Love

[WilliamMckeehan]

i have a question about a interesting subject "Love" i just want to know what some of you think about this topic ... is it real? can it actualy be as powerful then it seems to be some times

ya sorry if this is a dumb topic or if its been done before or somthing like that i have just been thinking about it a little and ya the people from this site can expain and say things that really make u think "wow i never thought of that" :think:

[...]

is it real

..yes...

can it actualy be as powerful then it seems to be some times

..yes, and if you need to know more, just ask...

[WilliamMckeehan]

short and simple i like it :lol: expected a little more but ... it works i guess .. thanks if i think of any questions i will ask dont have any at the moment

[fu*]

Is the "love" you are talking about like this?....

"She thinks I am special, Better than the others", (just as I suspected I was) And so very powerful in confirming my specialness, my uniquness, my beauty...ah..."love". And my "love" for her is real. After all, how could I not "love" someone who confirms my specialness, my uniquness. She see's what I see, and so I will try to return the favor, and she will feel this "love" also.

Is that the "love" you are talking about?

[WilliamMckeehan]

interesting ... that is probably how most people look at it blind from the truth but no that is not the "love" im speaking of.
i asked this question because i think i might be "in love" :think:
i truthfully dont know if i am or not i am not sure of what it is but my idea of it is ... a stronger sence of caring you love some one that you really care for and will think of them before your self some one that is special that you can tell them anything with ease some one you always want to be around and miss every second there gone ... thats my idea of it anyways im probably wrong :knockout: or maybe there are diffrent levels of it... or maybe theres is no such thing it is just a feeling that forms in are brian either way it seems to be strong. very strong.
when i first had this feeling i got scared and nervous most scaryest thing i have ever felt but i would not give it up for anything.

-fu* you seem to act as i once did which is not a bad thing you seem to understand things and can see the truth in it ... i could be wrong though

but i found i was never happy when i was like that smart but not happy and to me the meaning of like is happyness so i picked that

thank you for your imput :thumbsup:


-will

[...]

..William, if you truely are in love, there's no second guessing, no doubt about it. It poures out of you whether you like it or not, and the hardest thing to do is to not attach conditions to that feeling, altough it might very well be the best feeling you've ever had. There's a nice saying in dutch:' Houden van is laten gaan', it means: 'to love is to let-go'. What it means you have to find out for yourself, if you haven't already. Wishing you all the best...

[sojourner]

i so agree..

you can say you love when you are willing to give up the need to understand. when nothing makes sense and yet they make complete sense. when you are ready to just ride the beast and hold on.

i have once (or twice) been in your position. i have learned the hard way to let go of my obsession with rationality and understanding. that's why the gods and the superheores were forbidden to fall in love. because when passions take over, there's no telling what will happen next. as i've said, you just ride the beast and hold on.

there's this musical, "once on this island", where the god of love and the god of death were arguing as to who is the stronger. the god of love was adamant that he is the stronger one. i believe that he is. and by extension, love is also stronger than fear. i used to be fearful of love. but then i guess, if it is true love, then it will conquer fear. the passion for that other person will override any apprehension or fear.

ergo, love is when you give up wanting to understand and when you fear no longer.

hope i was able to help.

ask away. think out loud. :hahaha:

[WilliamMckeehan]

thanks for all the feedback it has helped a lot :D



ergo, love is when you give up wanting to understand and when you fear no longer. this made me think a lot and i agree with it :thumbsup: but that also might mean i am not in love?

[sojourner]

o-oh. :uhoh:

:)

[sojourner]

[but that also might mean i am not in love]


there is also the soulmate. :)

[WilliamMckeehan]

oh ya! :o forgot about that maybe that is what i have been feeling? :think:

[sahyo]

no shore to break upon
loving

[fu*]

WM >>>that is probably how most people look at it blind from the truth but no that is not the "love" im speaking of<<<

I may not be understanding what you are trying to say, but that statement seems to be contradictory.

>>>some one that is special that you can tell them anything with ease<<<

And that makes you (self) feel good, doesn't it.

>>> some one you always want to be around and miss every second there gone<<<

And that makes you (self) feel good, doesn't it.

>>>when i first had this feeling i got scared and nervous most scaryest thing i have ever felt but i would not give it up for anything.<<<

I hope you dont think I am trying to talk you out of a feeling. I can't. If you knew where the "feelings" come from, would they disappear? I dont think so. I guess I just prefer exploring self. It doesn't change the doing, or the feeling. Maybe just the noticing.

Over the years I have seen Dotty, and others post that what is "real" does not change. So this "love" this "feeling" that you have now, do you think that this will still be there when you are 60? None of the cells in that body that you love now will still be there.(nor will yours) So what is it that you love?
Is it this body/brain that is changing as we speak?

So since this is a discussion board, I will say that this love is real. As real as hate. As real as anger. As real as pleasure. As real as self.

Please correct me if I am wrong.

fu

[WilliamMckeehan]

:o wow very good points.

yes no one can change my feelings i dont want anyone to
i just like to read the opinions of others specialy the very original ones that come from this website it lets my brian grow and understand just a little bit more <_<

>>>some one that is special that you can tell them anything with ease<<<

And that makes you (self) feel good, doesn't it.

>>> some one you always want to be around and miss every second there gone<<<

And that makes you (self) feel good, doesn't it.


very true its for my self ... but the person that does that for me i do that for her as well so i guess it balances it self out or somthing?

no shore to break upon
loving not sure what it means but thanks for th imput your words are truely wise :D :lol:


either way thank for all the words its awesome to read :thumbsup:

[sahyo]

:D* :lol:



:D hehe



thank



thank

[WilliamMckeehan]

asheera- :thumbsup:

[sahyo]

:)- will

[sahyo]

oop

[sahyo]

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[bito]

[color=gray]no shore to break upon
loving</span>

w :love: tering

[WilliamMckeehan]

:thumbsup: well thanks for all the feedback every one but i dont need to ask this question any longer every one was a great help thank you again

[sahyo]

bito
WillMc
:D

[vicente]

I had wrote a post on love:

Most Christians believe the God they invoke while spreading their faith, is love. However, in the whole of their Holy Book, the Bible, it only suggests the idea that their God is love at the very end, in the late 2nd Century apology 1John. In fact, when viewing the full length and breadth of the Bible, their Patriarch is clearly a murderous, pro-slavery, vacillant, petty, racist, conditional God. And amazingly, a God who is so insecure, that it demands to be worshiped, obeyed and prayed to.

Christian love, like the love of their God, what they often call agape, is merely a conditional love. To better understand this type of love, simply consider the Great Love Chapter of Christendom, Corinthians 13; for example, "love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things", 1 Cor 13:7. Although this form of love, that is, bearing, believing, hoping and enduring is more compassionate then passionate, more commitment orientated then fleeting, it isn't Unconditional Love, but the submission, devotion, expectation and suffering to the conditions of their religions brewed beliefs. Ontosophy on the other hand, understands that no matter how one perceives it, experience born of belief can only be experienced through the condition of that belief. And thus reject Christianity's conditional self-perpetuating delusions.

