My Intelligence

[scameter]

May i ask this question: I think i am intelligence. or at least somewhat so. and i am definitely aware and sentient, but it does seem as if my memory and my ability to focus and keep a line of thought going has deminished somehow. could it be my OCD? or stress? or that i am trying too hard? or is it that i want to be able to do something once and remember it instantly without any continuous thought on the subject(namely being too critical of myself)? please help me with this. please. i am afraid; my mind is extremely important to me. and i do not want to lose it, or to have my career and professional life and life potential deminished by this. please.... :(

[sonrisa]

scam, go see your school counsellor. I'm not sure if folx posting on a message board can give you the proper advice you need. Insights, certainly, but I think your counsellor can help you more.

[MidnightSun]

the more new the harder is to remember everything. And u can forget it and loose it this way. Small humans brains as i say. Well i wish u luck.

[zewc]

How old are you?

It sounds like you need to calm down and be more mindful in your everyday life.

I agree, memory and memories are so important, and i value mine dearly.

I do agree that perhaps you should see a school councellor, but only if you are open and receptive to what she or he is going to say.

If you are having doubts about your memory, I must ask if you are smoking pot..there is no shame in admitting it, for I have smoked so much in my life, yet I have a PhD in Astrophysics....but I can remeber when I was smoking that it affected me so much, especially my short term memory.

How did i get over it? Exercise, good diet, being patient, meditating, all daily, as well as accepting who you are...and yes, it could be stress, or trying to hard...there is a lot that buddhism can teach you about accepting and loving youself and being patient.

:thumbsup:

[MidnightSun]

well hes meditating, eating healthy food and non--smoking, the only problem is that he has too much of brain :lol:

[zewc]

ah, the biggest curse of all time, thinking to much and not being able to control it.

all i can say is exercise and be active, eat well, be mindful and patient. and of course try to have confidence in yourself.

i thought this was about science and not self help! :P

[MidnightSun]

:lol:

[Thomas Knierim]

Zewc: If you are having doubts about your memory, I must ask if you are smoking pot..

I doubt it's the pot, Zewc, but Scameter said he "has" OCD which stands for obsessive-compulsive disorder, an ICD-10 classified anxiety disorder. OCD can have a variety of effects, but diminished intelligence is not one of them, so no cause for worry, scameter. You are surely an intelligent, responsive chap. But sometimes you shoot too fast. Better hold it back, think about it again, let it settle, then shoot if you must. :lol:

Cheers, Thomas

[zewc]

I agree with Thomas. As midnight sun said before, scameter isnt smoking the wacky baccy, but is suffering from OCD.

As thomas said, slow down and try to be more mindful. As you get old these ideas become second nature (i am assuming that scam is still a teenager?).

:blink:

[sonrisa]

Zewc, Scam is 14. If you click on his username (or anybody's username) you can pull up their profile. If they've filled it out, that is. Not everybody does.

[zewc]

ah, lovely. still getting use to all this... :o

[MidnightSun]

Yeah ,good luck scam, so hard to be a teenager on those days...

[MidnightSun]

I just red one thing today.There is a theory that humans wont be ever smarter than today.Our brains already used the limit of memory.Human has 100 bilions of neurons. The more u are using those things(memory fulled) the harder is remember all of that. And that theory says that humans cant learn more than we know today. Huh :(

[scameter]

absolutely zewc. to me, thinking is the worse curse man can ever have. sorry i wasn't posting here before now, never really found the time to be honest. but, i am thankful of your help and insight my friends. :) but, to be honest, i hate counsellors; i've tried both one school one and many professionals out of school, and i despise them. i'm sorry, i just do. i honestly think that there is no hope for what i have; i must just live with it as best i can.

but, i have recently been trying a new method of thought, or rather not so. no-mind, as was explained by man Eastern cultures and philosophies, such as the samurai, Taoism, and similar philosophies. i am trying it as much as i can, and it is very helpful, when i start thinking about things that would usually cloud my mind and make me depressed because of the abnormallity and futility in thinking such things. i can now think clearer and come up with things such as words when i am wirting and talking and such as that easier, and similar activities. the principle: have a balance of calm and movement between your outside and your inside, as was described by the samurai, has also helped me. thankfully :)

[sonrisa]

Scam, are you by any chance in the gifted class at school? Just asking :)

Mid Sun- throw that theory in the trash. Those are probably the same folx that said we would never go past the speed of sound, we would never fly, much less go to the Moon, we would never split the atom, and so on and so on.....

we only use 10% of our brains. Plenty of room for our species to get smarter.

