Logic Of Monotheism

[CSwriter1]

Vincente, I am strongly against religion as a source of defining reality and then basing political action on this concept of reality. However, as you said cancer is treatable, and instead of attacking Christianity in such away that will only strengthen it, that cure is science and better reasoning offered very, very gently. People are emotional before they are rational, and their emotions can block their ability to reason.

This strange phenomenia seems to be happening to your reasoning as well. Aristotle's "Logic of monotheism" was not the superstitious monotheism of Christianity, and yet you seem to be having trouble giving up your argument.

The democracy of the United States was result of science and philosophy breaking the hold religion had on people's minds. The founders of democracy were largely deist. That is believe in one God as did Aristotle, but not to accept the bible as the word of God. This one God is nothing like Zeus or the biblical God, but is the force of universal law. You know, that force that controls atoms, physics, the nature of animals and man, and everything in space, the whole multidimensional reality of quautum physics, without ego and without personality.

Reason is the controlling force of the universe. When we discover the cause and effect, we can speak the law.
To discover God, use science. Get it? Every single person in a democracy should know this simple fact of democracy.

[vicente]

that cure is science

Is not science merely another belief system?

Aristotle's "Logic of monotheism" was not the superstitious monotheism of Christianity, and yet you seem to be having trouble giving up your argument.

Most Church Fathers based their concept of monotheism on Aristotelian Logic. Although Aristotelian Logic had/has its interesting points, the fundamental idea of "one" and rejection (including the threat of death) of un-natural numbers, has undermined the evolution of humanity and realization of World Peace. For a primer regarding this subject I'd suggest 'Zero, the biography of a dangerous idea".

The democracy of the United States was result of science and philosophy breaking the hold religion had on people's minds. The founders of democracy were largely deist. That is believe in one God as did Aristotle, but not to accept the bible as the word of God.

I can somewhat agree with that. However, I would wager that the Deists of the 18th century would today have already let go of all monotheistic concepts.

Reason is the controlling force of the universe

The controlling force of the universe is the perception of separation which effects motion, and that motion is energy seeking balance, which it can never find, because their is no energy in balance.

When we discover the cause and effect

Separation is an appearance of an effect of cause. When the effect of cause is uncovered, which is a diversification out of balance, is understood, a realization of what I am and what I am not will be clear.

Before any of that is uncovered on a mass level however, there must first come (from a humanistic viewpoint) an obliteration of basic dishonesty, which included the relegation of the Abrahamic religions to the dark walls of museums.

Science can certainly be helpful, but also legitimate Bible study, not merely Biblical deliberation solely for exposition and devotion. There is enough evidence today, if taken as a whole, to prove that the Bible is a fabrication which is destructive to the evolution of humanity.

We can BS around that it's not Christianity at the root of bigotry, hate and intolerance in todays American political scene,...but BS is what it is. Why not call a spade a spade, and get on with the Culture War.

The Christian religion and America are incompatible. The core beliefs of Christianity are everything that the US Constitution is not. For example:
http://skepticreport.com/tools/10command.htm

Either politicians put the US Constitution before their faith-based views, or we should demand their removal.

As for a "reasoning" cure for Christianity:
http://mypage.direct.ca/w/writer/library.html

Vicente
:)

Vicente

[CSwriter1]

I am the wrong person to argue the faults of Christianity with, because there is no arguement. I agree Christianity and democracy are not compatible.

Our conflict is over how we awaken others to that fact.
Is science just a belief system? I suppose it is, and a very good one at that. So is everything you say based on your beliefs. Are you trying to imply your beliefs are better than science? I can not accept that. I can not think of what your belief has contributed to the world, other than argument, whereas, scince has dispelled superstition, extended our life span, and in so do, added exponentially to the pool of intelligence
of which we can become conscious.

Your insistance on tying God to religion is exasperating. Break the tie. God is the X factor, not a being with ego and personality.

[vicente]

I agree Christianity and democracy are not compatible.
Our conflict is over how we awaken others to that fact.


Unfortunately, for most, things are not considered till its on TV. This is why I feel (unless something unforeseen arises) that the 2009 Thomas Paine Celebrations can be the medium through which the intent of America could be media-ted. If you're not aware, TP was the Father of the American Revolution and person who coined the term United States of America.

"It has often been said that anything may be proved from the Bible; but before anything can be admitted as proved by the Bible, the Bible itself must be proved to be true; for if the Bible be not true, or the truth of it be doubtful, it ceases to have authority, and cannot be admitted as proof of anything." Thomas Paine

Your insistance on tying God to religion is exasperating

Have you ever looked up Gor or Religion in a dictionary? How are you going to untie them? New Age magic? You know, Our God is really the sum total of the universe.