Passionate or emotional love, is another type of conditional love. This is the love of solicitudal desire and enthralled obsession. Such love is usually, but not necessarily, accompanied by biological, chemical or instinctual love, which manifests a yearning for the welfare, possession and companionship of another. Ordinarily, emotional love is based on something received through physiological or psychological arousal, and commonly includes, as in Christian love, an attached expectation.

The highest love a human can awaken to, is the amoral intimacy of Conscious Love. This is the Love of the Bodhisattva; the wish for the well being and liberation of all; without predisposition, and indifferent towards the consequences to the lover. In other words, as Alfred Orage said, "so she becomes perfectly herself, what matter I?" In regards to Buddhist, most Christians are surprised that they do not believe in a God; but they do recognize Love.
http://www.saigon.com/~anson/ebud/beyond/beyond03.htm
http://www.buddhanet.net/ans73.htm

A wish, in the above context, is not synonymous with hope or desire. Hope and desire belong to an anticipation and expectation of the future. Hope and desire ensues from the thought of lack; that things should be other than they are. A wish on the other hand, is an intention, unencumbered by predisposition; to allow Love to flow, and arrive at its own harmonium.

Individuality is incessantly convinced of its separateness; it bears, believes, hopes, and endures within a perceived encapsulated form, manifesting conditions that perpetually repeat themselves. A wish arises from the Heart of ones Essence. There is no absence of Love, anywhere; only an enshrouding by religions brewed beliefs that have been built against it. Thus, to realize the love that we are, complete and without lack, we simply bring love to another. A Christian cannot do that, because their love is arises from conditions.

The fragrance of love is as a tremendum uncovered by surrendering expectation, and through that immediacy, witness a grand preferenceless reality. A reality of Love's own flow; unveiled of what belief and predisposition think it should be. If America's self-proclaimed moral majority want to cling to their beliefs, so be it. I would suggest however that they consider Jesus' own litmus test for determining the true Christian faithful, as published in the canonized text,...Mark 16:16-18. A true Christian, "the man who accepts baptism,...will be able to drink deadly poison without harm". After all, 1 Thess 5:21 says "prove all things",...and since Christians say there are no contradictions in their Bible, good Christians should readily welcome Jesus' own test. Perhaps some of these David Barton type Revisionists with an agenda to create a theocratic American Nation could lead the way and be the first to prove their faith.

Ontosophy understands that belief implies doubt. It is merely a concept we use to make the unknown palatable. To trust in a monotheistic god, or any belief, is committing ones reliance, dependence, certitude, allegiance and potential transcendence to something that is not ratiocinatively known to be true. If a belief were true, we wouldn't have to believe it. Failure to recognize the false as false, or a belief as that which suppresses, denies, disempowers and disconnects, is the ruination of destiny's and self-sabotage of the full expression of ones inherent talents.

If we are to trust, let our trust be with something we can never leave and that can never leave us. Let our trust be in love. We do not need to understand it fully. Love is not something that has been canonized, or whose definition has been closed to change, like Christian scripture. To trust in old myths, is not love, but blind faith perpetuated by our ancestors; a behavior no less than insane. Simply consider the hundreds of conditions that the Judaeo-Christian-Muslem Gods put on their faithful. Of course, to divert the truth and preserve the lie, their faithful insist on playing pick-n-choose with what the Bible actually says. Is it really a wonder why Christian conservatives understand the dynamics of truth suppression so well?

Thomas Paine wrote, "It has often been said that anything may be proved from the Bible; but before anything can be admitted as proved by the Bible, the Bible itself must be proved to be true; for if the Bible be not true, or the truth of it be doubtful, it ceases to have authority, and cannot be admitted as proof of anything." Considering that, just imagine if lying was crime. If it was, the Abrahamic religions would be no more than a few artifacts on the back walls of our local museums.

We'll have plenty of time to debate what love is. After all, love is inherent to all our natures, the essence beneath the belief laden veils of our Human Beingness; and not determined by religious affiliation. To me, Love is the true intent of America. A Nation intended to be both free from, and free to, practice the religious delusion of their choice; although there certainly should be a NC-17 clause attached (no children under 17).

When we evict the faith-based politicians, who have been making illegality legal, from our Country, and dispose of the unconstitutional Christian Motto "In god We Trust", perhaps we could embrace the Motto 'In Love We Trust' to encourage us to fulfill the dream of America's Founding Fathers,...Of many, One.

Vicente Marco
Albuquerque, NM


to understand Who you are, you must realize Where and When you are

[sahyo]

If we are to trust, let our trust be with something we can never leave and that can never leave us. Let our trust be in love.

suggesting fear-trust, seek reassurance-certainty, thought as though "our trust" "be with" "something"?


:)

[bito]

The fragrance of love is as a tremendum uncovered by surrendering expectation, and through that immediacy, witness a grand preferenceless reality. A reality of Love's own flow; unveiled of what belief and predisposition think it should be.

Vincent, you've hit on some critical concepts here, but I disagree that preferencing and believing are the same in meaning.

Preferencing is the human in human being, is it not? How do we survive or relate without preferencing? To prefer to eat and drink over preferring not to eat and drink is the most basic example of this logic, which is really the preference of living over death.

And once we preference living over death, are we then not only preferencing? Preferring pizza over suishi, preferrring to live in London over living in New York, preferring sexual relations with a female rather than a male ... the list is endless, for preferencing is limitless.

To me, there is attachment in belief, a sense that one's preferences are truth or a truth. When one sees that there is only preferencing ("absolute" subjectivity?), then attachment to any one concept or idea or belief is impossible.

Based on my thoughts above, a preferenceless reality is not possible.

As for love, why would love 'exist' in a preferenceless world? Is it not because of preferencing that love is at all?

It seems to me that there is only preferencing and preferencing at rest. This is reality.

[venom mama]

love..... i hate love. have been in love twice. lost love once because i got my heart broke, lost love twice because i vowed never to love again. it sucks, it sucks so bad. 2nd love still in love with me and me still in love with him. but i refuse to let him know. can't handle the pain of heartbreak again.

i do have a boyfriend now, but he's only to keep my mind off what my heart truely desires.

when my first love picked another over me i thought nothing else matters, then i met love number 2 and he touched me so deeply that i had to get away. loved him more than my first. not a day goes by that i don't think of him. i know he loves me too. it was so damn beautiful that i had to get away. moved to another state even.

i hate love, i hate how love takes over. life is easier without it.


:twoguns:

[scameter]

not all love is mutual. love can be placed anywhere, in something like an academic search, or one's family, or even one's self. i think that mutual love will hopefully be beautiful and open and free and passionate and full, but it may not. but, i am willing to take such a risk, i think. life is a risk, the very art of survival and proveedance in life is a risk everyone must take, so i should at least try some things that could give me enjoyment even with a little risk involved. :) that's how i see love.

[sahyo]

i hate love, i hate how love takes over.

hate?, or fearing cannot control loving?

life is easier without it.

easier? or imagining safer trying wearing hate-armor?

[bito]

i do have a boyfriend now, but he's only to keep my mind off what my heart truely desires.

Perhaps :D this sense of having and of not having is at the heart of this sense of paining

[scameter]

desire is the root of suffering, as was said by St.Augustine i believe. :)

[sahyo]

desire is the root of suffering



no

[scameter]

:lol: nice response. just....no?

