Bad Choices

[Winfried]

I've been thinking about this for quite some time now, and my answer to this question is no. For every choice you make (and I don't doubt choices can be made) creates a new situation. This situation can be pleasant, not so pleasant, what you expected, something quite different than your expectations etc. But there is a new situation. And new situations puts you to new chellenges, and without challenges life would be boring.
Example: A friend of mine didn't really like his job he had been doing for ten years or so. So without looking for a new job he quit his job and then started to look for a new one. This made him look for a job in places he would never have thought of looking, and he quite enjoys the job he found. So a choice which might've seemed like a bad decision, i.e. quitting a job without being sure of finding a new one, actually did improve the situation.
This has a negative side though, because of this way of viewing life, and espacially choice, I never feel any regret for the things I do. But then again, the things I do aren't all that bad.

Any views on this one?

[TruthSeeker]

You want to feel regret!?!? :blink:

Anyways... "bad" and "good" are completely relative and subjective terms...
I rather use something more absolute such as "beneficial"...

[Oli]

To someone who believes in fate, there cannot be regret, therefore cannot be bad choices. I agree.

[buzzlightyear1982]

I disagree, for fate is simple an element woven nto our daily lives and like every other element in our lives we can choose to ignor it...therefor making an bad choose B)

[scameter]

I think it is relative, as are many such things, to the individual. For instance, a liberal society wouldn't consider sex bad, but a conservative Christian society would. And, sex is a choice.

[Smurf]

Well I don't believe in "good" or "bad"

[scameter]

And I personally believe in both the inherent existence of both and our conscience.

[TruthSeeker]

"Good" and "bad" are purely subjective. "Beneficial" is a more absolute term.

[scameter]

Nothing is absolute.

[Smurf]

nothing is relatively absolute

I don't believe in much anymore, but hey

[locomotive]

bad choices do exist. You make a choice and you say well that was a bad choice. Whatever phenomena you give a name too exists. You can only redefine the phenomena. Saying ok this is what a call a choice, this is what I call a feeling whitch I made after the result of my choice didn't meet with my expectation. So bad choices exist, however, wether you need the bad/good concepts for descriptive purposes in your life is the more important question.

[Winfried]

To someone who believes in fate, there cannot be regret, therefore cannot be bad choices. I agree.
I don't believe in fate. 'Cause what I heard of this thing called fate didn't enjoy me at all. (Therefore I don't really belive in America, or established governments either. :lol: ) It seemed to me as if fate wouldn't let you choose. But I just think that any outcome of any choice must be embraced.
You want to feel regret!?!?
No, but some people around me would like me to :)

[rich]

Smurf
Posted on Jul 8 2006, 02:38 PM
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nothing is relatively absolute

I don't believe in much anymore, but hey


scameter
Posted on Jul 8 2006, 02:21 PMNothing is absolute


Essentially, have reached a conclusion similar to yours, since posting in this forum. Nothing is absolute, but ICBW. :unsure:

[TruthSeeker]

How can the universe have some stability without something being absolute?

[buzzlightyear1982]

"How can the universe have some stability without something being absolute?"

I agree...it is quite imposible to have one without the other... B)

[Smurf]

What is absolute, is its relativness :P

[sonrisa]

there ya go! :)

[scameter]

Illusions can appear quite stable. Is the universe really that stable?

[buzzlightyear1982]

Nothing in life or earth is stable...it just appears to be so B)

[Smurf]

as Scam said, illusions can be stable

I don't think that the universe is stable, as with anything it is flawed it is not perfect

[sonrisa]

yeah but if the earth was unstable, wouldn't it like, blow up or something? B)

[Smurf]

:duh: :wallbash:

[scameter]

It doesn't have to be entirely unstable, which would be the requirement for it to blow up. It could be partially or half unstable. Perhaps the illusionist is advancing his technique. :)

[Winfried]

Might I tell you that I started this topic to ask your views about choices, not about the absolute relativity of the universe?

