Light Energy

[CSwriter1]

Vinceint! What do you know about light energy? Explain again. No sooner did I logged out and my head started screaming. I forgot to tell you this morning I was wondering why we are not using light to sterilize our kitchens and perhaps our bathrooms. Like I just read an article about avoiding disease with all these efforts to clearn away germs, but there was no mention of using light for sterilization, and I am sure this can be done, because I came across this information before.

Like that is no big deal, but me thinking about light and you writing about it, is a big deal to me. I know plants grown under different colored filters, grow very differently. Each color has a different effect on growth.

Solar flares have been associated to such things as increased accidents. This is not scientifically validated, but worth investigation. So is looking into sun flares and global warming, increased earthquake and volcanic activity, and pestilence and disease.

The Mayan understanding of reality is the sun acts like a radio between the center of the universe and earth. I think that is the jest of the idea anyway. I will post the Mayan forces separately, to enhence any discussion of light energy.

We all know 2012 is the beginning of a new galatic cycle, which means our solar system is in the same place in universe it was in 52,000 years ago. Exactly what this means we are not sure, but the Mayan thought this would be the beginning of a New Age, and several prophecies seem to support this notion.

Whatever, Vincente and others, please explain what you know of light energy.

[sonrisa]

I don't know if it's a galactic cycle. It's definitely a new Earth cycle. I've heard it described as the Earth is rising to a higher vibration, it will occupy a higher spiritual plane. The chaos we've been experiencing in recent times are the pangs of childbirth described in Matthew chapter 24, as the Earth is "born" into this higher plane.

Truthbearer, you paint a rather gloomy picture of the future, saying that the common man (us?) will always be at the mercy of the greedy lust beings, who will always control everything. But wouldn't the new cycle due to start at the end of the year 2012 put an end to all that? I have heard that wonderful things are sposed to happen as the new cycle gets underway- new understanding, enlightenment (well not exactly in the Buddhist sense, more like a new Age of Enlightment) empowerment, new sense of community & common good, a new sense of of everything- a new consciousness I guess would be the word. Is it possible that the common man will get the better of these greedy lust beings & overthrow them? As I see it, that would truly be the start of a new cycle, eliminating greed & building a society based on mutual respect & woking together for the common good & to the benefit of all the members of the society.

[CSwriter1]

Hate to spoil the dream, but there could be a major die off before things get good. We have exhausted major resources. Have you noticed all the metals in our coins that gave them value, gold, silver, nickle, is no longer in new coins. All industrial economies depend on oil, and as the supply dimishes and other large countries increase their demand of oil, older industrial countries are going to hurt. Water is going to be a major problem! This list can go on, but our way of life can not. Like it or not, we are going to have to make major changes, and for me this make the prophecies more important.

We can laugh at all the prophecies and insist there is no sceintific grounds for believing in them, but the exhaustion of resources is predictable. It could be coincidence but this exhaustion of resources is happening when the wierd predictions said there would be major change. Of course there could be a major scientific break through that makes things good before they get worse.

A scientist who studies time, said the I Ching looks like a graph for a heart monitor when it is worked out mathematically, and this heart of the earth stops in 2021, the reverse of 12. East and West are often reversed. Now he said, if we discovered time travel that would make time insigificant, therefore the beat stops.

[vicente]

What do you know about light energy?

More than most. For a primer, I suggest you get a copy of 'The Secret of Light' by Walter Russell
http://www.philosophy.org/cgi-bin/item.cfm...Hard%20Cover%29 (http://www.philosophy.org/cgi-bin/item.cfm?selected=32&title=The%20Secret%20of%20Light%20%28Hard%20Cover% 29)
Although written in 1947, it's beyond what you generally find elsewhere.

We all know 2012 is the beginning of a new galatic cycle, which means our solar system is in the same place in universe it was in 52,000 years ago. Exactly what this means we are not sure, but the Mayan thought this would be the beginning of a New Age, and several prophecies seem to support this notion.

Not exactly. We are never in the same place in the universe,...just as you cannot step in the same creek. However, if seen as a fractal, we do reach a sort of same place, which could be called the beginning.

What is the beginning of a film projected onto the screen at your local theater? From a human-centric point of view it would be the initial credits,...title, main actors, producer, director. From a Maya-centric point of view (I've been to the Maya lands several times, and even lived in Palenque for near a year) the beginning of the film would be before the filming began.

In the film 'The Matrix' (whose Directors borrowed many ideas from Russell's 'The Secret of Light), one dialogue went like this:

The Matrix Reloaded

Oracle: Candy?
Neo: D'you already know if I'm going to take it?
Oracle: Wouldn't be much of an Oracle if I didn't.
Neo: But if you already know, how can I make a choice?
Oracle: Because you didn't come here to make a choice, you've already made it. You're here to try to understand why you made it. I thought you'd have figured that out by now.

Neo: What happens to [Trinity]?
Oracle: We can never see past the choices we don't understand.
Neo: Are you saying I have to choice whether Trinity lives or dies?
Oracle: No. You've already made the choice, now you have to understand it.

****
Although most astro-archeologist I've met are uncertain if 2012 (calculated from the Dresden Codex) is the correct date for the climax of the film in which we are projected actors, I personally feel the date of the culmination of the Maya, Hopi (Aztlan), and Hindu's Kali Yuga Cosmic Cycle, will occur 20 May 2012.

Very basically, on that day, the Sun will be apexed over Chichen Itza, conjunct Venus, the Pleiades and the Moon (29 degrees Taurus), while opposite the galatic center. As you know, Sun conjunct Moon = total eclypse. However, the event will occur at night, when Xibalba, the galatic center is at apex, and the Sun is on the opposite side of earth. If the Planet goes stationary for 3 days as the Hopi suggest, we may very well be on the dark side of it,...or perhaps something else would happen, like a more gradual slowing. Remember, the Earth is spinning at abt. 1038 MPH while traveling at 67,500 MPH (orbital velosity/revolution around the Sun).

In addition, if you were not aware,...the pyramid of Kulkulcan in Chichen Itza is in fact a representation of this astrological event. The seven-ringed tail and shadow-serpent mouth which can be seen during the equinoxes, represents the Sisters, the Pleiades and Scorpio, the galatic center or underworld of the Maya. The May 20th event, it appears to me, will open some sort of a gate which was calculated over a thousand years ago.

To understand the significance of this possibility more fully, we must consider the effects of EMF's on our brain functions.

In the mid-90's, Gregg Braden, a purveyor of leading edge consciousness, described the Hopi Tradition of the time of the Great Purification. To summarize, the "shift" will bring a zeroing-out of the electromagnetic fields on Earth for near 3 days. This temporary voidance of the EMF will bring great fear and panic to the majority of Earths human population, for the EMF is like a glue that holds together most of our beliefs ( check out Persinger's research, ie: http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/7.11/persinger.html ).

Articulating the Hopi prophesy with contemporary themes, Braden likened this Great Purification/Shift to the original computers which did not have internal batteries as our PC's now have. At the Shift, when the EMF zeros-out, will be similar to an older computer "crashing", which meant, it would lose all existing information, and would have to be reprogramed. At the Shift, most people will literally "pass out" due to the exposure of being removed from identification with their beliefs. The one's who remain awake however, their Collective Consciousness, will be the reprogram when the EMF restarts. For those who passed out, when they arise, their past will be erased, and all they will know is what those who remained awake, reprogramed them to know. Under this 2012 paradigm, those who realize and dissolve their belief patterns before 2012, thus being as immune to the shock of zero EMF, will be the one's to set the agenda for the next cycle.


Vicente
:)

[CSwriter1]

some of what people are saying is really crazy making.
Let's try this- NASA can land a space craft on Mars because it follows an orbit, and we can determine where it will be in the future. Our solar system orbits around the center of the universe and this takes 5200 years. In 2012 we will have completed an orbit, like a point on a circle, we will back to the position in the orbit that we were in 5200 years ago. Mayan's figured this out long before anyone else did. A new galactic cycle is like a new year. The cycle is complete and begins again.

Maybe the space dust isn't the exact space dust that was in this place before, like the water moving down stream changes the space may change, but the bridge does not move. If I walk across the creek from my house to my nieghbors house, the water may change, but where I walk across the creek doesn't change.

[vicente]

Maybe the space dust isn't the exact space dust that was in this place before, like the water moving down stream changes the space may change, but the bridge does not move.

Actually, it takes abt 25,868 years for the planets in our solar systen to pass, in retrograde, through the Twleve Constellations,...however, that does not mean we are at a starting point in relation to the universe,...we are in a different space. As for a bridge,...it would now be in another galaxy.