[sahyo]

yp :D

[scameter]

hmm. no further elaboration therewith?

[sahyo]

ok

desire's root?

[scameter]

no, suffering's root being desire.

[sahyo]

and desire's root?

[scameter]

lack of, boredom, and curiosity it seems.

[sahyo]

tangible?

[WilliamMckeehan]

:o hello i have not posted here in a while

i see this thread still gets replys sometimes... they are interesting but i have made up my mind on this subject

Love can be very... odd i guess is the word i believe it is somthing that has been wired into the human brain over a period of time and now every human can have it i relize that and i dont care because the person that i am "in love with" makes me happy and i seem to make her happy so im just going to go with it... i understand that Love can hurt some one VERY much even to the point of killing them selfs at times but as one of my teachers said once "love can hurt but it is way worth the pain" and i guess i will agree im happy at this point in time and if i end up being hurt i will find another way to be happy

thanks for all the posts they have helped but i am happy and thats good enough for me :thumbsup:

-Will

[sahyo]

just going to go with it



:thumbsup:

[WilliamMckeehan]

im glad u agree asheera :D people cant live life without trying somthing every once and a while :thumbsup:

[WilliamMckeehan]

i never new this topic would get so big
when i posted this iwas wondering if i was in love i was not sure and was pretty scared about it
but sence then i have grown a lot

i have grown to care, socialize, and love a little bit more this has changed me more then anyone ever new i dont act much diffrent i talk a little more to people but inside i feel like perfect
this feeling wont last forever but this must be the feeling that is worth all the pain

but what i am saying is I Love Laura ***** and she loves me
i didnt think that would ever happen but it has and 1 reason i can tell is the honesty
she has told me things that would make anyone else in my shoes hate her guts but i just cant mainly because what she said was true
what she said is a little personal ... sorry
but she feels so horrible about it
she told me she was sure i would hate her after what she had said but i dont
i love her even more
its a little confusing but i just havnt talked to her much today and felt like typing out some stuff i am sorry maybe some one will get a kick out of reading this?
and if not it doesnt matter no one posts at this topic any more anyways =P

well thanks for the help again every one good luck to you all :thumbsup: hopfully u will all find happyness



sorry for the ***** it stands for her last name i dont need to put that much info on the net :boxing:

[MidnightSun]

Well u should put a bit more coz i got nothing, lack of info, anyways, seems ur a happy man, congratz.

[venom mama]

glad you found it william


make sure you hold on

[sahyo]

make sure you hold on


only fear(pain) attempts to "hold on" as though possible

:)

[WilliamMckeehan]

hey thanks all of you :D yes i will hold on :thumbsup:

[scameter]

Wil:Love can be very... odd i guess is the word i believe it is somthing that has been wired into the human brain over a period of time and now every human can have it i relize that and i dont care because the person that i am "in love with" makes me happy and i seem to make her happy so im just going to go with it... i understand that Love can hurt some one VERY much even to the point of killing them selfs at times but as one of my teachers said once "love can hurt but it is way worth the pain" and i guess i will agree im happy at this point in time and if i end up being hurt i will find another way to be happy

i would disagree personally my friend, and welcome back. :)
to me, love can be great, but it can and most likely will be very, very painful and can even ruin someone as it did my dad. and i am wondering extensively if it is even worth it.

[WilliamMckeehan]

yes a agree it can be very powerful sorry to hear about ur dad

it probably isnt worth it
or maybe it is worth it in some cases and in other it is not at all so im not sure but sorry again about ur dad
to me it is worth it i just cant stop loving anyway but yes probably a good idea to stay away from it but maybe it might find you? :think:
its good to be back :thumbsup:

[sahyo]

cant stop loving



:thumbsup:

[WilliamMckeehan]

:D

[deepakgang]

I will share with you a nice incident told by Vivekananda about love.

* * * * *

I once had a friend who grew to be very close to me.
Once when we were sitting at the edge of a swimming pool, she filled
the palm of her hand with some water and held it before me, and said this:


"You see this water carefully contained on my hand? It Symbolizes Love."
This was how I saw it:
"As long as you keep your hand caringly open and allow it to remain there,
it will always be there. However, if you attempt to close your fingers
round it and try to posses it, it will spill through the first cracks it find.
This is the greatest mistake that people do when they meet love...they
try to posses it, they demand, they expect... and just like the water
spilling out of your hand, love will retrieve from you. For love is
meant to be free, you cannot change its nature. If there are people you
love, allow them to be free beings.

Give and don't expect.
Advise, but don't order.
Ask, but never demand.

It might sound simple, but it is a lesson that may take a lifetime to
truly practice. It is the secret to true love. To truly practice it,
you must sincerely feel no expectations from those who you love, and yet an
unconditional caring."

[WilliamMckeehan]

i agree competely and we all need to practice this more :D


:thumbsup: great post

[scameter]

Yes definitely. Will said it all. :)

[WilliamMckeehan]

:) well i try to :P

[scameter]

:D

[WilliamMckeehan]

:thumbsup:

[scameter]

:P

[WilliamMckeehan]

i made this post when i started having ideas of "being in love" it REALLY scared me and i was nervous of it but as i thought about it i needed it i met this girl on June 13th 2005 and i told her i had feeling for her on July 4th 2005 i posted this on July 16th 2005 that means i thought i was inlove with her VERY quikly it was chaotic and i was scared and confused me but i have settled down and thought about it more :think: and it is so wonderful ... i cant say that enough everyone keeps saying that we are just stupid teenagers that dont know what they are really feeling but some of the things we have been threw makes it that much easyer im having trouble explaining what im trying to say i guess i can say it like this ... it may sound completely stupid and i dont think many will agree but it seems like this was "ment to be"? any one may argue this as that is pretty much what im expecting but thats what it feels like ... and we both feel this way does this sound even possible? i normaly dont believe in this kind of stuff but i have felt Love... and if this isnt Love what would it be?
sorry to ramble about this kind of mushie junk but the feeling keeps getting stronger and stronger!
i think Love can start with anyone anytime i dont think u have to be good friends for this to happen? does any one else have any comments on this at all? thats why i post here is to get actual logical answers even if i hate them
thanks for reading my trash :lol:

-will :thumbsup:

(sorry if it makes no sence im kind of tired and i just start typing and typing and some times it makes no sence :duh: )

[deepakgang]

when u r in love this happens all the time. hey i will just tell you the story of a friend of mine. he met a girl when he was about 14 yrs old. Now he is 22 and they are still hanging around holding hands :) so wat i tell you is not to bother about what others tell or have defined. just give urself little time. only time will tell - may be this girl is the love of your life.
all the best :thumbsup:

[WilliamMckeehan]

thank you ... and i will agree only time will tell if she will be mine forever

i hope u dont mind if i quote you and put it im my signature

[Smurf]

I like this one:



I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

Alfred Tennyson

I know you will like the journey that is Love.

[WilliamMckeehan]

:D i like that one too ... it is pretty famous i heard it a lot

i think i will too

[deepakgang]

B) thats no problem friend. Only feels nice.