[scameter]

:lol: why do you ask, sonrisa? but, yes i was. now i'm being homeschooled and i love it. :)

[MidnightSun]

Yes sonrisa ur right, i never atcually believe in that. No worried :hahaha:

[scameter]

maybe not mid, but you did have interest in it, just by talking about it.

[sonrisa]

why did I ask if you were in the gifted class? Becuz you're too damn smart for a 14 year-old.

and you ask questions 14 year-olds generally don't ask

when you get your license you'll be lethal :)

[MidnightSun]

scam smarter than me, come here u little! :boxing:

[todd]

Something from my personal experience.
1. We cannot live if we do not forget. Our life would be impossible if you remember all the little insignificant things like for example, what was the color of the car that passed beside you 2 months ago on the x road...My math teacher, in high school used to say that forgetting if a gift. A good sleep is something that helps this process and this is what I recommend you.
2. Not all the people have the same kind and quality of the memory. For example, I have troubles remembering the names of the people I work with, if I change places. I usually need at least 1 year to remember 50 new names, and I forget 75% of them in 1 year after stopping working with them.
Also my long term memory looks to have a threshold of about 25 years - as I grow older, things that happened more than 25 years ago start fading in my memory, if of course, I do not recall them in the meantime. At this time, I'm 38 and I do not remember any of the names of my colleagues in kindergarten, I remember about 10-15 out of 35 colleagues in primary school, about 75 percent of those from high school, and maybe 10% from the university - there were too many anyway.
On the other hand, I know some people with an amazing memory - they remember every historical date and fact they ever learned about, mathematical formulas, etc...
I always had troubles learning by heart, I had to understand first. Basically, for me understanding meant learning.
3. Intelligence - this is something I consider you mostly are born with. You can add if there is a good skeleton to build on, otherwise is a titanic effort, which I respect, but I do not admire. Intelligence is not related to the volume or quality of the knowledge you possess, but it is that quality of understanding and seeing relationships between facts, and foreseeing results others can't. I have met people with an extraordinary intelligence but they were analphabets. I also met a chess champion that was lacking intelligence and had a terribly slow mind. This is why most of the IQ tests are not accurate. Some of them require too much math, some too much language abilities – and these have nothing to do with intelligence.

P.S. Do not think twice when posting here, feel free when you do it, say what you think and not what you think you should say, this is why we are here...

[scameter]

:) do you really think me that intelligent, sonrisa? i mean, i believe you, it's just that i don't think i'm really that intelligent. i wish there were like some questions other than that diluded IQ test that i could answer that would show how intelligent i am.

:D mid: :twoguns: :P

[Ronagon]

scam,

Don't take school as an indication of your intelligence. Most of school is not about presenting you with logical reasoning exercises in order to develop your logical thinking ability, it's about conditioning students to have a mystical respect for blind obedience to anyone pretending to be authority.

Much of our mind's ability to perform tasks like schoolwork correctly, depend on 1) whether or not we have more pressing psychological priorities than the schoolwork is addressing, or 2) whether the assignment requires us to actually think, or simply to blindly follow some teacher agenda.

School could and should be about objectivity. Instead, it is mostly about politics and politicizing the human brain.

[MidnightSun]

If u think ur iteligent that means ur not. i think im inteligent so that means im not, thats why i say im stupid.

"The more u know, the more questions appears and it makes u look silly to urself" - arristotel i suppose.

[Thomas Knierim]

MS: If u think ur iteligent that means ur not. i think im inteligent so that means im not, thats why i say im stupid.

