Fascism, Nazism, Us Today

[CSwriter1]

The following is from "The corner"

A COMPARISON BETWEEN FASCISM AND NAZISM

German Nazism to a large extent resembled Italian Fascism. Both were evolved by ambitious leaders of strong national outlook in the difficult years of the post-war period. Once these ambitious leaders gained power, they quickly extended government control over the political, economic and social systems of their own country until it became a totalitarian state. In foreign affairs, both the Fascists and Nazis advocated an expansionist policy.

But there were four outstanding differences. Firstly, Italian Fascism never had a racial basis. Nazism advocated anti-Semitism and racial superiority of the Aryan race (the German). Secondly, Nazism had a high regard for the peasants who were considered to embody the purest German blood. Fascism did not have such a high regard for peasants. Thirdly, Fascism in Italy led to the creation of the corporate State but German Nazism only led to sweeping government control over economic life. Fourthly, Italian Fascism was an opportunistic ideology. It never offered much in a vision of the future. Nazism offered new hopes to the Germans. The Nazis regarded themselves as the elite who were sure to dominate the world. end quote

Does it really matter who is in the in crowd and who is not? Does it matter who is superior and who is inferior? Does it matter if today Christians and in and those who are not are out? Who does our president represent? Does anyone think he is a secular president? Does anyone think "Shock and Awe" is not blending military and religious might? Doesn't this look like Hitler to you, even though the details are not exactly the same?

[sonrisa]

Originally posted by CSwriter1@May 5 2005, 01:13 PM
Who does our president represent?

-- I'd say he represents his corporate owners

ps grandpa Bush financed Hitler
click here (http://www.pekingduck.org/archives/001811.php)
& here (http://www.tarpley.net/bush2.htm)

so really, what do you expect?

[CSwriter1]

Ah, yes, I know the Bush family was involved in the financing of Nazi Germany. I know that attacking liberals was a German ploy done to make social programs and those who needed them, unpopular, so the government wouldn't have to pay for these programs and could put all its money in military spending.

Reagan scapegoated the poor for the last recession caused by an oil shortage, as surely as the Nazi scapegoated the Jews for Germany's economic problems. I was volunteering and on food stamps at the time, because the town I lived in lost so many jobs, employers had signs on their doors saying they not taking applications. Oregon cut welfare to two parent families when for economic reasons they needed it most. Young family men who could not compete in the shrinking employment market, abandoned their families so their wives and children could help. They went to the mountains where many banded together to survive. When the economy improved, these young men found themselves closed out of jobs, because employers thought anyone out of work for more than 6 months, wasn't truly interested in having a job. The human suffering during this time was intense, and we wer granting arms to Mid East countries.

Yeah, I am sick that even after Bush senior announced we are the New World Order, another Bush was elected. People couldn't believe he meant what he said, but he did.

[sonrisa]

well, if you want to call fixing the voting machines & tampering with ballots & voter rolls "elected".....

[vicente]

"Fascism includes the following concepts: extreme nationalism, top down revolution or movement, destructive divisionism such as class warfare, extreme anti-communism, anti-socialism, anti-liberalism, extreme exploitation, opportunistic ideology lacking in consistency as a means to grab power, unbridled corporatism, reactionaries, the use of violence and terror to attain and maintain power, a cult-like figurehead, and the expounding of mysticism or religious beliefs."


Other things everyone should know about fascism:

http://forums.delphiforums.com/mephesh/mes...ages?msg=1111.1 (http://forums.delphiforums.com/mephesh/messages?msg=1111.1)
http://forums.delphiforums.com/mephesh/mes...sages?msg=992.2 (http://forums.delphiforums.com/mephesh/messages?msg=992.2)
http://forums.delphiforums.com/mephesh/mes...sages?msg=836.8 (http://forums.delphiforums.com/mephesh/messages?msg=836.8)
http://forums.delphiforums.com/mephesh/mes...ages?msg=836.15 (http://forums.delphiforums.com/mephesh/messages?msg=836.15)
http://forums.delphiforums.com/mephesh/mes...ages?msg=836.16 (http://forums.delphiforums.com/mephesh/messages?msg=836.16)
http://forums.delphiforums.com/mephesh/mes...ages?msg=836.31 (http://forums.delphiforums.com/mephesh/messages?msg=836.31)
http://bushspeaks.com/home.asp?did=59&dir=f