[WilliamMckeehan]

:) thank you

[scameter]

Smurf, i would reccomend trying it before agreeing to that. Love can be perfectionate, and it can also be obliterating totally. It all depends, as Hunter Thompson said, "On the will of the great magnet." :D

[Smurf]

oh i realise that wholly yes, been through that myself, that it encorporates all of the emotions known to us. That it can lift you up so high and then throw you back down onto a concrete floor at a million miles an hour. That is why i have decided to give up on love all-together and just concentrate on helping make people's lives just (if possible) a bit better.

[WilliamMckeehan]

a little bit better yes i try to do that at times to ... if there is somthing i can do i normaly do it Love is hard and it as played with my emotions a lot :blink: i didnt think it was possible to be that confused or feels thoughs feels but it has opened me up some and made me a more caring person in the long run

but i am sorry to hear that smurf

[Smurf]

Hey that was a long time ago and i got over it, but sometimes i think about it and ... well you know

[WilliamMckeehan]

yes i think i do

[sahyo]

i have decided to give up on love all-together




poem mirabai 1498-1546:


Do not mention the name of love,
O my simple-minded companion.
Strange is the path
When you offer your love.
Your body is crushed at the first step.

If you want to offer love
Be prepared to cut off your head
And sit on it.
Be like the moth,
Which circles the lamp and offers its body.
Be like the deer, which, on hearing the horn,
Offers its head to the hunter.
Be like the partridge,
Which swallows burning coals
In love of the moon.
Be like the fish
Which yields up its life
When separated from the sea.
Be like the bee,
Entrapped in the closing petals of the lotus.

Mira's lord is the courtly Giridhara.
She says: Offer your mind
To those lotus feet.

[scameter]

To a Stranger

Passing stranger! you do not know
How longingly I look upon you,
You must be he I was seeking,
Or she I was seeking
(It comes to me as a dream)

I have somewhere surely
Lived a life of joy with you,
All is recall'd as we flit by each other,
Fluid, affectionate, chaste, matured,

You grew up with me,
Were a boy with me or a girl with me,
I ate with you and slept with you, your body has become
not yours only nor left my body mine only,

You give me the pleasure of your eyes,
face, flesh as we pass,
You take of my beard, breast, hands,
in return,

I am not to speak to you, I am to think of you
when I sit alone or wake at night, alone
I am to wait, I do not doubt I am to meet you again
I am to see to it that I do not lose you.


Walt Whitman

Oddly, in the days that Whitman wrote his oh so famous love poems alot of men read them to women and vise versa, even though honestly Whitman was gay and wrote them to other men. Rather comical actually. :D

[Smurf]

:D lol
well i should have said i am trying to give up love, but cold turkey isn't really working :lol:

Nice poems guys and Asheera where did you get that one from? i would like to know as it was seriously brilliant, the sheer twisting and turning... was nice

[deepakgang]

Nice poems..i liked them tooo :)

[scameter]

Thanks guys. I love poetry, as i love anything made with pure human passion and life and, well, humanity. :)

[WilliamMckeehan]

i liked the poems ... i have to write a poem about love for school maybe when im finished i will share it with you? :thumbsup:

[scameter]

Oh most definitely my friend. But remember, give it passion. Do not allow it to be bland or ordinary; pour your heart and soul into it, make love to your love the night before you write the poem, and then write it; live it, love it, impassion it. Don't mean to be blunt, but i am being realistic to life, truthful. You're my friend, and i want you to be human and to have the opportunity to feel the power of life within you. :)

[WilliamMckeehan]

thank you i will your advice does help thanks friend

-will

[sahyo]

:) smurf

http://oldpoetry.com/search/search=1/type=...rabai/showall=1 (http://oldpoetry.com/search/search=1/type=Poetry/op_by=Mirabai/showall=1)

[sahyo]

deepakgang :)

[sahyo]

will

yes share

:D

[scameter]

Np Will. And i'm glad, i hope my help continues with you. :) As you help me. :)

[sahyo]

will

poem mirabai
on the page which posted link smurf:

The plums tasted
sweet to the unlettered desert-tribe girl-
but what manners! To chew into each! She was ungainly,
low-caste, ill mannered and dirty,
but the god took the
fruit she'd been sucking.
Why? She'd knew how to love.
She might not distinquish
splendor from filth
but she'd tasted the nectar of passion.
Might not know any Veda,
but a chariot swept her away-
now she frolics in heaven, esctatically bound
to her god.
The Lord of Fallen Fools, says Mira,
will save anyone
who can practice rapture like that-
I myself in a previous birth
was a cowherding girl
at Gokul.

[venom mama]

love......




there is no pain like love.

[sahyo]

there is no pain like love.











what source?

[WilliamMckeehan]

:D thats a nice poem asheera

and scameter im sure it will :thumbsup: i did not know i helped you as well







love goes many ways :knockout:

[Smurf]

Ahhhh danke meine Freunde Asheera

[Jori]

Thank you very much Mr. William Mckeehan for reading my post on time travel and replying. I don't think your question about love is silly. Philosophically, live is a will-act. One can love by mere will and action, even without feelings and and emotion. A related idea is the following: Love is admiration, affection, emotion, cognition, volition, verbalization; but most important of all, love is action. I hope my these ideas help you.

[scameter]

lol I'm sorry to once again disagree with you Jori, but to me love is a certain type of passion. And a logical love, void of that passion and attachment, is not love.

[WilliamMckeehan]

thanks jori and not a problem :thumbsup:

scameter u make a very good point there is a type of passion that is there even some times a need a non understandable need but thanks jori for your imput i have had a lot of imput on love and not just from this site i got the most logical answers from here but in the end i thought for my self and realized I am in Love. so even when i like to hear others comments i will no longer follow them but thank you again everyone for there imput

[sahyo]

no longer follow



:thumbsup:

[sahyo]

mmmm thanking friend smurf

[WilliamMckeehan]

:thumbsup:

[Smurf]

lol :D Well just stating the truth

[deepakgang]

Hey what you guys up to ? :thumbsup:

[sahyo]

lol :D Well just stating the truth



hehe :D

[sahyo]

:D deepakgang

[Smurf]

ohh not much :D

[deepakgang]

:D asheera

[Kether]

The two things we use the word 'love' to describe are quite different. There's the love most people are talking about when they say 'love' - a sexual love for a certain person. And then there's platonic love, which is not always an emotion (though I think it always should be).
Platonic love is extremely powerful, as it motivates people to do good. I think of it as made up of two elements: sympathy-benevolence, and delight.
The first element, sympathy-benevolence, is what is sometimes meant by 'kindness'. I would simply use the word 'sympathy' did it not lack the vital element of action conveyed by 'benevolence'. Benevolence is not a perfect word for the feeling either, as it has certain connotations of being one-sided and slightly sanctimonious. These connotations were probably gained in the nineteenth century.
Sympathy-Benevolence should ideally be mutual, but may be felt by one person towards another who does not reciprocate. It is not natural that it should be felt towards everyone - that is not natural, and would most probably demean the emotion and render it meaningless. Where sympathy-benevolence is not felt by one person for another, such as in the case of enemies, it is the job of the community to act on sympathy-benevolence towards the individuals involved.
Delight is also an important motive for good, and it creates great happiness for the person experiencing it. Delight is an element in sexual as well as platonic love - indeed, a primary component.
The last paragraph on sympathy-benevolence also applies to delight.