Interesting logic! You should take into consideration that smart people would see through this feigned self-exorciation and then assume that you are actually stupid, because saying so means that you are trying to cover up the fact that you think you are intelligent, which means -as you suggested- that you're stupid. To this class of people you should therefore state that you are intelligent. Then again, very smart people might even see through the double cover. In these cases you should say you are stupid, because saying that you are intelligent would indicate your desire to avoid downplaying your intelligence by stating that you are stupid, which means that you are thinking of yourself as intelligent, which means -according to your logic- that you are stupid. :think:

You see the predicament?

The only valid solution to this logical puzzle is to think of yourself as stupid.

:lol:

Cheers, Thomas

[MidnightSun]

:lol: thnx that u interested about all this, im tellin that all the time. U know im not trying to brag somehow, its just if i think im inteligent that means im not, so i say im stupid :P. The ones who think that they are inteligent only says that they are better and that is not smart ;)(i hope it took no offence). Anyway its true, if ur think ur inteligent that mostly means ur not. (maybe except those cases when really dum person says hes dum :lol: coz he notices other ppl are smarter but its hell smart to think this way too, i hope im making some sense here).

Cheers, Me

[MidnightSun]

Well that havent meant u have to think ur stupid :lol: but on the other hand it makes u to reach more and more... :think: Yeah predicament fits here...

Ur smart when others thinks u are..i guess...

Yeah the more u know the more questions appears, so many questions u cant answer and u became to look stupid for urself :lol:

Just dont think ur smart or not, less headache.By the way that was wise too :lol:

[scameter]

i know, ron. believe me. it's why i'm being homeschooled; hardly any authority there but my own.

lol thomas. no, i think it's to be honest, and to allow others to view you as they see fit.

pluss, for me personally, i don't think i'm smart, or at least not as smart as most people think i am. but, that is my doubting mind and my low self-esteem, so essentially i am smart i just don't notice it, which can be good because then i'm not arrogant, which i'm not, but also that i doubt myself so and think that i'm lower than i am, which causes me to not be able to do the intellectual things that i could and want to do. but, remember too, that there is a difference in knowledge and wisdom; i myself prefer no-mind, like in Taoism's wu wei. it's alot less painful :)

[Thomas Knierim]

MS: U know im not trying to brag somehow...

I know. Just playing games. All I am saying is that there are levels of complexity which you might not yet see at age 15.

When you were born, the Eastern Bloc was falling apart, the German reunification occurred, we had personal computers, Ethernet, and mobile phones. To me this just seems like yesterday. :lol:

How's life in Lithuania?

Cheers, Thomas

[MidnightSun]

:lol: well first of all im not 15, im 14 as scam...And yes its damn hard to learn something in this country, its still very poor and cant get me enough information i want. Backward savages :lol:

[MidnightSun]

And yes i agree the age is important coz the wisdom comes with it, but also we dont know how many lifes we each had, so... :P

[MidnightSun]

...and get me some books from thailand :D

[scameter]

i think that age means nothing except by the limitations that society places on it to limit those of such "low" ages to that they cannot learn some things that adults have the opportunity to learn, and rather are conditioned to only learn and want to learn certain things, to only think within the deminuative skin of the laws of society to make those in youth feel as if they are so, youthful, and that they are below those of more time in this world(time being something, too, only man made, like age.) and to not think freely, but rather only in the confines of that skin. but, i do agree, scientifically, that we do "age" physically, in that we use our body and so it creases and wares as any machines would and that gravity also causes age, but the mental properties thereof associated are void. there have been many, many times where a younger person has much more wisdom and intelligence than one of older "age", and there are also cases of the vise versa, however more abundant one is to another is irrelevent, because both happen. and i think that that should be taken into accordance with the normal talk of "age". :)

[sahyo]

:applause: :thumbsup: :applause:

[scameter]

:D thank you, thank you. :D :)

[Thomas Knierim]

scameter: i think that age means nothing except by the limitations that society places on it to limit those of such "low" ages to that they cannot learn some things that adults have the opportunity to learn...

