Sex Changes

[scameter]

I have been thinking alot about this lately. Last night, I was sitting there thinking about how much I would like to be homosexual, (if this is too blunt just...well, don't read it I guess :P) and then the thought about having a sex change came to me (I'm male btw). It was almost like that I couldn't even imagine it, much less think it possible. I'm just curious on everyone's view of it here, and if you know me (or want to know me further by asking question to me) your opinion on my possibly having one. :)

[Smurf]

i knew this would appear here, after your discussions on wanting to be a girl. would it be natural? not to damn it, your body you life mate :thumbsup:

[WilliamMckeehan]

well ya ... do whatever u want i personally wouldnt ever like or do that but it would be such a change how do that do that anyway?s :o

[scameter]

I'm not really sure Will, but honestly, I've been thinking about it alot, even more than usual, lately, and to me girls are nearly perfect. Their bodies, their femininity, their intellect, their attitude...except their recent masculinity outburst, which I hate, they are near-perfect. And honestly, I don't see how anyone could want to be anything else. :) And no, I don't think it's unnatural at all. Actually, I'm glad our logic has allowed us to make such a procedure as that to make people naturally born with the mind to be the opposite sex can make their bodies to fit their minds. :)

[MidnightSun]

Heres my opinion. Fate and God gave u this body, it probly had a reason for it, so i wouldnt change my sex hehe :P

[deepakgang]

what about periods and delivery??

[WilliamMckeehan]

i heard about this ... some chimical imbalance at birth make u feel like u should be the sex ur not ... but when we all start we are all the same sex so ... if u truely wanted to do that scameter .... then do it but be carful most girls do seem perfect or atleast i know of one that is ..but they do get angry often :o some of them do anyway

but good luck scameter if u want my advice ... think long and hard about all of this

[Kether]

If you want to be a woman, that's fine.
As William said, you really need to think about this - make sure you really do want to be a woman.
But don't think that just because your mind has many supposedly 'female' qualities, your body is 'meant' to be female. I think that most gender differences are cultural, and that what people think are gender-specific qualities don't have to be.

[scameter]

Midnight, I think that you're right, but you must incorporate that view with the mind and body, not just the body. God or whatever gave me this mind as well as this body, and if my mind sees that my body isn't how it should be, that view is natural. Believe me, I have thought very long and very hard on this. But, I wanted other's opinion on it. In my real life, no one knows I'm bisexual, much less wanting to get a sex change.

And honestly kether, I use to think that, but to me physically, the hormones put out by our bodies make gender different, as does the universal opposites of Yin and Yang, as I see it. And when I speak of feminine and masculine I don't mean female and male, because either could have either. I mean that actually characteristics themselves, the feminine Yin and the masculine Yang. I just look at women, and they're bodies are much more beautiful than men's, even biologically, their "way" is more flowing and natural, they're oftentimes more sensitive and passive (except modernly), and they tend to be more intelligent.

[Smurf]

well you are just changing your image to reflect the person inside? this is okay if you want this.

[WilliamMckeehan]

scameter ... i agree woman have very nice qualitys! :D but i dont know ... that is a compicated subject i would of never thought of EVER in my life lol but good luck friend :think:

[MidnightSun]

Well it doesnt seem that u want sex change coz u think ur meant to be woman. Looks like u think that woman are better creatures (which i kinda agree with :lol: ) so u want be a woman as well.I dont think that sex change could make u better though. Yes, woman is nice , passion ,beauty ect but man has its own features that are nice as well. Brotherhood, freedom seeking, strength, devotion. Well thats not really diffrences between woman and man, just want u to make right decision, dont want u to be sorry or sumthin..but the decision is ur own, so u decide.

[scameter]

lol Will :P

Yes, that it is. And that's not really the reason I want to do this. It's because I believe that I have more womanly characteristics mentally and emotionally, and could better express them by being a woman. Or so I thought, until this morning. I was talking to a friend of mine, a woman, on the phone this morning. Tomorrow's her birthday and I thought she might would want me to come see her today and/or tomorrow. At the end, she said "Well, just tell me when you're coming over. Alright, bye." And that may seem simple, but her attitude changed. She sounded more...mad, or frustrated maybe? It seems like women can and even naturally do change their moods and attitudes by will. Now, if I was to ask a male friend if he wanted to do something for his birthday, he'd most likely say "Yeah sure man, come on over any time you feel like. We could go see a new movie or something, you know. But hey, anytime you want to come over come on. There's always something we can do." Or something to that degree, and that's probably even a little more complicated than the reality male friend, which is because of my feminine augmentation to it. Men seem to be really simple; they just are what they are and try to remain calm and in the same position. Which is good sometimes, but is bad when the male, like myself, has feelings in him that he would like to converse but feel obligated to his masculinity and feels that he shouldn't converse them. Which is why I'm considering homosexuality just as much as a sex change, because I could be more feminine and as could my partner and I wouldn't have to feel obliged to my masculinity, unlike if I'm with a woman. A woman may say they want a man to be more sensitive, but that's not the truth. They want a man to be hard and masculine and to just go to work, make them feel secure and loved, be at their side whenever they wish, and usually obey their command. Some defiance is good, because then the woman can tell her friends about how horrible he is, but that he's just being a man and she loves him. It's a rather unfortunate situation.