Love/kindness is one of the most important virtues, the other being intelligence. Actions concerning other people cannot be good unless they are ultimately inspired by love.

[argentinism]

love is there and is REALLYT REAL
I believe that I have found my soulmate and you may say that my opinion is not subjective because I'm in love, yet I have always seek true love since I was a youngster. It is silly to think that as a young boy I was seeking for trully love but it is true.I'm the romantic type and it can change the world: it isthe hope, an utopy, what moves us.

[sahyo]

mmmmmm

[WilliamMckeehan]

:thumbsup: i agree 100% argentinism i have always wanted a true love i have found that person that is what this thread was about i wasnt sure if i loved this girl
but i do i just have to work hard to keep her

[Smurf]

hmmmm interesting Kether, that you say that intelligence is a virtue, I would have thought it is a neutral power ready to be used by both parties of supposed "good" and "bad"

[Kether]

Interesting point, Smurf. Intelligence can be utilised for both good and bad purposes; perhaps the 'good' utilisation of it is a virtue. It's certainly neccessary in doing good.

Incidentally, I find it very anoying when people say things like "you can either be an intelligent person or a good person". They don't seem to realise that ignorance can do almost as much harm as evil.

[MidnightSun]

I completely agree with smurf, it can not only fit for inteligence too though. Inteligent person can be good person, who advices others. Inteligent person can be bad person who advices himself and harms others. Inteligent person can be selfish person, who gives advices and excpects braging from it. Inteligent person can be...And so on...

[Smurf]

yes my friend, but the best intelligent has no intelligence

[WilliamMckeehan]

interesting <_< i found some really smart people to be rather cocky and thus they think there always right which in reality makes them not that smart at all :blink:

[Smurf]

yes they can be quite annoying, the kind of person that perhaps has been ridiculed for their intelligence and thus this is the result from this "competition". it is quite sad. actually there are quite a lot over at www.philosophyforums.com i tried that forum but it was too much philosophy and not enough easy thinking. i gave up there. but here is much better :thumbsup:

[WilliamMckeehan]

yes i came here at a time of my life when i was unsure about a lot of things and know i feel so much better thanks to the help of all you guys and gals thank you i really like it here its refreshing from the normal world of people :P

[Smurf]

yes definately, i use this place to get out of the "pool" of human activity. :D
and i hope your life is better now. remember you can do anything if you have self-confidence.

[WilliamMckeehan]

yes im starting to get more self confidence i have always had VERY low expectations of myself but im going to change that so im starting to think maybe i can do it its great :thumbsup:

[Smurf]

hmm yes i have met a lot of people with low self confidence on this website i think that society damns thinkers which is pretty bad you know? which leads to my new venture that i am thinking of making...

[WilliamMckeehan]

ahh i see :thumbsup:

[Smurf]

have you read about Loud Silence? on here

[WilliamMckeehan]

yes i believe i have i didnt read in detail though <_<

[Smurf]

oh it's going to be really cool, it will be just a place of calmness and contemplation, a relaxing garden which doesn't discriminate at all. anyone can come whenever, whyever, etc. way cool :D

[WilliamMckeehan]

yes that sounds great :thumbsup:

[Smurf]

yep definately :thumbsup: but i don't know what people will first think of it though

[WilliamMckeehan]

oh yes that is true :think: lots of people will probably just think its weird :(

[deepakgang]

Let the super thinkers think on. We will go our way. Soon or late they will join us :thumbsup:

[WilliamMckeehan]

lets hope so :D

[Smurf]

Thanks Deepakgang :thumbsup:

[WilliamMckeehan]

wow this topic has grown a lot! sence when i first posted it but my love has also grown a lot sence then there is no need to even begin to question it

this is awesome :thumbsup:

[Smurf]

oh yeah we just sort of attatch to some topics and they become like chatrooms you know? but that's pretty awesome mate :thumbsup:

[WilliamMckeehan]

yea i noticed that ... i think the site should have a chatroom wasnt there a topic on that once or somthing?

[MidnightSun]

mmhmm..one word..L O V E..it tells all :)

[Smurf]

yes definately, but Will i think it is fun not knowing where the chatting is sometimes. makes it sort of interesting you know? :D

[WilliamMckeehan]

yea i think i do :thumbsup:

[Smurf]

:ph34r: :( :D :P B) i don't really care you see?

[WilliamMckeehan]

lol :think:

[Smurf]

boing :lol: :lol:

do you guys listen to radio?

[WilliamMckeehan]

thoughs are very nice words :D i like ur out look on the subject of Love

[Smurf]

what has it got to do with love? love of radio! :D but i agree, well this thread sort of sorted out the topic and then it turned into a chat room always happens! :D

[WilliamMckeehan]

well i can bring it back to topic sence i started it ... its not exactly love or i think not or maybe it is i will explain and hopefully everyone can tell me what they might call this...

ok it started on new years eve i didnt get to talk to my gf for 3 days she didnt call or anything and i had no idea were she was or whatever i wasnt mad or anything ... that would be stupid but i was VERY worryed! well she finaly called and she was at her brothers house and stuff and she tryed to call to tell me but i was sleeping (this was at 1:00 pm i really need a life :blink: ) but i missed it so thats why i didnt know were she was and stuff i wasnt mad when i talked to her i just said i was worryed and im glad she was ok and had fun and stuff
but the 3 days she was gone i was very VERY sad and worryed and cryed a lot
but she got back and was pretty busy and everything and know she has the flu and u know cant do anything so i miss her even more! and i still feel pretty much the same pain i was when she was gone for 3 days but im not that worryed but still well i was talking to her today and she was saying somthing and i gave her advice but she took it the wrong way and said somthing ... kinda mean i guess u could call it but of course i didnt understand why she did and i was confused on how i made her angry :duh: so she left for a little she was busy anyway well i talked to her again and we talked it all out and it was ok ... i feel bad enough as it is making her mad and her being sick and busy but i feel so sad when im not talking to her and everything it is just horrible every second sucks without her ... i told her this and she was sad that i am sad but im the jerk here making her feel even worse then she already does but im going to fix it thats not the problem ...

the problem is i dont know why i feel so terrible when she is not around! she left for a week to another state and i was fine a little sad but not this bad ... i dont know why i dont even feel like moving or anything when she is not around anymore ... what could this be? is just started happening new years eve?

sorry for the dumb story it might not make sence from me not adding details and typing fast but if u want to reply go for it

thank you


p.s this might reopen the love topic? but i am in love though and if anyone saids im not then the hell with you buddy :thumbsup:

[deepakgang]

hmm after 100 replies to your thread, a looking back was nice

[Smurf]

yes it is,

now William i think that you just need to calm down, take it slowly and love her. that's all from me, i will still think on it for you, but don't stop being you. oh and the sadness is normal in Love trust me. :thumbsup:

[WilliamMckeehan]

thank u all

smurf- i can do that i have already started im enjoying the time i have with her and i remember the happyness she brings to me when im not with her ... we will have more time we both should focus on school more anyway :thumbsup:


thanks all

[WilliamMckeehan]

it is very hard :(

[MidnightSun]

'.i find you attractive...let's have a relationship or even let's get married'

I can't stand not serious relashionips...