For most sciences (Aristotelian logic) that is possible,...but lets look at it through quantum physics. In quantum logic there is no One. Two absences do not make a presence.

Let me repeat:

Quantum Cosmologists Steven Hawking and Jim Hartle, say that since time loses characteristics that separate it from space, the concept of a beginning in time becomes meaningless. There is no BigBang, no singularity, because there is no time, just another direction of space.
From this Quantum Cosmological view, there actually is no creation, thus no creator,...because the word creation/creator implies a before and after, or time. A point of interest here is that presumed enlightened Bodhisattva's been saying that for a few thousand years as they embraced Timelessness.

Perhaps quantum cosmology can help. But the FACT is, Christianity is a lie. So why spend another millennia trying to fit the lie into science? Why not confront the lie.

Vicente

[Truthbearer]

Vicente .. speaking from the heart of a Bodhisattva .. we embrace Timelessness no doubt.. but do not deny existance of a Higher Consciousness, a One Source, who also has a One Source.
(higher councils/counsels of great consciousnesses .. once we know of their existance, we desire communion - the more we divest ourselves of karma, the more clearer , and constant, this communion becomes)

It is this One Source that guides us to our Bodhisattva status afterall.(and beyond).
And it is this 'One Source' (Tao/God/Creator Source, the name is immaterial) that guides us from 'logic'/old dogmas/new dogmas - to channel/commune our own Truth.
And from then, we do not read, or desire to read anothers Truth, we have our own.

Namaste
Pat


And one has to discover what creates 'timelessness' in the human energy field.
The absence of karma.

[vicente]

Vicente .. speaking from the heart of a Bodhisattva .. we embrace Timelessness no doubt.. but do not deny existance of a Higher Consciousness, a One Source, who also has a One Source.


Speaking from a Bodhisattva heart,...there is no One, nor a Many. One is a concept of perception. As long as one thinks there's a One, the Bodhisattva heart is no uncovered.

And it is this 'One Source' (Tao/God/Creator Source, the name is immaterial

As long as you are identifying with a "noun", which is an object, the heart is veiled. Until you emancipate yourself from the idea of a "Tao/God/Creator Source" you will be "guided by 'logic'/old dogmas/new dogmas - to channel/commune our own Truth".

The truth of the Bodhisattva heart is the essence of the Heart Sutra.

Namaste
Vicente

[CSwriter1]

Thank you, Truthbearer. I enjoyed Vincente's explanation of quantum reality and think Stephen W. Hawking's thoughts are worthy of contemplation, however, I do not enjoy disagreement that seems of minor importance, such as the word we use for the escence of what is.

My heart needs a God, so I empathize with religious people. I just wish they could drop the superstition of a jealous, revengeful and fearsome God, who obviously won the competition between several tribal Gods.

When I think "God" my heart feels warm, and there is no doubt that this benefits our health. Praying works, no matter what a person's faith. I choose to stick with this science finding and God/Source beyond my comprehension. While I also what to raise awareness of scince as a better source for understanding reality, than a tribal God and book written by people with a very limited understanding of what is. I think "God" is a bridge, while insisting there is not one, becomes a wall.

[Truthbearer]

The 'noun' resides inside of self..

The noun cares not if it is called a noun, as long as one is hearing and communing with said noun..

It is this communion that is the important aspect of our spiritual lives, not the discussion on whether god is one or many.
We are all aspects of the noun .. one asks ones own guidance/noun from where it comes .. and the noun replies.

CSwriter, it is our hearts that we use to commune .. with Souls, with Earthmother .. we do this by connecting our rightbrain and our hearts .. all the while one has logic, or uses anypart of logic, ones communion will be flawed .. because there is no 'heart' in logic.
and there is no raising ones consciousness in science.

Raising ones consciousness is all about unifying heart and mind. Rightbrain and heart .. no left brain.
In fact, it is the left brain activity that we now need to 'set aside'.
It will be ones Soul/Source guidance that mentors us, guides us, how to constantly do this .. Be this.

And with constant mentoring we then become pure Expression of Source .. this is what we desire, for this is the ultimate - the all-knowing, all-seeing: so we surrender to this higher knowledge.

This higher knowledge desires that we divest ourselves of all karmas .. and so we do.
We do whatever our Source desires from us.
We become more clairvoyant, more clairaudient.
These are gifts and tools to see the unseeable, know the unknown.
Which we do .. and as we see and know, what has never been known before, we start to be empowered.
We start to see what has been kept 'secret' from us, and why.