PS,...I am Drummer113

Vicente
:)

[CSwriter1]

Thank you vincente. Truthbearer is rather dreamy, like the flower children of 1960. So were the Germans, and this is what made it possible for Hitler to take control and for awful things to be done. Do you want to dare a solution to this problem? How can the people maintain control of their democracy and not become subject to being controlled?

[CSwriter1]

"The government of Nazi Germany was a fascist, totalitarian state. Totalitarian regimes, in contrast to a dictatorship, establish complete political, social, and cultural control over their subjects, and are usually headed by a charismatic leader. Fascism is a form of right-wing totalitarianism which emphasizes the subordination of the individual to advance the interests of the state. Nazi fascism's ideology included a racial theory which denigrated "non-Aryans," extreme nationalism which called for the unification of all German-speaking peoples, the use of private paramilitary organizations to stifle dissent and terrorize opposition, and the centralization of decision-making by, and loyalty to, a single leader."
http://www.remember.org/guide/Facts.root.nazi.html

Okay, does it really matter if people are rallied around race or around Christianity?

[vicente]

Eve is followed by the Dawn of the New Age.

Actually,...Eve is followed by a Deep Sleep.

When the Elohim (plural for god) saw Adam was lonely in Genesis chapter 2 ( following chapter 1 where the Elohim made man and woman equal), they put him into a deep sleep to form (not create) from his rib, a subservient companion of his own flesh who would not leave him as the created woman in chapter 1 obviously did. (The first woman is generally conceded to have been Lilith).

What I find most interesting in the second creation story in Genesis 2, is that nowhere does it mention that Adam was ever woken up. Considering that the Bodhisattvas been saying WAKE UP! for a few thousand years, maybe in this instance the Bible is correct.

Vicente

[Thomas Knierim]

CSWriter1: Does anyone think "Shock and Awe" is not blending military and religious might? Doesn't this look like Hitler to you, even though the details are not exactly the same?

The "Shock and Awe" military doctrine reminds me a bit of the German "Blitzkrieg". Although the tactical details are somewhat different, both are targeted at achieving rapid and overwhelming dominance over the enemy in a military conflict. Blitzkrieg achieves this by preventing the enemy from mobilizing an efficient defense, and Shock and Awe achieves this by instant paralysation and demoralisation of the enemy. So, yes, there are certain parallels in the strategies of the 2003 US invasion into Iraq and the German invasions of WWII. After all, warfare is warfare, no matter who is engaged in it. I am sure that even the Greeks had their versions of Blitzkrieg and Shock and Awe.

CSWriter1: Truthbearer is rather dreamy, like the flower children of 1960. So were the Germans, and this is what made it possible for Hitler to take control and for awful things to be done.

Although it is still a matter of debate how exactly Hitler was able to ascend to a position of such undivided power, I don't think that the word "dreamy" describes the condition of the German nation after 1918 well. The word "shaken" is probably more appropriate. The Germans were shaken by WWI which caused more than 5 million fatalities, by the political reprisals and the political instability that ensued, as well as by the desperate economic situation and the hyperinflation during the 192os.

Thomas

[Truthbearer]

dreamy?
moi?
hmm well, apt .. I DO live in the land of Dreamtime.
I do know that Dreamweaving our Dream is part of our manifesting ability.
And one (with practise) can traverse ones Dreamtime planes.
but dream-y? fantasy?



but I dont see the flower children of the 60's with the purpose and direction that I have.
Nor the focus and dedication.
And the strength and knowing.
Nor I dont see my ultimate destination as a fantasy.

I know, cos I was a flower child.. I stopped smoking pot, grew up (and out) had a family, and started a journey of discovery.
Soul.