[MidnightSun]

System tells u to study in school, system tells u to be christain, system tells u to work for system, system tells u to be straight, system makes male earn more, system tells u to bread..and so on.. but i say: system sucks!

P.s. sry for posting twice

[WilliamMckeehan]

thanks for the posts... normaly everything is alright just i have been pretty bummed out lately i think my problem is a a mix of a few little things wrong

but yes the system does suck and i dont like "relationships" either or dating ... but i do think if u meet some one u like u should spend time with them if u like to it doesnt need all the dumb rules :D

[Smurf]

System i didn't know there was a system? :P

[WilliamMckeehan]

maybe there isnt actualy a system but it seems like it? <_<

[Smurf]

well there is only a system if you say there is hey? if you dont want

[sahyo]

i disdain realationships that are not serious and i get grief about it constantly



yes imagining "i"-"realationships" will "grief"

[MidnightSun]

"There are no cages, except those who we create ourselves." - me :D

[WilliamMckeehan]

:o that is very true :thumbsup:

[Smurf]

"there are cages in zoos" - Me :lol:

[WilliamMckeehan]

:lol: always a joker


"I Love Laura with all my heart" this one is mine i guess :thumbsup:

i feel VERY good i dont realize how lucky i am every day ... i do a lot but i havnt been lately and just know i thought i am so lucky! so i feel great how did a dumb looking not very smart forgetful person end up with such a wonderful very beautiful smart brave funny sexy amazing girl? :think: i need to tell her how great she is more often ... i tell her that stuff some times but not enough but i have noticed i do call her beautiful everyday and say I Love You to her everyday ... thats a lot! and i dont even mean to i just say it then i feel happy plus we dont say good bye ... its kinda like forever or it seems like it so we say I Love You as are last words to each other at the end of the day and if i dotn get to tell her that i feel so sad !

lol sorry im just some love struck kid that saids a bunch of stuff everyone as already felt/done this is my first love ... well first everything and i hope some day i marry her thats pretty much it lol sorry

i will shut up

[deepakgang]

Will this is your thread, and we are all here to hear your thoughts and expressions about your love, about your girl. And believe me, shes really lucky to have a wonderful loving boy like you who never stops chattering about his girl. :greatlove:

[MidnightSun]

Wanna hear my story? :P

Once upon a time....MidnightSun lived in a city of Kaunas. He was a sad and inteligent boy, but misunderstood. Once he felt in love with a girl. She rejected him. He felt sad for years. He got depresion. Two year later he tryed to kill himself but survived. Nowadays hes still just a sad person who misses true love.

[WilliamMckeehan]

thats a sad story midnightsun but that just as well could be me also
i told my gf if she ever thought she didnt love me to say so that she doesnt have to stay with me to not hurt my feelings she deserves to be happy i said if she didnt want to be alone i would stay with her and even help her find love if it came down to that that surprised her and she said "why would u do that to urself" all i said was "i would do it for you" but the point is for me that pain would be worth it ... if she was happy

:D love is hard

[deepakgang]

Love me, loathe me...do something to me

[Smurf]

like push you off a cliff? *pushes Deepak to the edge* :D

[deepakgang]

im afraid of height friend.
but youve already killed me with your brutal words :reallysad:

[WilliamMckeehan]

Love me, loathe me...do something to me


what does this mean? do u mind explaining it? :think:

[Smurf]

ohhh sorry man, deepak and everyone know this now that my words will never have any hatred or malicious intent. i am also sad that you are sad. :(
so now we are sad together :thumbsup:

[WilliamMckeehan]

i hate being sad but im am pretty sad :(

[Smurf]

im am aswell :lol: :lol:

[MidnightSun]

for me i was sucked into my relationship with my gf but she hasnt had any time for me and stuff and has kinda seemed a little more rude then normal ... but i kinda of got upset and started to complain about it kind of a lot i wasnt rude to her or anything but lets just say it ended up she doesnt think i love her .. but that im infatuated with her (that im inlove with being inlove with her) she explained it in a way that made me believe it for that night but once morning came and i thought more about it i am in love with this girl ... but she thinks im not whats a guy to do
(if u are going to post love advice for me please post it at the thread "Love" i do not want to feel up scameters thread with my boring little problems)

You said a lot of great things how u love her on this site. Maybe u should do the same in real. Tell her how u feel...

But..hmm..dun listen to me, i suck at this too,i think u read my story..its pretty bad, i guess im bad at girls and stuff. My friend says: never listen to advice of a fool. :)

[WilliamMckeehan]

yes that idea passed threw my head ... and before i get offline tonight i was going to thank you for the advice midnightsun :thumbsup: and im just as much as a fool then you are ... all i can do is tell her that i DO love her and if she does not believe me i will have to show her i do some how !

i always ask for advice on here but i normaly think away out of it my self but the advice never goes wasted :thumbsup:

[WilliamMckeehan]

:( well that didnt go well ... she never got the E-mail i wrote it 2 times ... but she explained what is wrong she is VERY depressed her family sucks and she has stoped caring about anything she called me and told me this
so i dont know what to do she has looked at every angle for help everytime i try to talk about it or help she doesnt want to its very frustrating she was talking to one of her friends about somthing ... and i was asking what it was about she said i wouldnt understand she doesnt want me to talk to her friends im too different for them as she saids all i want to do is help her but know she is mad at me and wont speak with me any advice would help greatly ty :thumbsup: ask for more detail if u need any

[deepakgang]

This is no time to tell her how you feel when she reacts like this. Dont flood your worries.
Instead You would like to wait a little and let things cool down from her side (family and stuff)
Then you should tell how you wanted to share her problems. And how you felt when she responded in the way she did. When she is normal. Then she might be able to understand.

[WilliamMckeehan]

yes i have realized this ... but we have talked she wanted to end it she does not want anyone in that way in this time in her life ... she seems a little more happyer i did not make a big deal or fight in anyway she does not need that on her shoulders ... the funny thing is we talk just as if we were "together" but were not it is pretty stupid to have to be offically together and everything

we still say "I love You" to each other ...but only in a little more relaxed way

[deepakgang]

girls know better :thumbsup:

[WilliamMckeehan]

yes that is what i hope and that sounds about right

but i am still sad because she might never want to be with me again ... i told her i would be waiting even if she doesnt want me anymore but she said dont let me hold u back from finding some one else

so there is a chance i may never have her back but i will not show her the pain i am having :thumbsup:

[scameter]

So, is this the same girl that you have been describing as perfect for all this time?

