European Religions

[scameter]

I find it very sad to now see that all Europeans, and those of European decent, all worship a religion not even native to them. of all the regions of the world, Europe is the only one now without a religion native to it still alive. it is very sad. i have studied what people now call the old Celtic and Viking myths, which were actually religions, and they are really very interesting; they show a side of us as Europeans that is not shown usually in normal, day-to-day society now. we were different back then, stronger, more religious, more natural to ourselves in my opinion. it is rather sad that we have faded from ourselves so.

[MidnightSun]

yeah i agree, humanity was strong, but it felt and we must do something really soon or it will be gone.

[scameter]

true. but, if it does go away obviously the majority of humanity wanted it to be so, and, as Napoleon rightly knew, the mob is it, omniscient. :)

[MidnightSun]

I dont know if its a myth ,theory or something but that something says that earth must hold 7 races. It was lemurs (titans) ,atlantis, arians (humans), two races before all of them and now its kinda time for new one. Do u know that human males arent so affective to breed now, and a lot of female cant have kids(they borns sterility). Why? Because its evolution. Cities cant contain so much people, so its natural evolution that humans becomes sterility. And so someone else will replace us.Who? It says suneaters! You know the more people borns diffrent now. Really inteligent and....and they dont have to eat (at least so much) because they absorbs sun energy looking at it for 40 minutes!!! And they dont eat and drink less...I know it weird :lol: ,anyway, simple man can learn that too (somekind of russian took 7 years). So she dont need to eat or drink even now, also she learnt seeing future and a lot of crap like this, so its kind of evolution beside human and what?

I dont know what to think and i dont know if its true so decide urselfs, i cant believe that myself anyway and i dont wanna humans to disappear...

[sonrisa]

There was an article about suneaters in Pravda last January(click here) (http://english.pravda.ru/science/19/94/377/14815_autotroph.html)

As for the Lemurians, Atlanteans, etc, Mme Blavatsky wrote about them. She called them root races. She was Russian, btw.

[MidnightSun]

oh! thnx for typing that here so now ppl wont think im a madman :lol:

Only when all rivers have run dry
And all the fish in the sea have died
Only when all the rainforests have been burnt down
And there is no food for the animals
Only when all the blue skies have been filled with smoke
And the cities of the world have choked
Will the white man understand that its too late to save the earth.

(Native American poem)

[scameter]

with you writing that poem my friend, i do find it very saddening to see that the Native Americans died. i truly, personally, believe them to be one of the best civilizations to ever exist, period. they were spiritual, simple, extremely natural, appreciative of nature, not very warlike, had no diseases of any kind, and were extremely kind and respectful of each other. to me, that is the closest to perfection man has ever gotten. and now, they're all gone. isn't that wonderful! (sarcasm) :D

[MidnightSun]

yeah, pitty it hapened, so we should try to save ouselves too

[scameter]

true. but, that saving seems almost impossible. mainly because no-one wants it, or are usually even aware of how horrible we are contemporarily. it is sad. :(

[MidnightSun]

i think this race sucks but im caring about it too so i want it to survive, unfortuneatly noone else thinks same. Ppl say they have one life only and they dont care about disastears in future coz they will be long dead, well its not true and they're thinking wrong, we should care about ourselves and the planet.

[todd]

As far as history tells us, Europe was at first populated by Arian tribes, and later suffered countless Asian migrations. Northern Europe was scarcely populated and in fact most of the actual nations in Europe except Romans and Greeks have been born Christian, during the first millenium. There was no "European" religion before that, and various cults practiced by the ancient tribes have been lost quickly. There are though some local traditions that remember of old cults in many areas but they are very different.

[Smurf]

I think that the Human race should have learned from its mistakes by now, ie the killing of innocent indigenous races. :(

[scameter]

Yes Asians did migrate into Europe. But that did not extinguish completely the ancient, tribal European religions, such as the Celtic and Norse religions. Europse did have a culture of it's own, it wasn't always so bland as it is now.

[Thomas Knierim]

scameter: Europse did have a culture of it's own, it wasn't always so bland as it is now.

It's funny you mention that, since it is the Americas which are "guilty" of the "crime" of importing a religion rather than Europe. Technically, Christianity orginated in a region that constitutes the border between Asia and Europe. However, it is important to note that this area is the cradle of European civilisation. Christianity later rose to power in central Europe and it was brought to the Americas by the European colonialists. If there is any European religion, it is Christianity. Yes, the culture, myths, and beliefs of the ancient tribes in Germany, France, and England were supplanted. But they were supplanted by a European powers, i.e. the Roman empire and the Byzantine empire.

Cheers, Thomas

[scameter]

Yes they were supplanted by Europeans powers such as Rome, but that does not discount the existence of the tribalistic European religions and superstitions. The northern Europeans i.e. the French, Scandanavians, Germans, and Brittish all had their own religion and culture. It was with the push of Rome into the north of Europe that brought about the rise of Christianity. That does not count it as their lead religion.

