Reincarnation

[CSwriter1]

Truthbearer, we need to continue your interest in a thread labeled for your interest. But unfortunately, now I don't have your words, and if go back a page to get them, I loose what I am saying here. So please, present your arguments here.

I said we must look beyond ourselves to know some important things, such as how the US is turning into the New World Order it fought against, and therefore, every war has been fought for nothing. This could become an awe some discussion of the New Age, because we are in the Resurrection, the past and future are are in this moment and we really need to know more than our own personal experience to make this transition.

[Truthbearer]

G'day CS..
.. and I said, we can only use our personal experiences .. past and present to understand everything.
What we have been, and why.
Why we have been manipulated from the year dot.. and why
Who we once were, and why we are now less .. and why.
What exactly is involved in our evolution/transition.

I am glad you used the word 'transitioning' .. because we transition only ourselves.. no others. We are moving from one dimension (and the many planes of thoughtform we are held within) to another.
And one must become 'aware' .. of all ourselves/past selves - all the selves on the astral, that need integration (because we will be moving into the astral, so it has to be cleaned up) all the shattered and fractured souls .. and when one communes with Soul .. they desire this.
Ascension is a Soul dynamic .. and soul requires healing. And it is Self that does this.
This takes focus, introspection and purpose.

Have we learnt anything from all the wars .. well, we as the people, despair that 'nothing has been learnt' .. but have no control.
Because all the wars ARE beyond our control.
We are manipulated beyond belief.. the controllers even get our sons to go fighting for them, in some false belief (then desert them in their hour of need - when they come home and need help).. We see all this, of course we do - it doesnt take a philophiser to detect something stinks..
But one will bash themselves up, be continualy frustrated, angry, annoyed, make themselves ill even - if one is continualy trying to change the 'machine'.. without seeing the karmas, understanding the past history of this planet (this 'history' is not found in history books, we have to access deeper levels of 'knowing' and knowledge for this history .. it is maintained by souls and angelics - and is called Earths Akashic Records.. the complete history of Earth.

These records are open for all who asks a question, with one exception.. one must be able to forgive.. and forgive.. and forgive.
Because what the records reveal, will blow your mind .. how easy it was to manipulate us, and by many beings we loved and honoured.
They called themselves 'god', and we believed them.
.. and many of these beings, are still being channelled today - by people believing that these beings can ascend them.
Hysterical really - when they caused our fall, and our 2 strands of DNA.

We can theorize and postulate for ever, on past mis-doings, past mistakes .. but this planet has been on inwards spiralling wheel.
De-volution.
The amount of karmas humanity has, is staggering.
And now, we are coming out of it .. the mass consciousness is still not at evolutionary level, but the small percentage that is (there is even a name for this small mass, that is changing the tide of Earths consciousness).
To be a part of this small mass .. one has to detach from politics/history/theorizing-analyzing .. just for a time, to establish ones spiritual integrity .. sometimes this is very hard for the established left brain intellectual to do .. but it must be done.
The rewards far outweigh the garnering of intellectual knowing and knowledge.

(I went on and on, in 'culture' post .. about self-enpowerment and freedom - these attributes are attained by self-healing, which is attained by karmic completions.
When one completes karmas, they become very clairvoyant, and audient.
And answers to questions become very revealing .. we actually are lifting the lid on our controllers .. WHO they are/were.
What their agendas are/were.
What parts we played way back in the past.. and how they correlate with the Now.
And how these controllers back then, are the cause of all our wars, our destructions and worse, our own karmas.. that WE have to divest ourselves of .. it is ALL about forgiveness .. but we have to know what and who there is to forgive .. and this takes a bit of Intent and focus).

So I say CS .. it is our own personal experiences revealed, that we require to transmute and transcend to transition and transform.
And it is Soul that helps us to achieve this.

Namaste and love
Pat

[CSwriter1]

Truthbearer, you and I say too much. You made so many points, and I wish were broken into individual post.

I am guessing you are about 30 because you seem to be in the developmental stage I was in at around 30 years of life. I was much more interested in spiritual matters then, and read Edgar Casey, Chariots of the God's, about Atlantis, Buddhism. I love all the mysteries of life. They give me energy.

I think the female energy is essential to our consciousness, and this could be a fun subject separate to itself. During my moon cycle, it was as though my nerve endings stretched far beyond myself, and my mothering aspect wanted to mother the whole world. As I said another subject of go to women's liberation for this talk.

I agree with the tranistioning consciouness, and the need to heal all souls. However, at my stage in life, my focus is more earthly, and tied to concern for my children, their children and their children's children.
I believe I was incarnated for a very difinite purpose, and that is bringing the past into in the present. Both the past idealism of democracy and of Germany, which was preverted by Prussia into a mechanical society that is anti life. While I believe the forces and motion is great and beyond ourselves, I do not believe the end is already detemined, but will be the consquence of human action. Some of us are aware of being incarnated with purpose, and I would appreciate consideration of that possibility.

I think there have always been opposing forces and that today WE decide which will which force will determine our fate.

I think I have said I was killed when escaping prison in my last incarnation, and I am aware of having a very different consciousness in that incarnation. Just going inside for the answers is not the way. Only when prepared to find the answers you are seeking, will turning within lead to those answers. Ah, yoga, how much do you know of it? One teacher made it very, very clear that we must be careful or we become very deluded. We must check what goes on in our minds with the rest of the world to avoid being self deluded.

[Truthbearer]

[QUOTE]I am guessing you are about 30 because you seem to be in the developmental stage I was in at around 30 years of life. I was much more interested in spiritual matters then, and read Edgar Casey, Chariots of the God's, about Atlantis, Buddhism. I love all the mysteries of life. They give me energy.


I am 59..
and I assure you I am developing in ways that you cannot understand at the moment, this is why I am persevering. xx and I am very much having 'consideration of your purpose'.
(my own journey, is being directed by soul, to impart something to you, that you have missed.. and because my spiritual mastery lays with 'karma', then I can only surmise I am here to tell you such).
We are NOT talking 'fun' (altho' joy and magic are part of the journey)
We are NOT talking 'mysteries' - I am not interested in mystery/beliefs/conditioning/riddles nor philophosy... nor am I interested in others 'Truth' .. I have plenty enough of my own to digest.
As you will discover in your retreat.

In every thing you read, did you continually question? push? demand to know the Truth?
Is this Truth? .. because many are not, and many of these works only had part truths.. the same with philosophical
works.
We get the WHOLE Truth from our communion.
Yes, going inside is the ONLY way, dear CS, there is NO OTHER WAY to ascertain ones Truth.
(it took years of dedication to eventually hear .. not just Souls, but Earthmother and many others).
'retreat' .. I have done many to ascertain and clarify my guidance.
I learnt to pendulum and muscle-test to clarify. (muscle-testing is a way to ascertain body truth)
It was these retreats, that I continually pushed and shoved -- its called focus and dedication.
We do this by questions in our meditations.
(sitting in sweet transcendtal bliss hasnt transcended a darn thing)

A spiritual journey/Ascension journey, is about spiritual knowledge, which gives one their enpowerment - this isnt just about an 'energy'.. this is about purpose/direction and freedom .. Freedom to then do the works that one 'thinks' they have incarnated here to do.. because it is only through ones guidance, that one is directed by soul, the one is sure, and knows their true path and journey in Ascension.
Are you being Soul directed? .. if not then there will be many things you are assuming, believing, guessing, theorizing, extrapolating.
Commune with Soul and 'know'.

No, here is the perfect place for this discussion.- what I am talking about affect 'culture', affects 'religion', affects 'philophosy'.... ascension. Certainly not just a womans issue my friend - this is 'the bigview'.

You posted 'Reincarnation - introspection',
and it is.
Introspection by way of communion. Communion with ones Souls and Earthmother..

we ALL have incarnated for a specific purpose, no doubt.
AND an earthly purpose.. each one as different as there are spiritual aspirants.
If we are ascending on Earth, then how can it be otherwise.
But it is only as one includes Soul and Earthmother, that ones 'purpose' is truly revealed..

CS 'bringing the past into the present' .. is ALL about reincarnation, seeing what and who the controllers really are .. many of them probably wrote the philophsy books - afterall they knew control/democracy in its intimate form.

Dear CS - I am not trying to undermine your purpose, I am trying to say there is more, much more .. but first you must heal self . Your karmas will prevent you from attaining your full enmpowerment of what you want to achieve .. because all the while we have karmas that cause judgement and many other negative ego , these will impede your journey.(have you heard of the 'mirror'? .. these show us our karmas)
Bring Spirit into your journey .. and everything will open out like a flower, and doors will open for you, circumstances and synchronicities engineered for your 'agreements'/path to be fulfilled.

your teacher says 'one must check with the rest of the world' .. then we become sheep

And a retreat, is the perfect environment for agreements and path to be understood.
Namaste
Pat xx

PS .. If you want to know Earths early history (over 100,000 years ago)- to give you an idea of why and how we have been controlled, and why Earths records were hidden down the ages , where there ARE no written records .. only Earthmothers, and I have pendulumed all that I read here, to be true)
www.ascendpress.org

If you want to know how to commune with Earthmother, this site also has documented Earths 'chi-codes' .. and this is the language I use to commune with Earthmother, and my Source - these two beings direct and mentor me constantly.

One must be able to move aside ones logic/ego mind, or one will go into arrogance. Ego and arrogance will deter one from gaining true spiritual wisdom and knowledge.
and it is True Spiritual Knowing, that is our Truth.
And this is gained from Soul communion, and only such.

Namaste
Pat

[CSwriter1]

And so we part agreeing we are on different paths, and are not interested in the other's chosen path.

[Truthbearer]

CS xx - You use the word 'path'.

Path denotes soul. Soul directs our path.

One can either hear soul, and be directed.

Or one can assume/believe .. and stumble around not knowing.
(and therefore not seeing the open doors, the opportunities, the synchronicities to fulfil ones journey upon the path).

We all have totally different paths my love - i do not have to understand yours, nor you mine. I am just to remind you there is soul, and soul would like to be included. xx
Namaste
Pat

[bito]

thinking spiritual ascension is conceptualizing
wizarding of oz*zing
self thinking Self
so Self can forgive self for thinking self and Self

round and round and round
self concepts birthing Self concepts
endless birthings
for endless forgivings




raining
raining
raining




no umbrella

[CSwriter1]

Bito, are you writing off the concept of reincarnation?

I don't completely write it off, because I think there is something good in being connected with all of humanity. I think it is good to imagine ourselves in other time periods and attempt to forget our present consciousness to conscieve of the world as we may have in another time. For me this isn't about forgiveness but understanding.

I kind of like the idea that we are in the resurrection, and there is so much humanity on earth right now, because everyone is incarnating. If we are to get through this moment in time, in anything like a pleasant way, we darn well better work on our understanding of being human and history.

[Truthbearer]

In the understanding, (of our many pastlives - not too many spiritually aware)
We then understand the need for 'forgiveness'.
(of self, and others - this is the healing soul/humanity and Earth require).
Yes Cs - it is all about understanding humanity - history/ biologicol and spiritual.
And quite often, we can do this by going into our incarnations - seeing our pastlives and discovering the Truth within them all.
(and we start to understand why this planet 'fell' in vibration in first place )

xxPat