who do not undertand something as simple as this.

Glad I found this site again. Forgot to bookmark it.

[TruthSeeker]

I have been looking for someone who has seen this before. I would like to compare. Could you provide me with a link?
Nope. Sorry man. I don't know the name for that. And it is so simple and common use that a lot of people use it without giving it a name.

Looks like I came to the right place. Again I would appreciate a link for this also.
No no no no. You don't get it. There is currently no system capable of doing this! :o

[TheCDF]

Nope. Sorry man. I don't know the name for that. And it is so simple and common use that a lot of people use it without giving it a name.

Thats funny, when I was talking to some psychology professors they had names for the decision making systems they used. Maybe you could ask them.

No no no no. You don't get it. There is currently no system capable of doing this!
Then why do you say: It's beyond me why he just accepts that and ignores the fact that that realization can lead to a better system.
Have you tried the CDF yet, doesn't sound like it.

[Thomas Knierim]

TheCDF: I have been looking for someone who has seen this before. I would like to compare. Could you provide me with a link?

I can't give you a link, but the idea is very commonplace. It's usually called a pro/contra list. If you add priorities to it, then it's a weighed pro/contra list. The idea has been featured, for example, in the movie "Along came Polly" where Ben Stiller plays an insurance risk analyst.

Thomas: Likewise, one cannot believe in something that one is not inclined to believe in the first place (the famous problem with Pascal's wager),

TruthSeeker: Why not?

Because a belief or a conviction is not an act of will. For example, you cannot will yourself to believe in Osiris, if you don't believe in Osiris in the first place. Beliefs are acquired on account of factors that are partly outside of conscious control.

Cheers, Thomas

[TheCDF]

I can't give you a link, but the idea is very commonplace. It's usually called a pro/contra list. If you add priorities to it, then it's a weighed pro/contra list. The idea has been featured, for example, in the movie "Along came Polly" where Ben Stiller plays an insurance risk analyst.

I don't understand that if what you say is true how come no one else has told me.

I believe that you are mistaken about what exactly was portrayed in the movie. I will have to try and find the movie myself.

Even if it is commonplace, it doesn't deminish its meaning. I must then, if what you say is true, be the only person who sees that it shows free will can not exist. It's also funny how I have been looking into the existence of free will for a long time now and have never run across it before. There are similar types of what "they" call decision making systems. This is not a decision making system.

From my website:
The CDF was designed to show how decisions are made, not how to make them, even though you don't physically make the lists and consciously rate your emotions. It is only to show a process of thinking about the factors and reacting to them. To show that your emotions, affected by the factors are what makes your decisions.

You probably need to closely compare them.

[Thomas Knierim]

TheCDF: I don't understand that if what you say is true how come no one else has told me.

Have you asked? Have you asked the right questions?

You might want to google the terms "decision theory" and "heuristics".

Cheers, Thomas