Even if all the Planets lined up exactly the same as some event in the past, the new event would be in a different part of space.

:)

[CSwriter1]

I am operating with brain melt down. I was hoping by staying off line, my head would clear, but as soon as I started reading post, my brain went into melt down. :knockout: Too many thoughts.

Anyway I looked up the book "The Secret of Light" by Walter Russell and it was a hard book to find. However, the search for it lead to find other books I must have!
I seriously want "The Destiny of America" by Manly P. Hall and to check out his other books. I hope I can find some of these at the library, as my finances are really tight for a couple of months. And like I don't already have enough to do :think:
I have open books all over my place, and this is not helping clear my head. I think it is time for me to take a vacantion.

[vicente]

I have open books all over my place, and this is not helping clear my head

I was a book-aholic at one time. Read much of the Manly Hall stuff in the 70's. There is a point however, although not everyone may reach it, when the books pretty near cease. Except for occasional entertainment, we shift to the next level so-to-say, in our continuuum of awakenings.

In the past 5 years I read 3 books,...in the past 10 years, perhaps 8. In the 10 years before that, no less than 500,...and no less than 500 in the 10 before that. In my whole life I read no more than 6 fictional/science fictional works.

In the late 70's I was quite absorbed with the Gurdjieff Fourth Way philosophy (most of which was developed through Kagyu). Gurdjieff would say "people are the book".

I am operating with brain melt down. I was hoping by staying off line, my head would clear,

A quick way to still thoughts is to hold your tongue. Yes, we use our tongue while speaking,...but we also have a tendency, from my observations, to wag out tongues while internally dialoguing. Of course, if you're really intent on stopping your brain melt down, try some of the Just Because Club activities that were mentioned.

V
:)

[CSwriter1]

Okay, I tried holding my tongue, but I am too tired to be very mental active any way. I will try holding my tongue the next time I feel like my brain is about to melt down.

I bought a bunch of Fritjof Capra books with the good intension of reading them, but never read them. Heck I haven't read most my books, and that is a shame because I have some really, really good books.

I am trying to discipline myself to stay with the education books until I complete the book I want to write. Monroe's "Test-Book in the History of Education"published in 1905, is fascinating!

Especially the history of education books are fascinating to me! Do you know Athens basically went through the same transition of liberal education to a focus on technological correctness that we have gone through? Socrates was order to drink hemlock when Athens was in pretty the same stage we are in. Athens democracy lasted only 200 years about the same time our democracy has lasted.

I wish others cared about the history of education, so it could be a shared discussion, instead of a monologue that seems to interest only me. And wow, this really got off the subject of light. Maybe in the morning I will correct that with an encyclopedia of light viberations.
This is also a fascinating subject to me.

[sonrisa]

Originally posted by CSwriter1@May 13 2005, 02:12 AM
Hate to spoil the dream, but there could be a major die off before things get good.*

oh yeah, it's gonna get worse before it gets good. The prophecies say so, read Matthew 24, for instance (http://www.usccb.org/nab/bible/matthew/matthew24.htm). Here in the real world the Long Emergency (click here) (http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/032505I.shtml) pretty much says all the things you've been saying CS, & outlines a new type of society- perhaps for a new type of age?

Vicente, remember last year when you said there's gonna be some 9/11 size shocks to wake people up before things get good? And there was that clown who kept insisting that we were "celebrating death"? :shakehead: CS, several of us tried to explain that this wasn't the case, that things were gonna get bad before they got good, that it's a matter of karma, etc.... I tried to explain what I had learned at a workshop, that the awful things that are happening/will happen is like the Earth releasing toxins & pollutants from her systems, it's a cleansing process- you have to see what's in the closet in order to clean it out. The coming shocks are to get folx out out of their comfort zones & to prepare us for the changes coming with the new cycle. But this person was either unable or just plain unwilling to understand what we all were saying, & we had spent so much time explaining it to him that by the time he dropped out of the discussion, it was pretty much trashed. I tried to revive the discussion a couple times, but it didn't work. So, CS, I'm glad you started up this topic. Hopefully it won't get derailed.

ps to Vicente, where are you getting the May date from? I've always heard that the new cycle is sposed to start on Christmas Eve 2012.

[CSwriter1]

Sonrisa, that was a great article and I moved the subject to Jeffersonian.