Love not war, still holds.
But I've discovered a Truth in amongst the rubble CS.
Karma.
Cant stop the rest of the worlds karma - drama - brutality - stupidity.
Because that what karma creates for us.
But we can stop our own.
THE BUCK STOPS HERE.. right here.
We make the difference with our own lives .. because we sure as hell, cant make a difference to another, until we address our own issues.

But you have to see it/them .. really see them, understand them.(and forgive them) .. and an amazing thing happens.
We start to heal our bodies .. our pschye .. and as we heal our bodies, our lives.. we have the capability to heal others.. fascinating dynamic , karma.
And (yawn) its too difficult for people - they dont have enough time - too busy - noone else is channelling 'karma' - seems in the'too hard' basket (whilst lighting up their next cigarette, and complaining of their spouce/kids/family/back/disease/operation/government.
And some even think they are ascending.. whilst lighting up their next cigarette, and complaining of their blah blah.
(which are all karmas).

Dreamy? .. not on your nellie .. I'm too busy.. mentoring others, clearing karmas, communing constantly, Nature/Earth, readings.. dreams..
transmuting karmas and transcending thoughtform is full time busy work girl.!!
As you would think, having a hand in changing the planets consciousness would be :lol:

And I have to say, every thing else has become deadshit boring.
(even tho' I had a fascinating career and lifestyle - my life now is full of new knowledge, new skills, freedom and self-enpowerment ..and still, far from dreamy)

xx Pat




CS do you think for a moment whatever stuff the German people were made of ..(dreamy or non-dreamy).. Hitler was to be.
(tho I cant for the life of me imagine a 'dreamy' german!! - not being racist here.. just know a few germans)
You seem to be making the assumption here, that the German people could have prevented him from controlling .. just like you all are stopping Bush .. this is the 'machinery' I am talking about in another post. It must 'play out' .. we have no control.(and nor do I want any)
(that isnt my opinion - that is the opinion of the many non-physical beings around Earth at the moment, Earth herself, will advise 'heal yourself beloveds - the rest will look after itself'
What rest?
Ascension.

[CSwriter1]

What I said about the Germans being dreamy will not work without the information posted in "The Anglo'German problem" and knowledge of the shaping factors of their culture. Also, recently Public Broadcasting showed clippings of Nazi concentration camps and at first these people had no idea what was to happen to them. They seemed perfectly happy and trusting that everything would be just fine. I wish I could attach these historical images to what I am saying, because the failure to make my point is has me most distressed.

"But it is not merely the external and physical or racial, or even religious, differences between North and South, between East and West, which must arrest our attention. It is more relevant to the purpose of our argument to enphasize the effect of those differences on the national character, and to point out the absolute opposition between the Prussian temperment and the German temperment, the striking incompatibility of disposition between Berlin and Munich, between Konigsberg and Cologne".

Right now the US is where the Germans were when the Prussians consolidated their control of Germany and turned it into a war machine. This is tied to things like a national ID card, schools having to give recruiters our children's names and addresses. The federal government mandating medical professioals and banks keep accurate records of our addresses. We are slipping into a police state with the power of control that Nazi Germany had, and you all are talking about how lovely it is to turn inward and know truth. Yes, we are as dreamy as the Germans were. While some people are happily search for truth, our reality is turning to a hell on earth. Does someone care to explain what this has to do with reincarnation? That is possible, but please begin with reality.

[vicente]

You seem to be making the assumption here, that the German people could have prevented him from controlling .. just like you all are stopping Bush .

To me, the US is currently under the same type of groupthink that elevated Nazism,...and yes, this can be altered. It's the nature of Spirit to alter.

The following may be somewhat lengthy for a post, but the content will be rewarding for those who continue.

An example, is the story of James, a handsome fellow in his forties, who was desirous to understand a lack of love in his life. He and I, along with my exceptional amigo, Miguel Angel, the Director of al Instituto para el Desarrollo Armonico del Ser Humano, resonated rather well together, and which precipitated a most open communication during our few weeks together.

James was the only child of a single woman who birthed him as a teen, and married someone other than his biological father when he was four. He had a standard, large city, overcrowded, non-extracurricular, 1960's parochial education, with many acquaintences, although most felt he did not belong; which James ingested as not being good enough. Association with girls, dating and sex, began after seventeen, and also had many elements of no being good enough. Before thirty he formed an opinion that his penis was too small, reinforcing the inadequacy, yet our discussions, and discussions with his current girlfriend, suggested he was an above average lover. At twenty-nine he was diagnosed with Hodgkin's Disease, two weeks after finding his then live-in girlfriend in bed with another guy. The "metaphysical causation" of Hodgkin's, according to Louise L Hay, an adept lecturer, teacher and author, is "tremendous fear of not being good enough".

In addition to reviewing James' astrology, and comparing his graph with the synastry of women with whom he had been involved, we also worked several times on a lumatron, a Spectral Receptivity System, developed by Dr. Jacob Liberman, and used Liberman's professional training video 'Healing with Light and Color'. The Lumatron stimulates brain memory, thus self-healing abilities through color; specifically, through observable frequencies from flicker movement, or pulsed light. Remember, everything is light, and divided light can be measured in time as frequency. Memories, beliefs, emotions, etc., have a frequency fingerprint or signature. A Spectral Receptivity device, or light machine, can energetically recreate the frequency patterns of memories, beliefs, emotions, etc.

During James' sixth session on the Lumatron, something deeply emotional was rising to the surface. He began to tear up, and said "I'm just not good enough". Miguel sat a metre or so across from him and empathetically asked James to repeat what he said. "I'm not good enough!" Again Miguel instructed. And James, with tears now on his face, commensed repeating "I'm not good enough, I'm not good enough", and the tears gave rise to crying, and the crying became deeper till his whole being was weeping, yet he continued exclaiming "I'm not good enough. No more than a few minutes seemed an eternity. I could see Miguel's heart as touched as my own. Then James, still repeating his declaration through a crying, heaving voice, sounded as a little boy, then stopped. Then, with barely a pause, a smile began to appear on his wet face. He looked as if astounded, and even though noticably exhausted, stood up and said "I need to take a walk".

Miguel and I hung around till James returned. He looked very different, having a radiance and clear sparkling eyes, yet there was something else about him. "It was my step-father!" he said. While repeating 'I'm not good enough', James relived a scene when his mother got married. It wasn't exactly a memory he said, but he felt he was actually there. There, was an evening in a small apartment where they lived. His mother and new father, thinking he was asleep, were having sex, and his step-father was telling her that she wasn't doing it good enough. Not only did this transfer as an emotional trace or engram, that is, an imprinting which formed a core belief upon an emotionally stricken child, but included with that trace was a conviction that his penis, compared to his step-fathers, was too small to satisfy his mother, a woman. Yet, when he seen the core of this belief that has undermined his whole life, it effortlessly dissolve, and the frequency it held with it. This is why he looked so different; that frequency was no longer part of his being.

There are only two forces in our perceived universe,...giving, and being regiven what was given.

An acquaintence, John Davies, use to say, the universe rearranges itself to accomodate our picture of reality. It, the universe, observes, through the Nature of Spirit, that is, the Law of Frequency, what we are fascinated with, and then brings us more of it.

If we are fascinated with diversions, then Spirit will bring us more diversions. If we are fascinated with seeking, then Spirit will bring us more to seek. For the nature of the Law of Frequency is not "seek and you will find",...that's like saying joy is experienced through the need for joy,...seeking only precipatates more seeking, and the perception of lack precipitates more perceived lack.

Suppose if we are fascinated with what we don't have, then Spirit (the Law of Frequency) will bring us more of what we perceive we don't have. However, if we are fascinated with the love that we are, then those beliefs which cloak that love will have to dissolve, for we cannot look in a mirror with a smile and get a frown reflected back.

The universe rearranges itself to bring us more of those things, on a frequency level, which we are fascinated with.

This frequency signature interaction works much the same on a complex level as a simple one. For example, if you have a single element and view it through a spectrograph, it has a particular frequency, its spectrographic signature. If we add several other various elements to the spectrographs fielf of vision, and continue to observe the original element, we will see that it attracts to itself, in quality and quanity, that which it is giving off.

So, if we have a core emotional issue in our lives, then on a subconscious level, we are broadcasting a "fascination", the core issue, and thus are attracting to ourselfs reflections/mirrors of that issue,...why,...so we can see it. And once we see it, it effortlessly dissolves and is no longer a belief/veil that obscures the real us; and our joy.

Within the above examples is the "why" of America's irrational groupthink that is attracting to it, the same fascist mentality of the 1030's Germany. At like the 1930's Germany, the core belief arises from a Christian belief. If America can see the Core, the groupthink will dissolve, just as effortlessly as James' fear of not beling good enough.

For further info:
http://www.nobeliefs.com/luther.htm

Vicente Marco
:)

[Truthbearer]

Dear CS .. I read you, I understand your frustration and dilemma.

First .. have you seen photos of the Nazi hierachy .. you will notice sometimes on their caps, or on their lapel ...skull and crossbones little tiny insignia.
This is the insignia for the controlling secret elite on this planet.(yes.. too silly, too obvious, almost like the phantom ring ..but nevertheless)
The Illuminati.
Immense wealth, and corruption, gives them their anomonity.

These are the planets controllers.
like the Romans .. before them, and after them.
WE reap the karmic manipulations, the karmic circumstance because we are ensouled .. these beings are not ensouled .. they are anti-christs.
And so one cannot separate spirit from power .. spirit from politics.
We see the spirit is there .. or is not, and we retreat from where it is not.
(Too bad if people think this is 'escapism'.. burying ones head in the sand - but we are not idle in doing this. We are very very busy, working on other 'planes' or realities .. to try and change the one we live on.

The common man is fodder for this global secret elite.
With regression and pastlife expereinces we can actually see a pattern emerging .. the common man has never, and never will be able to defeat these controllers.
It all goes in cycles .. wars/devastation/power changes.
All the while these brutal, greedy, power lust beings have control, the common man is at their mercy, because they control EVERYTHING.(even religions).. so we extract ourselves from what they control.
They have never cared for humanity, nor the planet that sustains even them.

so..... all we can do, is each and everyone of us CREATES OUR OWN REALITY .. It is ALL we can do, and do it we must.
We stop being attached to things we cannot change
(politics and the power machine).

Great post Vincente .. I advocate past life regression as well, because we will discover ALL our negative thoughts and actions started somewhere beyond our 'now' self .. everyone dang one of them.
And as we heal, we empower ourselves.

And as Vincente post was exactly 'synchronious' .. we HEAL ourselves.
(James was lucky to correlate something in this life - many of these type of remembrances are from past life circumstances)
(and I, too, advocate Louise M Hay 'Heal Your Body' .. the negative thoughtform are karmas, and we dig deep to understand where the hell they all came from!! .. because they will correlate to a dysfunction in our body.
and CS. I know you will say .. what has 'healing' got to do with Anglo/Nazi, and the issues you have outlined.
It is our empowerment.. strange as it may sound.
One only has to start this process to understand what I am talking about.


Vincente says.. "It is the nature of spirit to alter" .. aka IT IS THE NATURE OF SPIRIT TO EVOLVE .. we cannot alter or evolve politics, nor history., where there is no Soul or Spirit, there can be no evolution,.B
But we CAN evolve our Spirit, AND our physical selves.. this is self-healing.

Vincente, whilst I concur with everything you say.. this is my take on seeking.
It is only through seeking, that we discover.. only through the questions asked, that are answered. The answers bring many more questions .. the discovery of what was unknown before me, reveals knowledge that begs more questions.
If seeking brings more seeking .. then there is more to seek.. and yes we are seeking all that we have known.. being re-given all that we had.
If one says .. I do not need to seek anymore, I know it all.. then he wasnt seeking the Universal Truths of All That Is.
Because this takes an element of 'seeking'/pushing/determination.

If the seeking brings more seeking, it is because there is more to find.



And I totally agree with you.. down the ages it has been religions that have instilled a core belief of negative self-worth, which suits governments just fine.
.. Religions have disenpowered us .. and now we need to regain our power. But if one doesnt see this 'disenpowerment' where it lays, or is not interested. Then they will not experience true freedom.
And we give it away unknowingly, at the drop of a hat.

And I say, it is through tapping into our deep genetic spirituality.. will be our healing and our self-enpowerment.

Namaste
Pat

[CSwriter1]

Vincente, I am overwhlmed by you wrote and tears come to my eyes. This is a moment such as your friends moment of awareness. I have been trying to say what you said, but I don't think the general public would be receptive to your explanation, without a boarder understanding of what is happening here.

Yes, when we adopted education for technology, we replaced training for independent thinking with "Group think". We replaced logic with memorization. I have noticed some schools are returning to logic but we are so lost now, the whole system is in chaos and too controlled but NWO forces in the federal government. This change is great for the rapid development of technology, but it sucks for civlization and especially one with liberty. Everything is so preverted now, we are self destructing, and the world is in danger.

I need to retreat now and ponder what you said and my efforts to wake our consciousness to what has happened to our democracy. Thank you so much Vincent. This is emotionally exhausting and wonder what will come to mind next.

[vicente]

If one says .. I do not need to seek anymore, I know it all.. then he wasnt seeking the Universal Truths of All That Is.
Because this takes an element of 'seeking'/pushing/determination.

If the seeking brings more seeking, it is because there is more to find.

That is an excellent critique. I haven't considered those who never arrived at the Maslow level of seeking,...on this forum and others I assume I'm discussing with those past the basic Food, Shelter, Clothing focus. I'll have to add a comment in my dialogue that by letting go of seeking means letting go of what we (the we we think we are) think and know.

Saw a quote from Marianne Williamson last night,..."Love is what we are born with. Fear is what we learn. The spiritual journey is the unlearning of fear."

V
:)

[vicente]

I need to retreat now and ponder what you said and my efforts to wake our consciousness to what has happened to our democracy. Thank you so much Vincent. This is emotionally exhausting and wonder what will come to mind next.

Although I've posted the following before, if that is how you really feel CSwriter1, here's a suggestion:

René Descartes, in regards to the beliefs of the senses, said "all that I have tried to understand to the present time has been affected by my senses; now I know these senses are deceivers, and it is prudent to be distrustful after one has been deceived once".

A question here could be, is there something beyond the senses? A method of discerning the you that you really are, verses the you that you think you are, which is dividing you from your authentic self?

There are Transformational Triggers which can temporarily put our personality (ego) on hold,...thus allowing the us we really are to be undivided.

Where religion always steps between us and our experiences, Transformational Triggers can precipitate for us an uncovering of tremendums, that is, direct ecstatic, sapiential experiences. These activities bring pause to ego, beliefs and attachment to the past, and thus, being free of preconceived references, engage us, if just for a "taste", in the Eternal Now,...thus transcending the common senses.

For me, the Supermarket Activity is one of my favorites. A key to successful Transformational Triggering however, is don't over analyzed,...just do it.

Supermarket Activity
Enter a Supermarket for one hour,...not a WalMart or Sears, but a market like America's Safeway, Albertsons, Krogers, Acme, etc. In the store, you touch nothing, not a cart, not a basket,...read nothing, talk to no one. If someone talks to you, touches you, or you touch something,...immediately pick up an item, go to the check-out, pay for it and leave. Then try again later.

Some suggestions: don't wear a watch, for someone may ask you the time,...unfamilar stores seem to be better, so your friends won't say Hi,...if you do have to suspend the task, you don't have to pick up something expensive.

I've also had good results showering without water, and not watching a movie,...popcornless.

Also,...read the JBC intro. For example "Not jumping to conclusions turns out to be a pretty good habit....Jump meaning to form a conclusion prematurely before all the data is in.
http://www.slimeworld.org/xxaxx/jbc_ndx.html

Once the us we think we are, lets go of control, there is less of, or none at all, of the division which obscures us understanding our purpose here. You may think you know your purpose,...and perhaps, what you think may even be accurate,...but when we are no longer divided, between the we that we are and the we we think we are, then our authentic purpose will be clear.

V
:)