Not-self Selves

[girl]

How did the notselfs become selfs?

[scameter]

Well, an example of such an occurance would be a nice beginning. :)

[deepakgang]

The question seems interesting but sorry i didint get what it really asked? Could anyone make it in a couple of sentences?

[Wayfarer]

The question is: where do you draw the line for what is volition and what is not volition? What is volition?
Clearly a dog had volition.
What about a flatworm?
There some organisms that can only move toward light and away from light. Do they have volition?
Perhaps self is a continuum from simple to complex with uncertain boundaries.

[Gaiason]

Where do you get the idea that a "not self" becomes a "self?" Are you referring the the concept of Anatta?

[deepakgang]

Also when did the notselfs becpme selfs?? :D

['Q']

Notselves never became selves, since there are no selves.

[Thomas Knierim]

Q: Notselves never became selves, since there are no selves.

Hm, yup, err, I guess so. :P

Would you mind to unban us from the mystification about the meaning of your signature?

Welcome to thebigview.com, Q.

Thomas

['Q']

TK, Thank you.

To demystify.....

te para-prapta sthita paramite hu bhonti
......Sanskrit: "Having acheived the transcendent, fulfill the teaching."

I would like to have used a graphic in the signature line but the software doesn't support this. Have you considerd upgrading to a later version of Invision? I know that Invision Power Board v2.0.4 is available. I don't know the cost and since you are not advertiser supported it may not be feasible.

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['Q']

TK

You have an interesting board here. Your invitation to discuss Buddhism and a variety of other philosophies is ecumenical. I also notice that your introductory essays about Buddhism are taken from both Theravada and Mahayana sources.

Do you practice Buddhism yourself? And if so, what tradition do you follow?

Perhaps you already know that the Heart Sutra, which you present in the introduction index, is only a small part a part of Prajnaparamita Sutras, a collection of over 40 in number. For readers who are interested, go to;

..........<span style='color:blue'>Origin of the Heart Sutra (http://www.dharmaweb.org/index.php/Paper:_Origin_of_the_Prajna_Paramita_Hridaya_Sutra )

Concerning my statement "Notselves never became selves, since there are no selves."

Buddhism states that there is neither a self (since all dharmas are empty) and there is neither a no -self. This concept is derived out of the Prajnaparamita teachings. However, when asked, Shakyamuni Buddha “said that to hold either that there is a self or that there is no self is to fall into extreme forms of wrong view that make the path of Buddhist practice impossible.”

..........~Thanissaro Bhikku ~ No-self or Not-self (http://accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/thanissaro/notself2.html)

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[deepakgang]

But its said that the question itself should be put aside... :huh: