Light

[scameter]

Why is it that light always travels at the same, exact speed at all times at at all places in the universe? And, what makes light travel in the first place? And, why is it that light is needed? Or, is light even needed at all? Was light made at the beginning of the universe? And, what is light exactly, its composition and compatability with quantum and relativistic physics? :think:

[CSwriter1]

Few things facsinate more than light, oxygen and proteins. I wish we could meet in a room and do experiments, to understand light through experience instead of words.

My encyclopedia says "changes in energy levels of atoms produce the emission of photons". This goes with "Light causes chemical changes in some substances, such as silver nitrate. .... Strong light can fade carpets, drapes, and other textiles products because it chemically changes the dyes."

"When photons of light are absorbed by certain materials, they release electrons from the atoms of those materials. The electrons can be made to flow along wires and form an electric current. Solar sells in satellites use the photoelectric effect of light to change the energy of sunlight into electricity".

"The power of sunlight that shone on the earth millions of years ago was stored by plants. After these plants died, they were changed into coal, natural gas, and oil. Today, we use the power in these fuels to produce electricity and to run machines."

[vicente]

To understand light, one must first recognize the difference between Undivided Light and divided light. Divided light is projected light,...it is always in motion. Undivided Light is Still, and has never move a centimeter in all eternity.

The motion of projected, divided light is called energy. Energy is motion seeking its source,...Undivided Light. Energy can never realize its source, for the same reason that a condition cannot enter the Unconditional. If it could, it would render the Unconditional conditional.

why is it that light is needed?

All perceived form/matter arises from the freezing or crystallization of spectra (divided light). Everything is light,...from the monitor before you, to the huge planets in our galaxy,...all form is light.

How does light manifest into form?
http://www.ontosophy.com/The%20Matrix.html

Was light made at the beginning of the universe?

There was no beginning, nor an end, of the universe. For example, when is the beginning of a Hollywood film? Is it when the credits start,...Name of the Film, Lead Actor, Director, etc.? Or did the film begin ats its inception? Before the first frame was shot?

I recently mentioned the book 'The Secret of Light', by Walter Russell,...considering what's available in print on the subject, this is a must. For a quick summary by a monotheist (not, in my opinion, very reliable sources), try: http://www.peterussell.com/SG/ch5.html

:)

[sonrisa]

Great answer Vicente. I was going to say light is Einstein's constant & go from there, but your answer is much more encompassing & informative. I like your paintings too!

I will add this:

Originally posted by scameter@May 13 2005, 10:30 PM
And, why is it that light is needed? Or, is light even needed at all?

--from a physiological standpoint we appear to need light to function properly. Illness such as SAD appear to be the result of light deprivation.

From a botanical standpoint plants need light to perform photosynthesis. If plants couldn't perform photosynthesis, then none of us would be around to have this discussion, not to mention anything else.

[CSwriter1]

Ultraviolet light and ultrasound both sterilize.

Florescent ligting is good for growing plants. This is interesting to me, because the energy doesn't have to come from the sun.

Plants grow differently under different colored lights, but the full spectrum seems to produce the healthiest plants.

However, light is not needed for all forms of life as we once thought. In lightless caves there is a life form that gets its energy chemically by eating rock. Did I get this right? It is something I saw on TV.

About light moving and what Vincente said about a light that moves and one that doesn't. Hum, If we are moving at the same speed and same direction of what is moving, then we would not detect movement? Is the right? :lol: if our attimousher wasn't moving with us, would we feel the motion of our spinning, orbiting plant?

[scameter]

Man, thank you guys! I am very proud and duelly shocked that someone, much less many someones, would reply to my post, and so infomatively at that. thank you, for those posts shed light(no pun intended) on my questions of light. :) :thumbsup:

[the greek]

If I may, please allow me to take this in a slightly different direction - direction being the operative word.

There appears to be only two forms of light: natural (the sun, other stars) and artificial (man made).

Natural light, unlike artificial light, is in reality history. For example, the light that comes from our solar system's sun, and all other stars in the known universe, is comprised of particles, or should I say remnants of the past. This is literally history traversing the universe.

Therefore, when you are standing looking into the sun, history is literally going into your body. It is absorbed into your skin when you tan. History BECOMES a part of you, the present (and future, for that matter). There, my friends, is a paradox! (I hope Marilyn Monroe is going through me at this very moment).

But let's not stop there. If natural light is indeed history "regurgitated," then one could proffer reasonably, or even plausibly, that one might be inclined and fully able to, not change, but instead alter or redirect history.

Using a prism, light is twisted, altering its original course and constitution. Similarly, a magnifying glass accomplishes the focusing of what formerly was a wide beam into a sharply condensed energy beam. A mirror, of course, would merely re-direct light, but perhaps not alter it.

Lasers work in similar ways, but again this is with artificial light. If you want to change history, natural light is the only way to go.

Who says history is etched in stone.

[sonrisa]

read this yesterday- we need light to make vitamin D, which helps prevent rickets, bone fractures, & osteoporosus. Also diabetes & MS.

[CSwriter1]

The greek, triggered a thought that excited me so much that could hardly read through it. The thought behind I Ching carries with it an idea of blending, an idea of heaven and earth being one. This is like water and dirt blending and being mud.

The I Ching is a matrix like the math for the Mayan calander, and it fixs perfectly inside the Mayan matrix. When the I ching is worked into a graph, the graph looks like a heart beat done by a heart monitor with peaks and valleys. These peaks and valleys abruptly stop in 2021. The scientist who discovered this, said if we discovered time travel, it would make time meaningless, the rythem of the peaks and valleys would stop.

Now if light is history and is absorbed by planets, there would be a saturation point. The difference between past and future would not exist. Time would stop. Perhaps at this moment an event could happen to restart time- brain melt down. I can not wrap my mind around such a possiblity, but I think others have been saying the same thing, only is a different way.

[scameter]

@cswriter,

i assume you know that the I Ching is a Taoist work right? is that not wonderful? Taoism is even capable of selling it's wonderfulness into science. how great.just makes me proud to be one. by the way my friends, please excuse me for continuously talking about Taoism, in nearly every post, but i just love it, and it gives me such joy to practice and know it. but, if someone on here is aggrivated by my continuing observation of Taoism in our conversations, then i will stop. otherwise, please allow me to continue talking about it, for i really love it.

[vicente]

if someone on here is aggrivated by my continuing observation of Taoism in our conversations, then i will stop. otherwise, please allow me to continue talking about it, for i really love it.

My request is that you continue to share you Taoist point of view,...of course, without proselytizing it over honest critique. I'm certainly interested in Taoism. So by your sharing, I get to see a different point of view, and you build upon your understanding of Taoism by sharing it. It's a win-win for everyone.

Vicente

[sonrisa]

Originally posted by CSwriter1@May 21 2005, 11:25 AM

Now if light is history and is absorbed by planets, there would be a saturation point. The difference between past and future would not exist.

Einstein said that the barriers between the past & future are illusions. And that the universe itself is timeless.

[Thomas Knierim]

sonrisa: Einstein said that the barriers between the past & future are illusions. And that the universe itself is timeless.

From the perspective of a photon that is certainly true. Are you a photon? :lol:

Cheers, Thomas

[scameter]

@vicente,

Thank you. I do enjoy expressing my Taoist points of view, and i think that it is helpful for everyone to see something from all points of view, not just one.And, i won't proselytize. i'm not like that. i just enjoy sharing Taoism, not forcing it. as Lao Tzu said," The Tao that is spoken is not the eternal Tao." and to me that means that the Tao must be observed in it's natural state As It Is more than As It Is Said to Be.

[sonrisa]

Originally posted by Thomas Knierim@May 24 2005, 07:35 AM
sonrisa: Einstein said that the barriers between the past & future are illusions. And that the universe itself is timeless.

From the perspective of a photon that is certainly true. Are you a photon?* :lol:

Cheers, Thomas

well, according to my Mama, I am (on occasion) a shining beam of light :D

but I think I weigh too much to be a photon

the question is- was Einstein a photon? :D

[the greek]

Is the human body not comprised of even a minute amount of photons, albeit in a non-static form? Human beings are a constantly shifting amalgamation of trillions and "godzillions" of quantum particles, including photons. Ergo, I am light. I am also many other things, but who's to say that in 2021 we might be able to at least sense the shifting sands of time, if indeed the aforementioned paradox came to fruition and time (past, present, future) converged into a singularity.

[sonrisa]

Originally posted by the greek@May 27 2005, 11:40 PM
Ergo, I am light.

oh Vicente.....