And then we see why we must be free, from our left brain activity.. why we must be free from all attachments (which are karmas). free from controls (religions included).

The path must become SOVEREIGN.

And it can, because we have our communion.


And one needs to have no more discussions/debates/theories/assuming .. because we go within and ask our Souls, our Source (we have One from our Solar Sun .. and now we have One emanating from the Greater Central Sun .. One is made of the consciousness of many).

Souls, Earthmother (she is very much a part of this ascension equasion) Source, Nature .. all come in on a question.

I assure you Vicente .. my heart is far from veiled .. it is wide open, this is why I have Bodhisattva level evolution.

I think you mis interpreted my sentence....(which may have been my mistake)
we MOVE from old/dogmas, new dogmas (old beliefs, conditioning - mainly by karmic clearing)
so we CAN channel and commune our OWN Truth.

And in Ascension .. it is the Truth that sets us Free.

Namaste
Pat

[CSwriter1]

Truthbearer, I love much of what you say, except this idea that science isn't enlightening and does not reveal God. I know I am different, but science excites my lower chakra. The one of recreation. When I am excited like this, my heart feels in love. I am sure this is what Pythagoras and his followers had to feel when they explored math. It is obviously what Michael S. Schneider felt when he wrote "A Beginner's Guide to Constructing the Universe THE MATHEMATICAL ARCHETYPES OF NATURE, ART, AND SCIENCE".

I am focusing on God and science, because we need to understand this, before we can understand democracy. Right now our nation is completely perverted and is nothing as our idealistic forefathers intended. I think this is largerly because Christianity shuns science to promote its own world view, and is so dominate in US culture that it controls the culture in ways people are not even aware Christianity is controlling. To save our democracy, we must learn more about it, and become aware of the effect of Christianity on the democracy. Especially, since Bush mixed religion with military might "Shock and Awe" I have been determined to make a difference.

[CSwriter1]

One more thing- while some may believe there spiritual focus is what some higher power wants of them, I am sure my purpose in life, before I was born, is to reawaken consciousness of democracy depending on science and family order. I believe books come to me by a power I do not understand. I believe my parents and grandmother are part of this higher purpose. Not that they are conscious of it, but like enlightening books, they made me aware of my purpose.

Most important, is my grandmother began teaching as we mobilized for the first world war, so I became unusually aware of how public education was used to mobilize us for both world wars and to prepare us for the New World Order we thought we defeated. As some feel moved to share their spiritual knowing, I feel moved to share this other knowing, and I do so with passion, and growing love of democracy, and awe of ancient wisdom, and reverence for a God I do not know. I also do so with New Age ideas of the end of one galactic cycle and beginning of a new one. Some of us are here transition earth through the end and beginning.

[vicente]

My heart needs a God, so I empathize with religious people

Poor, poor CSwriter1,...the last thing your heart needs is a god. The heart, that is the heart of your essence (your sapiential center) is Unconditional. You cannot bring conditional concepts, such as god, into the heart. Thus, your belief actually obscures the Heart.

Vicente

[vicente]

I assure you Vicente .. my heart is far from veiled .. it is wide open, this is why I have Bodhisattva level evolution

Something I have noticed regarding those with an bodhisattva heart, is that the words used become more specific.

And in Ascension .. it is the Truth that sets us Free.


I like to say, through honesty is realized that the ascension is simply the reverse of the descension.

Vicente

[Truthbearer]

Dear CSwriter ..
We dont use 'science'/logic to BECOME enlightened .. to raise our consciousmind.. none whatsoever)
That is not to say a scientist, cannot become enlightened.
it may be your passion .. and part of your path.
But only part.
When we start to commune with Soul, this also becomes a passion, a purpose .. what greater function/purpose, and fulfillment, can we achieve, by doing Soul/Source/Gods bidding?

Your heart IS your God .. any heart activity will bring you closer.
The way to be constantly in our right brain, spiritual mind, heartmind IS through our hearts.
But you have higher chakras to consider.
These higher chakras also bring us closer. (and one must have a balance.. or we go out of whack - learning to balance all the chakras, or we assume arrogances, or lacks.