[WilliamMckeehan]

yes ... i know i sound pretty stupid at this point

[deepakgang]

dont rush into conclusions. give some time

[WilliamMckeehan]

yes i will do that thank you for the help

but this is so confusing to me :huh:

of course i am very upset about this not at her or anything just sad but yet happy because she still calls me and talks to me like nothing really happened we laugh and have fun still ... so with my sadness i also have happyness and joy she seems very happy :D that makes me feel good so i am going to hide all my sadness and pain for her and just be her friend i guess because all i truely want is her to be happy :thumbsup:

[WilliamMckeehan]

i dont mean to sound like a cry baby or anything

but my feeling is not getting better ... infact its getting worse she does not know if she will be with me ever again i think the fact that she actauly might be gone is probably what makes me feel bad that is stupid and selfish i know but she seems happyer well kinda but i dont know sorry for my wasteful post i just didnt realize how many things can bring back memorys it seems like everything does its very interesting i will be ok and everything just please bare with me i cry often from these memorys but it is worth all this pain and if she becomes even more happy then it would be worth it even more

i did find 1 one person that is ment for me and nothing will make me change my mine

:( :)

[WilliamMckeehan]

' Houden van is laten gaan', it means: 'to love is to let-go'.

only if "..." (dots) can read this now

[WilliamMckeehan]

it is over


she thought she loved me as she said but she doesnt she was more then likely lying or it seems that way to me i gave everything

my trust for people has gotten even lower and im left inlove with some one i do not have a future with but thats not that hurts she was lying to me


i feel so stupid right know i dont ever want to show my face anywere again :cry: :cry: :cry:

[Smurf]

ohh poor Will :(
I think you will get over her, but perhaps me telling you this won't matter anyways because you understand don't you? there has to be an anti-climax to love sometimes, Balance Will Balance! :thumbsup:

[WilliamMckeehan]

yes when i posted that i was very upset this was the only place/people i could talk to i think why im so upset is because i thought we both felt the same way but she did not im pretty sure she thought she did but she doesnt she was telling me about how she was trying to get another date i will end up having to either be alone like i have done all my life or find some one else i dont think i will have another chance with this girl but im going to be friends with her she is my best friend just the matter of being attracted to her so much i cant stand it may mess that up too :duh:


i dont like when life is completely unfair


im happy for her she is happy and active she isnt as depressed she needed me at that time we met and i made everything better again know she is ok and ready to start life again im glad i helped but my want for her is so over welming it makes my hands numb and tingle and my stomach drop and tingle i have never cryed so hard in my life ... i woke up my brother and all he did was tell me to shut up and stop making sound and when he saw i was crying he looked at my weird and left :lol:

[Smurf]

hmm yes my friend

i dont like when life is completely unfair
well like i said there is a balance? you were loved in return no? now comes the downward slide. life is up and down for ever, you can see it everyday? there is up and down in the weather? the seasons. all I say is ride it out with flying colours! :thumbsup:

he saw i was crying he looked at my weird and left
Crying is ok man. it purges the good to make room for anew?

[WilliamMckeehan]

thanks smurf i like ur views on things

[Smurf]

No problem mate :thumbsup:

always remember to try and turn the negatives into positives :thumbsup:

[WilliamMckeehan]

ya the positive in this i learned many new things i wouldnt of other wise i saw my mistakes and learned from them i made a very good friend i helped some one int many ways to make there life just a little bit better :thumbsup: but i will miss her dearly she doesnt talk to me much anymore


-will

[WilliamMckeehan]

this is harder then i thought

[Thomas Knierim]

William: it is over

Sorry to hear that. At your age this sort of thing is particularly painful. It will probably not be a great consolation to you, but this is a time to learn and grow. It's an opportunity. The learning and growing will occur in very weird ways.

she thought she loved me as she said but she doesnt

Not a very original way to exit. Girls always use these words. It is very unlikely that she has an idea of what love actually is. Perfectly normal though.

William: i feel so stupid right know

You shouldn't. Contrary to common wisdom, it's better to be the dumpee rather than the dumper. Unfortunately, it is also more painful.

William: i dont like when life is completely unfair

Life is never unfair. If it appears that way to you, you can be sure there is something that you don't understand yet.

William: this is harder then i thought

Try to see it from a meteorological point of view. Your inner world is a landscape and currently it's raining. Sunshine will follow. It always does.

Cheers, Thomas

[Venus]

I must say I agree with Thomas Knierim.
How on earth could I contemplate the pain when such a thing has never happened to me?
Besides I'm female...
You will meet someone else. It must be devistating for you and will take you while to recover probably, look up, count your blessings. You will meet someone who does truly love you. No matter how long it takes. Even Elizabeth I found love...
I agree with psyche's poem.

[WilliamMckeehan]

yes thank you the poem i will share that i really liked it


and thomas ur words have really helped as well as everyones on these forums do i will be ok

Life is never unfair. If it appears that way to you, you can be sure there is something that you don't understand yet.


i really like this a lot of people say life is unfair but i never looked at it this way before it cheered me up a lot

thank you everyone :thumbsup:

[Venus]

:)

[deepakgang]

Once upon a time, there was a lonely baby boy sitting in the park, crying ever so badly:
A philosopher came by, and asked caringly:

Hey dude, whats up?
Why are you crying, man?

The baby boy said:

I'm so sad. *~sniff~*
My girlfriend dumped me.*~sniff~*
I love her so much
*~sniff~* and shes so pretty.
I cant believe it...
RaahhAAHHHHHHHHH.......

Then the baby boy showed the philosopher a picture of his cute little girlfriend:


After looking at the picture, the philosopher laughed so loudly and said,
"You are so dumb!"
And the baby boy went absolutely crazy:

Arr..Rahhh.. Why are you so mean?
I got dumped, and instead of comforting me
you just laughed at me
and said I am dumb! I hate you.
I dont want to listen to you!
I dont want to listen to you!!!
ArrrrrrRRRRRR......

Then, the philosopher said wisely:

You silly boy!
You dont have to be sad. She
should be the one crying, not you!
Because all you've lost
it's someone who doesn't love you.
but on the other hand, she has
lost someone who loves her very much.
Don't worry, dude!
Cheer up! Lets go have a beer.

[Venus]

Lol... That is quite true.

[MidnightSun]

Beer for a boy? :lol:

[Venus]

Lol. :P

[MidnightSun]

To be or not to be?

Is it right that the one who loved suffers?

[MidnightSun]

...it is just the way love functions

Then i dont want to love.

[Venus]

Lol! Oh... a life without love- that's terrible...

[Venus]

Love gives naught but itself and takes naught but from itself.
Love possesses not nor would it be possessed;
For love is sufficient unto love.

Very true.
A poem also true to me feelings, emotions.

Love has no other desire but to fulfill itself.
But if you love and must needs have desires, let these be your desires.

[WilliamMckeehan]

:)

[WilliamMckeehan]

thank you all again i am making progress yesterday was the hardest day i had :knockout: i have never felt that kind of sadness in my life but i read this whole thread and i see how i said if i ever get hurt from this i will find another way to be happy well i was so upset last night i just talked to random people on the internet and met this girl who helped me a lot aswell my grace to her her help will not be forgotten but today i felt more like me again :D until im alone then it really gets bad but i guess 1000s of people have gone threw this same learning experience she has helped me more then she knows and i will always love her :thumbsup:

[Smurf]

gibran

I love that book! :thumbsup: Awesome!

I am so glad Will that you are happy mate :)

and as the wise Deepak pointed out the road to happiness is through Beer!
sorry actually no not that. awesome story though mate :)

[deepakgang]

Beer was just pointing out keep on doing what you do usually to chill out B)
Edit that part for something better :)

[Smurf]

heh i know mate :thumbsup:

guess? i might be going to India in a year perhaps! woo hoo! :blink: :D

[sahyo]

psyche :D

[Venus]

I hope you have a nice time Smurf!
I would like to visit India.
I think the people there are more enlightened then us British.

