Thus Is The Masterpiece Of Life

[TruthSeeker]

Thus is the masterpiece of life

You were born sleeping
To Be someday awaken
By the fire of your mind
The shadow of your destiny

Through your mind you are conceived
Your awareness ressurected
From the shadows of the mystery
Eternal life in you expressed

From the universe you have come
And to the universe you belong
Till the day you wake again
In the light of your existance


Truth :tao:

[scameter]

Hmm...if it was like this instead:

You were born awake
But lost your vision
To Be someday awaken
By the fire of your mind
The prospect of your destiny

Through your mind you are conceived
Your awareness ressurected
From the shadows of the mystery
Eternal life in you expressed

From the universe you have come
And to the universe you belong
Till the day you wake again
In the light of your existance

Truth

I like that version better personally. The other one glorified adulthood too much.

[TruthSeeker]

Hey! You can't change someone else's poetry! :D

No. The universe told me the poetry in 15 seconds, so it is as it is. I will never change it because that's what it was supposed to be. A bried interpretation...


The Beginning
"You were born sleeping
To Be someday awaken
By the fire of your mind
The shadow of your destiny"
Sleeping here has a very good conotation. It means that the mind was sleeping when you were born. Then, you gained consciousness, language and logic. That's what the ancient Greek called "fire". The fire of knowledge. The same fire of Prometeus. That fire created the "shadow of the destiny". What caused us to be destined to pursue the simplicity of our roots, the simplicity of life.


The Growth
Through your mind you are conceived
Your awareness ressurected
From the shadows of the mystery
Eternal life in you expressed
Your ego, your persona, it's all conceived through the mind, burying the Self deep in one's soul. The awareness is ressurected when the eternal life of your spirit is expressed through the shadows of the fire, the remanents of your intellect. This is how we grow. We grow by rediscovering the Self that was lost when we gained logic.


The Wisdom
From the universe you have come
And to the universe you belong
Till the day you wake again
In the light of your existance
Here we are about to regain the wisdom we once had.



When we are young, we gain logic so that we can communicate. But once that happens, you lose touch with your Self and you spend the rest of your life trying to rediscover that Self. That's what the poem is about.

PS: Notice how the poem is also structured. All the three stanzas represent 3 stages of life with 4 lines each. And it doesn't glorify adulthood at all! I, myself, would never do that. Neither would the universe.

[TruthSeeker]

Or maybe I mixed up something? :D :lol:

I don't know. It just came spontaneously in 15 seconds.... :o

[scameter]

:D I understand, and I wouldn't ask you to change your poetry. I was simply commenting on it philosophically. And to me, it does appear to be glorifying adulthood, saying that we are born unawakened, but during adulthood from the fire in our minds we are awakened; but to me, it is that we are born awake, then we are disillusionarily blinded by conditioning, then through the fire in our minds we can be reawakened gradually, until, as Taoism says, when we are old we return to childhood, then we die.

[TruthSeeker]

It really depends on which perspective you look from.

We are born unawakened from logic but awaken to the Tao. Then when we grow up, we awake to logic through language but we become blinded from the Tao. It's a catch 22. You cannot communicate without logic, but in order to acquire logic, you have to focus on you mind and therefore lose contact with the Tao! ;)

[scameter]

Indeed, it is a matter of perspective just like anything else in existence. And, from the Taoist point of view, logic is meaningless, especially it's contraption language, which confines our sight and our focus on meaningless symbols of conceptual representations of actual things in existence, causing us to become blinded to actual reality from the shading veil of symbolism. And, this is essentially the view I was taking; but, the view I was taking was expressly not titled Taoist, but was rather my own titless view; that we are born with vision of everything not skewed by conditioning, but are conditioned as we grow up into obligations, responsibilities, and matters of conceptuality not necessary to our progression as an actual human, instead of a mechanical automaton, being most adults. But, if we allow the fire of our mind, already kindled when we are born and that gradually decreases as adulthood invades us, our visionary veil can become removed and burned away, revealing to us a true, entire view of existence, essentially being what Buddhists call enlightenment, giving us a true sense of closeness, and indeed one-ness, with nature, and allowing us clear passage ultimately into Nirvana. :)

[locomotive]

I believe I used logic when I was small.