Jefferson's concept of democracy was based on an agrarian society. Back to understanding democracy as a way of life involving all our relationships. I don't think giving up our present life style is all bad.

Oh catch the link I posted under the subject evolution.
There have been major human die offs. We may be as we are, not because we all born this way and then experienced diversity, but as dogs came in separate species, so might have we. However, ice ages forced us into close quarters and interbreeding plus die offs, would reduce the diversity.

Vincente, you said too much for me to digest. would you please sit next to me a draw pictures. kidding- but
I would like some pictures. "the pyramid of Kulkulcan in Chichen Itza is in fact a representation of this astrological event". How does this compare with the Great Pyramid in Gisa which is also alined with the Pleiades I think? I need to refer to my book on the Great Pyramid of Gisa. And I can find my Mayan Factor book! It also showed parallels between pyramids. Then the link I put under evolution talks about the gathering and spreading of people. Hey, are we having fun yet?

[vicente]

Especially the history of education books are fascinating to me!

If that is true, than I again suggest 'Zero, the Biography of a Dangerous Idea"

[vicente]

ps to Vicente, where are you getting the May date from? I've always heard that the new cycle is sposed to start on Christmas Eve 2012.

I explained that in my post.

Very basically, on that day, the Sun will be apexed over Chichen Itza, conjunct Venus, the Pleiades and the Moon (29 degrees Taurus), while opposite the galatic center. As you know, Sun conjunct Moon = total eclypse. However, the event will occur at night, when Xibalba, the galatic center is at apex, and the Sun is on the opposite side of earth.

Why did the Maya move from rich farm land, teeming with cascades of water, and abundant with animals and natural resources,...and arrive at desolate, rocky Chichen Itza? The answer is in the pyramid of Kukulcan. What does that astronomically designed structure have to do with Maya Cosmology?

Among the many astronomical references incoporated in the pyramid of Kukulcan, is a serpent with 7 rings on its tail,...the 7 rings are at the top of the pyramid, while the head is at the bottom. (On the Equinoxes, the body of the snake is seen as shadows on the steps).

Xibalba is where, in Maya Cosmology, the maya came from,...which is synonymous with the Galatic Center,...now seen as in Sagittarius, but was in latter Scorpio. Be careful here to not translate Maya Cosmology from our Christian/Western science point of view. Remember, the Maya Calender is still superior to the Gregorian we are forced to use today.

My 20 May 2012 suggestion is based on the astronomy of that date compared to the structure of the Kukulcan pyramid. To me, the pyramid references no such suggestion for the Winter Solstice 2012, except that the Winter Solstice represents the end of the year in many cultures.

If there is no specific activation or shift in May, I would look for November 13, 2012, the opposite eclipse, before the Winter Solstice.

Vicente
:)

[sonrisa]

there's sposed to be a Venus eclipse in June, 2012. As I understand it, Dec dates are given becuz that's the end of the Long Count. It's also sposed to be the start of both a new katun & a new baktun. This dude (click here) (http://www.levity.com/eschaton/Why2012.html) explains it in great detail. I have studied Astrology, however, & your explanation makes sense as well. I wonder if the events of 2012 will be spread out thru the year, & culminate around the Holidays, with the end of the Long Count & the start of a new katun & baktun.

[vicente]

I have studied Astrology, however, & your explanation makes sense as well. I wonder if the events of 2012 will be spread out thru the year, & culminate around the Holidays, with the end of the Long Count & the start of a new katun & baktun.


Yes, it should be a fascinating year,...but also the years leading up to it. Can you recall what life was like before 1994, or 1987? In my opinion, by 2012, 1987 will look like the Dark Ages, as the vibratory level continues to increase at exponentially.

From my observations, if a person from 1987 time traveled back to 1887, they could readily interact with those in the earlier time frame,...however, if someone today traveled back just to 1987, I feel our vibrational level has increased so much that no one in 1987 would even see us. By 2012, if we traveled back to 2005, in my opinion, no one would recognize us either.

Although the so-called speed of light is constant in respect to our perception of light, a society traveling at 128K MPS are unaware of a society traveling at 82K MPS,...even though for both, light is moving past them at 186K MPS.