[todd]

When you talk about French, Germans, British and Scandinavians, I suppose you mean the tribes populating the lands of these present countries, because the Germanic tribes, Goths, Visigoths, Huns (Finland), Slavs, etc. came much later.
Basically there was only scatered nomad population known over most Europe, and you cannot really talk about culture or civilisation.

[Smurf]

well he didn't say civilisation, but did say culture and if there wasn't many people there then who was opposing the might of Rome? there were many tribes which had their cultures and they all contributed to the Paganistic religion. then as Scam said the coming of Emperor Constantine was the first emperor to practise Christianity and made it the Roman Empire's main religion. also that Christmas Day is in fact not the actual birthdate of Christ but was a Pagan celebration that the Christians adopted in order to make the transition smoother

[todd]

there were many tribes which had their cultures and they all contributed to the Paganistic religion
What Paganistic religion?

During those times world was mostly savage and tribes outside the civilized Roman Empire and the other few centers of civilization, constantly harassed their borders. The most powerful of them originating in Central/North Asia, and for millennia nobody interfered with their cults, that have been lost anyway. Only the civilized regions of the world maintained their religions. Religion is more than a cult, it has social power.

[scameter]

Exactly todd, there were savage and barbaric tribes in Europe particularly the north, which had their various paganistic supersitions and myths, especially the Norse men. Even if all of you say that tribes moved into Scandinavia and made those old Norse myths and religions, I would not believe you, because those myths are genuine to the Norse. And I don't mean their modern reproductions by both modern people and monks; I mean the genuine myths which the modern ones derive from. Europe did have a culture, and it's roots are still there, even if the tree is burnt down. And it was a very interesting and beautiful one. I know that most people do not particularly like Europeans anymore, which I think is sad, but they must admit that what I say is true. :) Oh and by the way smurf, you said it all. :)

[todd]

Scameter, I'm not trying to make you believe anything. It is your choice to like or trust history information or not. By the way I'm European, with deep European roots, I studied European history, and I did not ever feel the dislike you are talking about, by the contrary.
In my opinion, histories are subjective and biased depending on the author, but overall, given the diversity of informational sources, the general image should be close to what really happened. It is not a question whether you like it or not, if the human evolution could have been one or another. Inventing theories based on the fact that you don't like the path humankind followed is just pure fiction.
I observed you tend to believe and trust only what you can think, sense, imagine or comprehended - this is a known approach of metaphysical theories, and yes, you can build your own image of the world and reality, which is your own truth. The problem is that the general truth is only one. I do not mean the absolute truth, or our own personal truth which are all different, I mean the statistic general acceptance of facts as being true. This doesn't mean that it happened that way, just that most people believe it did. And changing it requires more than a personal opinion.

[scameter]

You're right. Most people do tend to merely accept the common belief and view on things and lack the creativity required to further imagine other views. And that is the easiest, honestly most human way of doing it; accepting the easy and physical of things, the common herd's view of truth because they are usually too afraid or lazy to try to imagine anything else. Not to say you are like this, but you do seem to follow the common, "proved" "truth". Which hey, that's your way and your life and trust me, I do not care to change it. And honestly, I'm coming to know that most people are NORMAL, and that I am not, and so my inquiry and my try of creativity is vain and futile, and winds up being a pointless argument that results naughtly. And unfortunately this truth I have seen is leading me to not give a damn about voicing my opinion, my view, or caring enough to show someone else a different view possible for their choosing. But, I'm glad you're willing to waste your time telling me what you do. It is abnormally kind of you, and I thank you for being so patient. :)

[Smurf]

aww i give up there is no point me saying anything, because anything i do say .. i dunno, it is probably happening now. don't mind me, actually just ignore this post.

[scameter]

Why do you say that my friend? :)

[Smurf]

oh that was one of those places in human nature where if you do anything you might be scrutinized. you know the sort? don't mind me, :D

[todd]

scameter, I have to disagree and I can tell you why.
I interacted with many people in my life, from convicts, peasants, analphabets to writers, scientists, politicians and religious leaders and I can tell without any doubt there was none of them I couldn't learn something valuable from.
It is true, we all have our own vision upon life, our own truths, but everyone else does too and for me it was not important that they were different than mine.
My acceptance is that there is no absolute truth, and mine is not absolute either, even for myself. I learned that everyone else's worth to be listened to and his vision respected and in this way my idea of truth is changing constantly. My truth sounds better for me, but I cannot really tell if it is closer to the absolute than anyone else's.
Expressing my own view upon things to others is not a lesson I try to teach them, but simply submitting my beliefs to their criticism. They may validate or not my thoughts, and thus help me get closer to the absolute I will never reach. I do not need someone to take my views for granted, my mission ends at the point I'm glad I presented my point of view clear enough for him to able to understand mine. There is no need or wish in me for them to accept it. I know that somehow, just by making them aware of a different opinion I enlarged their. And my understanding of things grows in many ways. The process of presenting my view means applying some principles I believe in to a certain new situation, and I can discover new facets or flaws. Their acceptance or rejection also builds my internal view continuously, or their arguments my alter my opinion.
Being too unreasonably confident or stubborn on your opinion leads to self isolation.