Then you are in error. Age means experience. Nothing more, nothing less. There are some things that you can do only with experience. And there are other things that you can only do with youth.

"I am not young enough to know it all." (Oscar Wilde)

Cheers, Thomas

[sahyo]

Age means experience.

no meaning except which is imagined as though meaning

[sahyo]

which u labeling 'age' is only appearing-imaging which u imagining as though "experience"

[sahyo]

s :D camater

[MidnightSun]

Age does not mean experience ,but the more time ur here, the more time u have to gain that experience :)

[venom mama]

age is experience. when i was 19 i thought i knew so much, now 10 years later i know that i was only a child. wisdom does come from experience. i've lived a rather adventurous life so i think i'm pretty wise. i have a view of the world that could only have come from my travels through it. for those of you that are so young do not be so quick to be older. there are many lessons that come with time that you will wish you never had to learn. there are young people wise beyond their years and there are older people who are simple fools. life only gives you what you take from it, how much you're willing to learn. if i had the chance to go back and be 19 i would not do it. i would never give up the times that i've had. sure there are some parts of my past that were difficult to experience, but i am who i am now because of those lessons. like they say, what doesn't destroy you makes you stronger. i could take on the world and come out shining because i know what its about. and i can only say that because of age and experience.

[sahyo]

:blink:

[scameter]

yes, but not every young person is a little innocent child borne from life, blind to it. and not all adults or even elderly people are experienced and wisened. and yes Thomas i agree that age is experience, and maybe from a more limited viewpoint experience could merely mean how long you have existed here, but to me experience means what you have just that, experienced, not what you have "experienced" from the limited viewpoint. because from that latter viewpoint i could just stand in one spot my entire life, in a little cave somewhere, darkness blinding me to the rest of life, being fed and watered just enough to live, the weather never changing, the food and water sterile, and if i had lived like that for 90 years i would be seen, from that viewpoint, as very experienced, whereas from the former viewpoint that person would have experienced nothing.

[MidnightSun]

I hope i'll ne smart when i will grow up :hahaha:

If u would stay in cave for 90 years u would have experience about the cave only...Other worlds wuld be unclear for u.

[scameter]

right, which to me shows that the time your body has existed is irrelevent, but only what you have experienced.

[sahyo]

which to me shows that the time your body has existed is irrelevent, but only what you have experienced.

so would still say "age is experience"?


:)

[MidnightSun]

But if body is irrelevent (sure it is) and only exp imoprtant, u cant share it with others without body, so it should be important a bit.

[scameter]

not really asheera, because experience can be defined in two ways: time spent in existence. and things experienced. if it was only the latter one than yes i would, but it can be both so no.

right, the body is important because if it wasn't it wouldn't be here, but the sharing of experience is not necessary to have experience. i would say that a lone hermit is experienced, but has hardly if ever shared it.

[sahyo]

experience can be defined in two ways: time spent in existence. and things experienced.

does not idea "time"-"in existence"-"things" require imagining as though can separate?

[MidnightSun]

So lone hermit is shitty coz he never shared exp. I think that the importance is not how many exp u have ,but how many of it u have shared with others.

[scameter]

somewhat asheera, but seperation or combination are really irrelevent; is what is relevent is people's view of them.

i think that's wrong mid. to me, aloneness is beautiful, i prefer it. and i do not think anyone is "shitty" for being alone or prefering to be alone. and, amount of experience is all that matters from a temporal viewpoint.

[sahyo]

somewhat asheera, seperation or combination are really irrelevent; is what is relevent is people's view of them.

can word differently? :)

[scameter]

umm i can try :) .

"time"-"in existence"-"things" cannot be seperated, but rather are seperate already and so do not need seperation. but, that doesn't really matter. is what does matter is one's experience in that inseperate combination of "time"-"in existence"-"things" , which's definition is defined in two ways: time spent in existence, and things experienced.