[TruthSeeker]

One month old?

[locomotive]

I don't know I can't remember.

[TruthSeeker]

If you can't remember, chances are you couldn't use logic.
And logic is not all. The communication of logic is even more significant in this analisys

[scameter]

I agree truthseeker; if you use logic, a focus is required, and it takes a focus to translate actual things in existence into conceptual categories and beliefs, and they are then learned and remembered.

[TruthSeeker]

Which takes the focus away from the Tao. Hence the saying "The name is the mother of the ten thousand things." ;)

Truth :tao:

[scameter]

Or, creates a focus.

[TruthSeeker]

Well, it depends on your perspective! LOL! :lol:

Truth :tao:

[scameter]

And on yours.

[TruthSeeker]

Ok! That's it! :angry:

:boxing:

:twoguns:

:ph34r:

[scameter]

:knockout:

[TruthSeeker]

:rofl:

[scameter]

:D

[locomotive]

I didn't find an answer to my question. can't logic depend on for example images? after all our language is based on images.

[TruthSeeker]

Yes. But language is the primary tool we use. Besides, you cannot communicate without language.

[scameter]

Yes indeed, logic can depend on images, but it mainly depends on equational sequences and connections that it makes between symbols conceptually, in focused contemplation.

[Smurf]

Besides, you cannot communicate without language.


interesting.... you really think so? so meaning can only be conveyed through words :unsure:

[locomotive]

if you want to look at something you need to move your eyes. that is logic.

[MidnightSun]

yes, sounds logical.

[TruthSeeker]

interesting.... you really think so? so meaning can only be conveyed through words
My child communicates by crying. Do you want to communicate like that? :lol:

[scameter]

If he does or not, crying is still a form of communication. The Egyptians used pictures. Really, they're all simply forms of symbolism, even crying.

[TruthSeeker]

Do you prefer to communicate like that or to use words?

[scameter]

I couldn't tell you, I don't know any pictoral languages, and I don't cry often enough for it to be considered a form of language anymore. Because of my conditioning, of course word symbol language seems the best to me. If I had been raised in ancient Egypt, perhaps a picture language would've felt better to me.

[Smurf]

yes... but there are other forms of communication like this for example:

:D :rolleyes: :think: :blink: :angry:

[TruthSeeker]

I couldn't tell you, I don't know any pictoral languages, and I don't cry often enough for it to be considered a form of language anymore. Because of my conditioning, of course word symbol language seems the best to me. If I had been raised in ancient Egypt, perhaps a picture language would've felt better to me.
Pictures are also symbols....

That's for you too Smurf... :lol:

[scameter]

Yes indeed, but pictures are less conceptual and complicated than words; and, word symbols have no actual similarity to anything in existence, their appearance I mean. But, pictures are written replications of things in existence. Note, this is alot of why, I think, many people consider the Chinese language to be more open and free-form and true in a sense, because of the language's leaning towards a pictoral alphabet.

[Smurf]

what I find annoying though is as westerners we tend to translate the pictures into words then back into meaning, that we can't just admire a painting but we must always give a critique about something very frustrating

[TruthSeeker]

true...

[scameter]

Agreed; perhaps it is our scientific nature, attempting to simply describe, or more appropriately, critisize, everything.

[buzzlightyear1982]

"perhaps it is our scientific nature, attempting to simply describe, or more appropriately, critisize, everything."

It is our human nature to critize everyting, after all do we not fear what we don't know?

[scameter]

No; it is our human nature to be opinionated, and to be curious. But criticism takes an air of arrogance in believing one's self appropriate to critisize something.

[buzzlightyear1982]

"But criticism takes an air of arrogance in believing one's self appropriate to critisize something."

Criticism and arrogance are both learned traits...they are not human nature. However, it is human nature to protect one self in our modern world and those don't do it guns often do it with criticism and arrogance B)