Thank you.

[sahyo]

spontaneous- i n g

[buzzlightyear1982]

"It doesn't have to be entirely unstable, which would be the requirement for it to blow up. It could be partially or half unstable. Perhaps the illusionist is advancing his technique."

So then we can call it a teenager...unpredictable, wild, and defiant... :hahaha:

[Winfried]

I wonder, why do you concider teenagers 'half unstable', but not adults or pre-teen children?
Is it because pre-teens have had no experience at all (or at least very little) and adults have had lots of experience, and teenagers are floating inbetween, not knowing who they are, or what to do? But then again, many adults don't really know who they are, or what (they want) to do, too. To smaller children it is all so simple; there is a magical being called SantaClaus, Mommy and Daddy are always right, it is improper to pick your nose; teenagers discover things no one has told them before; Mum and Dad aren't always right (they are mere humans too), why should picking your nose be concidered improper, who came up with this 'Santa' being anyway? Teen life is where most people start asking questions, is that your view on being partially unstable? Do you think conformity is the key to a stable, happy life? Should one stop asking questions by the time they turn 20? I hope not, that would make most conversations boring, and so would this forum be.

But getting back to the cosmopolitan discussion: Teenager is a term used to define a stage in human life. It is not suited to define something as big and abstract as the universe.

[sahyo]

believing, 'someone can choose' feeds 'seeking' solidity-stability-control, appeasing fear ?

[Winfried]

Well, I can't deny I feel fear. Fear of some sort of fate. For if there is fate, what choice do I have? None, I would think. A frightening thought.

[scameter]

I'm sorry to have diverted the discussion to relativity, but I think it was and is appropriate, as "bad" is a relative statement, and thus so is "bad choices". And, buzz, I am a teenager, and am none of those things, to a large extent. :)

[Smurf]

Yes, "Bad" is absolutely relative :P

[buzzlightyear1982]

"I wonder, why do you concider teenagers 'half unstable', but not adults or pre-teen children?"

Your right...I was working off of my own expierances of being an teenager. I have witnessed many of adaults in their fourties and above that act just as I did when I wa an teenager. Only I did it just to be a pain in the ass...they do it because they think they know everything. Thank you for pointing that out... B)

"Well, I can't deny I feel fear. Fear of some sort of fate. For if there is fate, what choice do I have? None, I would think. A frightening thought."

Yes it is frightening when I think as well...the wheels in my head start to turn and then comes the smoke out of my ears and it sets off the sprinklers... :hahaha: But seriously...now that you bring it up...is there really an differance between fear and fate? For they both are unavaoidable and certain. But the one thing that connects them most of all is that they remain mysterious to us to this day B)

"And, buzz, I am a teenager, and am none of those things, to a large extent."

I'm sorry for crowning you with that stereo type but like I said earlier I was just refering back to my own actions as a teenager. It was never ment to be an reflection of anyones else B)

[Winfried]

is there really an differance between fear and fate? For they both are unavoaidable and certain.
Yeah, but it seems to me as if fear is triggered by something, be it a spider; a giant block of uranium floating above your head; a bathtub. But it seems to me as if fate is 'just there' and I can't really cope with that. I like the idea of controlling my own life, not the idea of having it all worked out for me already.

[buzzlightyear1982]

"Yeah, but it seems to me as if fear is triggered by something, be it a spider; a giant block of uranium floating above your head; a bathtub. But it seems to me as if fate is 'just there' and I can't really cope with that. I like the idea of controlling my own life, not the idea of having it all worked out for me already."

In the end everything reviels itself to be fate...it has been proven that some fate is genetic...you recieve one fear from your mother and another from your father. Then you have to consider those who believe in past life. They believe that one who has a fear of water might have drowned or had some king of tramayizing experianc with water in a past life. Then by the work of fate you just happen to carry that fear into your present day life. Fate is everywhere, everything, and everyone. For example star-crossed lovers who has been marrying each other for decades in differant lives B)