[WilliamMckeehan]

well i will say thai there are differences in a man and a woman specialy when they are together and scameter u are right they normaly want to be loved and feel secure and do many things on command :blink: (which can be annoying but they are normaly things that need to be done so i dont mind much it makes me a better person) but i dont now about other girls but my gf likes my sensitive side i can be more sensitive then her at times :o but that is ok that is the way i am and my gf actualy really likes it ... but i also have the "manly" side too so i guess it balances out for me but my point is not all girls want to talk about the guys the meet a few actualy just want them to be together face problems together enjoy time together be like a team it is rather amazing :thumbsup:

but i dont know what to tell u scameter so i wont say anything :)

[MidnightSun]

Oh yes i get a lot of complains about that im weak and hopeless...Believe me, that is not funny :(

[scameter]

Me too midnight, mainly from myself. But, I do try to keep some optimism. :) But, you don't have to stop will. I'm welcome your input, and I understand what you're saying. If such a relationship can be achieved, I'm sure it is beautiful. But, I just personally don't trust people, and I can't help but thinking that even in a relationship that appears as you describe, it's not actually like that. One of them has some selfish, deceptive motive for such closeness. I'm sorry. :(

[scameter]

Sorry, I'm not Catholic. Could you elaborate?

[scameter]

Hmm...although, I read somewhere in a Catholic book that said that St. Francis wasn't this little wonderful nature-loving monk. He was actually alot more...well, normal then that.

[WilliamMckeehan]

well scameter that may be true trusting is hard ... i find my self not trusting a lot of people even my love at times ... but i find out how stupid i look and feel when she was not even lying of course everyone lies but if u are truely that close with some one u will find lying is harder then telling them the truth this has happened to me i have told her EVERY lie i have ever told her and she has done the same or atleast thats what im trusting her to believe .. but i said she is alowed her secerets if she doesnt want to sure anything she doesnt half to but selfish yes we are all a little selfish about this kind of thing as well ... to be truthful my love is more selfish then i am ... she knows it and feels kind of bad but i would hate for her to change but we are both teenagers ... she is younger then i im 17 i will be 18 in april :blink: and she is 14 she will be 15 next month ... im not hear to discuse age issues but if anyone wants to make a comment on it they may ... my real answer to most of it will probably be "love doesnt have an age" but what im trying to say is i am nore grown up then she is naturally we still get along well we are both kind of immature with eachother but its all in fun :thumbsup: but she is still young and at the age were she grows a lot and becomes more mature and less selfish so i dont want her to change but she will and if that changes her mind about "us" then i will understand this ... i took the risk i will fight threw the horrible pain i will more then likely feel some day

im not sure what the real point is other then this ...
scameter not everyone is going to be dishonest and selfish
even though my love maybe a little selfish she has done a lot of things for me! things she has never done for anyone else and i have done the same thing as well

and if it does happen to u ... the chances are u will notice something different about that person that just makes it easy to do these kind of things

[Smurf]

It really does make me sad, almost tears, to hear people that have low self-confidence. i'm really sad right now :(

[deepakgang]

Believe in your love Will. Blindly.Like love.Know that your love is always yours.Never doubt.

[WilliamMckeehan]

i dont not even for a second :thumbsup:

[Smurf]

that's psycho psyhe! :o

how can they do that? the world really is a crap place to be right now :(

[deepakgang]

Everyone around says the world is bad. But we ourselves constitute the world...

[MidnightSun]

Life is suffering. And we will always think the same, because our mind will always see problems and we will think about it more than good things..

Nahh, no sense... :lol:

[Smurf]

and the world constitutes us
yes positive only comes from positive no?

[Smurf]

eating is positive :D

[scameter]

That is your viewpoint and your conditioned opinion psyche.

[Smurf]

well that's my shampooed opinion aswell :lol:








sorry

[scameter]

:P

[Smurf]

yeah sorry about that, pretty crap huh? :D

[Smurf]

heh yeah

i got all washed up after that one

sorry i'll stop now :D

[scameter]

And Godliness is next to deathliness. :D

[WilliamMckeehan]

deathliness is next to peacefulness :)

[scameter]

Peacefulness is next to indifference. :)

[scameter]

But why do we try to become detached? So that we are not hurt by attachments' possible hurting causes. And thus, it can lead to indifference. And, I know the difference; disinterested is that you once had interest but lost it, and uninterested means you never had interest. I think that pure indifference is uninterest, and indifference as a result of prolonged detachment is disinterest.

[sahyo]

we become detached so that our ego is uninvolved...



no

[deepakgang]

...so that our ego doest get affected.

[scameter]

Or infected. We try to become detached in a sort of arrogant way of being superior and also to avoid emotional determent.

[sahyo]

authentic detachment is anything but arrogant...



idea "authentic detachment" a thought fallacy

[scameter]

:unsure:

[buzzlightyear1982]

"idea "authentic detachment" a thought fallacy"

The world authentic is defined as: Conforming to fact and therefore worthy of trust, reliance, or belief: an authentic account by an eyewitness. But I don't really think we really let go of anything, we may push things around in our head according to importants at the time. But we never really let go of anything B)