[scameter]

You're right. And honestly, I think that people too often forget philosophy's true definiton: a passion for wisdom. I love wisdom, and I'm sure all of you do too or you wouldn't be trying to accumulate(or rather see it clearly) it. And I that is why it saddens me so to see those who call themselves philosophers overly applying logic to said field, when wisdom is the key. To me, the Asian philosophies are the best ever created; they are realistic, practical, and wholy and completely and inhumanly honest. Zen, Buddhism, Taoism, and some of the other philosophies(not religions) are in the perfection as I described. I recently got a book called Tantra, or rather my dad picked it out for me, and unfortunately I was too mad at the time to recognize his and the book's beauty. I do hope to read it soon, as I looked forward to reading, and still do, the other Asian philosophies. Zen is my personal favorite, but to me that is because it essential compiles all the Asian philosphies into one, but that is non-philosophical, non-scientific, and non-religious. It merely...is, as does everything, but most things are recognized as being so. Well, thanks my friends for existing and living with me, breathing the same air I breath and feeling the same heart I feel. :)

[MidnightSun]

cute :)

[scameter]

:P Cute? I think you're cute too. :D

[MidnightSun]

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why there arent any of those "malish" ones? :lol:

[scameter]

:P That one'll do. :D

[MidnightSun]

Ok but then ur the girl one :D

[Smurf]

http://www.unitethecows.com/forums/images/smilies/smurf.gif :P

[scameter]

That's fine. :)

[scameter]

Yes, but the irony of that is that it originated in the culture of the Jews, and that in the Bible, it says that the Jews are and always will be God's people, and he calls others things such as heathen and unknowing ones and such.

[scameter]

But there is more to it than just what Jesus said. All of it should be read, but it should be understood that alot of what it says is metaphorical, as the Catholic church has recently said, even though they are still not seeing clearly.

[scameter]

Yes, because there is nothing more to Jesus than what he said. He was a person only defined by his words, nothing more. Wow, I'm glad you're not adherent to the Zen view. :D

[MidnightSun]

Live peacefully, do nothing. :D

[WilliamMckeehan]

Live peacefully, do nothing.


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i like that advice but im afraid i can not follow it anymore but i do not mind very much :lol:

[MidnightSun]

I say: live peacefully, do good :)

[Venus]

All I should say really is: "There is such thing as the truth" and "History is written by the winners" That's why I have no based religon.
My true religion is Jesuit/Buddhist/ancient Greek's religion...

Btw. I'm going to study the Europian religions. I think it could be connected to Atlantis. I could go on for hours about my theory... (I not intend to blow my own trumpet by the way...)
My mother thinks Atlantians were aliens... Who sunk it when their experiment failed... I might start a thread about Atlantis/ains/the Nehpilim/aliens/Arieans...

[scameter]

Wow, I'd like to post my theory on Atlantis too my friend. :) I've kindof forgotten it, but I could remember it relatively easily. :D

Well psyche, honestly I'm not sure. I think I said it because in Zen, teaching is mainly experiencial, but the buddhist view actually came to me even easier so let's say I meant I'm glad you're not buddhist, which makes even less sense because they say that two buddhas can't talk because words are too empty to contain their equally wise words and that the discussion between two non-buddhas is also pointless because there is nothing pointful to discuss between them, that the only pointful talk is the discussion between a buddha and a non-buddha because of the occasional possibility of hints at buddhahood given from a buddha to a non-buddha. lol :blink: :D

[WilliamMckeehan]

i consider myself as nothing ... i dont know what u would call what i do but all i do is try to be happy thats my kind of religion :D dont listen or care about what other people say dont try to be somthing for some type of popularity just be happy and blissful but the bad thing about this is ... u get rather lazy i have become pretty lazy and a little bit more fat :lol: but im mostly happy... but others in my family are not i am almost 18 (2 more months) and im going to have to get my act together but i enjoyed my time not having to grow up and i think i made it worth while but that time is almost past its time to get to work :thumbsup: :boxing:

[scameter]

Then please, if you would, describe this "sameness" to me psyche. :) And, why is it time to get to work Will?

[Smurf]

well Scam, perhaps there is an elephant which represents truth? then the different religions are grasping at different parts of the elephant, if you get me? :lol:

i think Psyche?

[scameter]

Hmm...yes, the bouquet is pretty good, like that all the various religions are the various flowers in existence, and combining them together in various, yet whole ways forms a bouquet of flowers/religions. And, all flowers are related and similar, and thus too are religions. :)