[sahyo]

thanking :D

will post response when body rested...
was awake nightmorningafternoon

[MidnightSun]

I like alonilness the most too, its quiet (as my quizz says) ,peaceful thing and so on, but i want others to enjoy it too, thats why im taughting ppl what i know...

[scameter]

i know i know nothing. and i wish not to tell anyone so. people are much better in their blissful ignorance.

[sahyo]

time"-"in existence"-"things" cannot be seperated, but rather are seperate already and so do not need seperation.

but, that doesn't really matter. is what does matter is one's experience in that inseperate combination of "time"-"in existence"-"things" , which's definition is defined in two ways: time spent in existence, and things experienced.


look(ing) without eyes

[sahyo]

i know i know nothing. and i wish not to tell anyone so.

maybe not stop as though 'where'?

people are much better in their blissful ignorance.

is that so?

[scameter]

indeed asheera.

where being everywhere is that applicable, if that's what you meant.

yes. it is so. everyday i go out and i see these people who are not aware even in the slightest of anything but their little lives, and thrilled with it. then i see very few aware people, but the ones that are are miserable. i just think that ignorance is better.

[Kether]

Psychologists commonly identify nine types of intelligence. People's are intelligent in different ways, and one type of intelligence may be stronger in them than other kinds.

1. Naturalist Intelligence
The discrimination between different kinds of natural objects; distinguishing different kinds of cat, for example. Part of the human love of categorising, a useful evolutionary tool.

2. Musical Intelligence
The ability to discern between different pitches and rhythms. There is a correlation between this and mathematical intelligence, and musicians often also have a high emotional intelligence.

3. Logical-Mathematical Intelligence (Number/Reasoning Smart)
The ability to find patterns and correlations in abstract ideas, namely numbers.

4. Existential Intelligence
Ability to contemplate 'deep' questions, to search for philosophical meaning in the universe.

5. Interpersonal Intelligence
A sensitivity to the feelings and motives of other human beings; skills with human relationships.

6. Kinesthetic Intelligence
The mind has a high degree of control over the body; good coordination skills, etc.

7. Linguistic Intelligence
The ability to use language to appreciate and express complex meaning.

8. Intra-personal Intelligence
An appreciation of oneself.

9. Spatial Intelligence
The ability to think and visualise in three dimensions.

[Kether]

Interesting discussion re. age and intelligence.

It's funny how there are three 14-year-olds on this board, but no 13- or 15-year olds.

[Kether]

It's interesting how some people are prodigiously gifted with one type of intelligence, ie mathematical reasoning skills, but have serious defects in other fields, like interpersonal or intrapersonal intelligence - like the stereotypical international chess champion who is insecure and temperamental.

[Ronagon]

There's a recent book called On Intelligence, by Richard Hawkins, that presents the radical notion that intelligence is nothing more than the incessant and compulsive making of predictions of all degrees of importance.

He says that, in order to ever design intelligent machines, we have to first understand this fact, and then engineer circuit patterns that not only can -- but, rather must, compulsively... by their very design -- make predictions. Then they will be intelligent.

He then goes on to say that, with this model in mind, intelligence can be as vast as there are sensory systems to receive input to the prediction circuitry.

Since all intelligence is nothing more than prediction, you can design one basic prediction circuit and just re-use it all over your machine brain, endlessly. You can then have your machine make predictions about its visual input, predictions about its tactile input... even its audio input... and so on. Then, you can link these prediction centers together, to yet another prediction circuit, which will then make predictions about those predictions.

He says that this is what you see in the brain... one basic prediction circuit, used everywhere, but just wired to receive different inputs. This is why, through a microscope, all cortical parts of the brain look largely identical to each other, even though specific "task centers" arise to handle certain types of processing, like visual and language info. The designation of those areas turns out to be arbitrary, although the consistency of their locations seems to be very consistent across different people.

He says that, using this model, you could conceivably design things like "earthquake brains", or "hurricane brains", or "pollution brains", which all receive sensory input from sensors set up all over the world, and then make predictions about likely trends and, thus, recommendations for action.

It's all pretty astonishing. A truly great book.