:)

[sonrisa]

yeah, I've heard at some workshops that the last Mayan cycle actually ended in 1987 & we've got between then & 2012 to get our stuff together to be ready for the start of new cycle. As CS was saying, it's gonna get worse before it gets better, & it certainly seems that way, all this bushit crap. 7 years doesn't seem like a very long time to get it all turned around, but then things tend to happen very quickly, so I'm guessing something will happen in the coming years to get us back on track....

course if Yellowstone blows (http://www.freenewmexican.com/news/13539.html) all bets are off! :D

[CSwriter1]

Hum, what could happen? Earthquake and volcanic action could get our attention, if it greatly increases. I think it has been increasing. Last time I looked at the world map of earthquake activity, every fault line was light up like a Christmas tree, compare to maybe 1 year ago with there were only a few spots of activity.

Contact with a U F O could shake up world religions.
A psyhic long ago, explained the magnetic field around the earth would weaken, and there would be more cyclone type activity. The weakening of our magnetic field would allow a space craft to enter. The long time between the last space craft entery and the present, is the result of our magnetic field preventing entry. Now I don't have the slightest idea if this could be true, but it makes a good story, and some believe there is evidence of contact. Doesn't Mayan mean space traveler?

I am so glad you know more about astrology than I do.
It seems obvious to me our calendar should be pegged by astromonical events.

The explanation of higher frequencies is totally beyound my comprehension. I think of a Star Trek show where the crew heard buzzing, like a sound an insect might make. It was aliens moving a much faster speed. This is beyond me.

[sonrisa]

CS--Hum, what could happen? Earthquake and volcanic action could get our attention, if it greatly increases. I think it has been increasing. Last time I looked at the world map of earthquake activity, every fault line was light up like a Christmas tree, compare to maybe 1 year ago with there were only a few spots of activity.

-- when(ever) Yellowstone blows, it will be, without exception, the worst act of god this country has ever experienced. Far worse than any earthquake, hurricane, flood, drought, tornadoes, wildfires, whatever. When Yellowstone blows, we will be totally screwed, the whole damn country, even east of the Mississippi. Yellowstone blows every 600,000 years or so, give or take a few, & the last time it blew was around 600,000 years ago. Some geologists say it was 640,000 years ago, which means, if they're correct, that its overdue. If we're lucky, it won't go off any time during this century


CS--Contact with a U F O could shake up world religions.

--the Govt is not gonna publicize a contact with a UFO. They haven't for the past 50-odd years & there's no reason to think they would now or in the near future. Course if the aliens made direct contact with the public, like thru a radio or TV station....



CS--A psychic long ago, explained the magnetic field around the earth would weaken, and there would be more cyclone type activity. The weakening of our magnetic field would allow a space craft to enter.

--interesting.. I don't know about any of that, but I once read an account of 2012 that said that on Christmas Eve when the cycle ends all the appliances will go haywire (won't that reek havoc on the turkey! Not to mention the lites on the tree!) At first I didn't understand how the ancient Mayas would know about our modern appliances. Later on I realized that it was a modern writer's interpretation of the prophecy, that the EMF will weaken &/or collapse. That would certainly reek havoc on all things electronical, including appliances!



CS--Doesn't Mayan mean space traveler?

--apparantly Pacal was (click here) (http://www.tierramayaimports.com/PL2.html)



CS--The explanation of higher frequencies is totally beyound my comprehension. I think of a Star Trek show where the crew heard buzzing, like a sound an insect might make. It was aliens moving a much faster speed. This is beyond me.

-- no, no, it was something in the alien's water, some kind of pollutant that made them move so much faster than normal. The alien men were sterile, so they sped up Kirk so they could use him for stud duty. But none of that has anything to do with frequencies.

[CSwriter1]

Sonrisa, thanks for clearing up that Star Trek theme. :) Joseph Campbell, the guru of mythology, said Star Trek kind of services as the mythology of this time.

I finally found my "Mayan factor" book. Here are the 13 viberations used for the matrix

1. The Pulsation-Ray of Unity
2. The Pulsation-Ray of Polarity
3. The Pulsation-Ray of Ryythm
4. The Pulsation-Ray of Measure
5. The Pulsation-Ray of the Center
6. The Pulsation-Ray of Organic Balance
7. The Pulsation-Ray of Mystic Power
8. The Pulsation-Ray of Harmonic Resonance
9. The Pulsation-Ray of Cyclic Periodicity
10. The Pulation-Ray of Manifestation
11. The Pulsation-Ray of Dessonant Structure
12. The Pulsation-Ray of Complx Stability
13. The Pulsation-Ray of Universal Movement