[WilliamMckeehan]

thats good news sounds like fun

and ya im trying my best to be happy :thumbsup:

but i just cant bring my self to get rid of many things that make me think about it

[Smurf]

"I think the people there are more enlightened then us British."

I bloody hope so mate! :thumbsup: :D

"but i just cant bring my self to get rid of many things that make me think about it"

ok will use them to your advantage? don't try and push them away, embrace them and then control them easily? :unsure:

[WilliamMckeehan]

ya ... i do really enjoy all my stuff from her

[Smurf]

cool gotta go eat food now hah silly sister! :thumbsup:

[Venus]

Lol...

[deepakgang]

you coming to India scam...do brief us about your visit. And is this your first time or ?

[WilliamMckeehan]

i never believed this thread would get so big

[Smurf]

you coming to India scam...do brief us about your visit. And is this your first time or ?

nope I am mate! :thumbsup:

probably end of this year hopefully! and yes this is my first time. the reason India is because it is cool, and Dad grew up there in part of his childhood in Kalimpong! :P it is gonna be cool , although we haven't really finalised the details yet, but will keep you informed. if you want pretty useless info that is :D

[WilliamMckeehan]

well have fun :D

[Smurf]

well have fun

i most certainly will! :thumbsup:

[WilliamMckeehan]

thats good :thumbsup:

[Smurf]

Certainly!

and I see you have changed your status thingy now? :)

[WilliamMckeehan]

yes i seem to change it a lot im sorry :o

but i am Happy i have made peace with my problems and im feeling rather good today :D

but my Love has not died lol

[Smurf]

yes i seem to change it a lot im sorry

hey don't be sorry, means you are still lively! :thumbsup:

[WilliamMckeehan]

that is true i soppose :D

[WilliamMckeehan]

i dont like this thread anymore :(

[Smurf]

i dont like this thread anymore

woah woah woah :D

how come?

[MidnightSun]

Love does suck. Better without it.

[WilliamMckeehan]

i will admit love has screwed me up pretty bad really bad actualy ... i am not the same person i use to be because of it ...

but i disagree 100% the life is better without love it seems that way and feels that way but i will never say that it does seem to suck at times and can crush some one completely ... or make them the strongest person in the world it just depends how you use it

i am inlove and when i found out she did not feel the same way i felt many feelings very mixed up inside everyone that has felt the heartbreak feeling knows it might not be the same way i explain because i dont explain very well i dont even think the feeling is explainable ... but just because she does not love me doesnt mean i dont love her i love her and i always will no matter what ... when i was with this girl i started to get my act together i started to work harder and plan for the future and was getting ready to support her in the future ... well when she dumped me that all went out side the window like most dreams ... but im starting to think i love her ... and even though im sad and feel like nothing is good im not good im still going to work for the support i can give her im still keeping that dream even though its a hopeless one im alone but im going to take the care the strength from loving her and use it anyway even though i dont have her and that makes me love her even more even though i am a wreck inside

and every second of this unforgiveable pain is worth her happyness me not bugging her not begging for her back i promised i never would so i let her go and she was ur not going to even try ? i bet she saw it as i dont really care for her but she is wrong if she thinks that she is just young and from a person i thought understands love doesnt understand it at all she is inlove with her self ... which is very sad i wish that she didnt think like that and actualy loves some one else ... not her self but enough about that

Love does suck. Better without it.
no i hate this statement ... im not trying to disrespect you in anyway midnightsun im sorry if u feel anger by my response

[Smurf]

I will always say it:

"Love can lift you higher than the heavens,
Yet you must be prepared to fall to the depths
of despair

For love is a two-edged sword"

[MidnightSun]

Destroy the weapon and there will be no war.

[WilliamMckeehan]

interesting <_<

[Smurf]

Destroy the weapon and there will be no war.

So you would destroy your mind? :unsure:

[MidnightSun]

No, u said love is the weapon, a sword.

[Smurf]

ahh right, metaphor

explaining that Love can go both ways, good and bad things happen

now I see,

so you would destroy love then?

[MidnightSun]

Only that kind of love between man and woman (bi and gay includes too).

[MidnightSun]

Thats diff kind of love.

[Smurf]

I know what Midnight is trying to say ... perhaps you don't really want to wed your cat? or take it to bed etc. take it to movies, to the restaurants? etc

[Thomas Knierim]

Ultimately, there is only one kind of love. The nature of this love is compassion, sympathy, empathy, giving, non-self. It doesn't matter to whom or what that love is extended.

But there is attachment and craving.

Mixed with attachment, love becomes impure.

This gives raise to many different kinds of love. Romantic love. Love between wife and husband. Love of self. Love between mother and child. Love of brothers. Love of the arts. Love of money. The list is endless.

These types of love are different, because the component of attachment varies.

If you believe your love is pure, you are kidding yourself. Unless you are enlightened there is always attachment and craving.

Cheers, Thomas

[WilliamMckeehan]

man i love to read what thomas has to say very true :thumbsup: and i understand mylife isnt 100% pure if it was i wouldnt be upset lol

[WilliamMckeehan]

obsessed yes very :(

and i noticed the pointless stress

and that makes sense broken heart is the worst pain i ever felt personaly but thomas is right about the 1 kind of love u might not want to talk ur cat to the movies but that is because ur cat cant enough it like u can u want to pet ur cat and enjoy ur cats company

love between to people seems like it is different but it isnt just ur friendship is different

for example ... u love ur parents but ur not friends with them ... well maybe u are but not all the time so it seems like u dont love them as much or in the same way as with ur wife/husband gf/bf but u do ur friendship is different ur close to that person then ur parents u make love to them there ur best friend they know all ur secrets so the love seems different ... but its not it just seems that way


or atleast thats my idea on please give me any feed back if u think different :D

[Smurf]

for example ... u love ur parents but ur not friends with them

that's very true.. I understand that

sort of beyond friends perhaps?

[WilliamMckeehan]

sounds like love to me :D

[Smurf]

heey Psyche? what does Dakini mean? <_< :think: :unsure:

[Smurf]

:lol:
yeah i did

hmm ok protector of wisdom then? :thumbsup:

[WilliamMckeehan]

i seem to miss this thread.

[buzzlightyear1982]

"for example ... u love ur parents but ur not friends with them ... well maybe u are but not all the time so it seems like u dont love them as much or in the same way as with ur wife/husband gf/bf but u do ur friendship is different ur close to that person then ur parents u make love to them there ur best friend they know all ur secrets so the love seems different ... but its not it just seems that way"

Every relationship you enter into has to be a love/hate relationship, because if it isn't you never get to vent about those small things that drive you crazy. And trust me the small things matter a whole lot more than the big things. You also have to be prepared every day that you lose that person, or when you do it will hurt ten time more B)

[WilliamMckeehan]

well said and ty for the input there has been alot ... and well i know all there is that i need to know ... too bad i did not have this noledge on june 13th 2005 it would of helped a bit more.

[buzzlightyear1982]

It's been my expierance that you can never fully prepare for something like that. You just to deal with it and deal with it fast, however, that doesn't mean you have to comnpletely over the person. But it does help to be able to be i the same room as that person B)