You may be empassioned to 'save' democracy .. but first you must 'save' yourself .. you can only change others, by changing self first.. and this means understanding self.
This 'understanding' self becomes integral to ascension/transcendation.
First the self-healing THEN we tackle the planet. xx

and then we learn to take a step back from controllers, religions/christianity.. politics/democracy..
Why? .. because as one gets their higher chakras as mobilized as your lower ones .. we start to get communion with our Soul .. and Soul has plans for us .. which generally include our passion.(but often, not in the way we thought) . but the physical and the non-physical body must be healed first.
Because one must be Sovereign.. all the way. Freedom from all attachments, including what you think you are here to do..
Detached.
(the most freeing and relaxed state to be in.. we are not emotionally 'tied' to anything-- bliss)

Fully understanding self.
The physical body and its correlating etheric body, and energy fields (subtle body/Lightbody/kundalhini .. these must be running at optimum)
Karmas.-dealt with (one cannot walk and talk ones truth, nor be what is required by soul, unless we address these)
And these are aspects many would like to push under the carpet.. and do, because they dont have a regular clearing, and communing process up and running.
And learning a discernment tool , aka muscle-testing and/or penduluming ones bodytruth.

These are the keys to attaining ones higher vibrations.
There may be science and politics in your passion .. but one must divest themselves of their old 'self' first, to have an integral role to play in ones future ascension path/truth.

Namaste
Pat xx

[CSwriter1]

I think some people love their beliefs so much, their minds are closed. CS

[vicente]

I think some people love their beliefs so much, their minds are closed. CS

Exactly! Or better put,...some people think they love their beLIEfs so much, their minds remain closed.

I'll critique Truthbearer to break it down:

We dont use 'science'/logic to BECOME enlightened .. to raise our consciousmind.. none whatsoever)

The sciential mind is to knowledge/psyche/brain, what the sapiential Mind is to gnowledge/thymos/Heart.

by doing Soul/Source/Gods bidding?

I would obviously disagree here, for there is no god beyond Duality's Reality,...but many people associate the concept with Source,...even the Dalai Lama. Go Figure! Guess they're attempting to speak on the level of beLIEvers. Even Eckhart Tolle speaks of god after he says: "we need to draw our attention to what is false in us, for unless we learn to recognize the false as the false, there can be no lasting transformation, and you will always be drawn back into illusion, for that is how the false perpetuates itself"

At face value, I'd suggest that neither the Dalai Lama nor Eckhart Tolle have realize enlightenment.

Your heart IS your God .. any heart activity will bring you closer.

This is a alien concept to me. Yes I can grasp the idea,...god isn't the accepted definition in English dictionaries, but has a new definition. Why not just let go of the concept altogether?

You may be empassioned to 'save' democracy .. but first you must 'save' yourself

This is a famous Bodhisattva saying,...the greatest gift you can give the world is your own healing. Healing what? Healing your perception that you have a split mind. And what's that suppose to mean? To explain I'll share one of my favorite quotes from ACIM:

"the ego uses the body to conspire against your Mind (in this context the Mind has no relation to intellect), and because the ego realizes that its 'enemy' (the Mind) can end them both (ego and body) merely by recognizing they are not part of You (the Mind), they join in the attack together. This is perhaps the strangest perception of all, if you consider what it really involves.
The ego, which is not real, attempts to persuade the Mind, which is real, that the Mind is ego's learning device; and further, that the body is more real then the Mind is.
No one in their right Mind could possibly believe this, and no one in Their 'right Mind' does believe it"

Fully understanding self.

This is a key that sciential minds have spun into something it's not. The term says "Gnothi Seauton", to Gnow Thyself, not to Know Thyself. Until you understand the difference, you generally won't uncover the heart.

Words point to different things. It is wise to understand what they point to.

know\no, v. knew, known, know-ing, knows; OE gecnawan, be able to;
akin to L. gnovi. 1. to perceive directly through the senses;
comprehend through the intellect. 2. to have fixed in the intellect
or memory, something as true. 3. to be acquainted with or have a
practical understanding of, as through sensory experience; know how
to cook. 4. to comprehend noologically; through thought/intellect.

gnow\no, v. gnew, gnown, gnow-ing, gnows; from Gk gnosis, knowledge
of spiritual matters. 1. to understand directly through metasensory
awareness; comprehend through the heart of essence. 2. to experience
unmedia-tedly, something as true. 3. to be acquainted with or have
gnostic understanding of, as through metasensory experience;
to gnow love. 4. to comprehend ontosophically; through wisdom/gnosis.

but one must divest themselves of their old 'self' first

There is often a confusion regarding Surrender. Surrender isn't a "giving up", but an allowance of a flow,...your own flow. Flowing with Spirit without hesitation. What your divesting is resistence.

Vicente
:)

[CSwriter1]

Point of this circle is Democracy. Please stay on point or start a new subject.

[vicente]

Point of this circle is Democracy. Please stay on point or start a new subject.

The topic is Logic Of Monotheism

"the greatest gift you can give the world is your own healing",...do you think you can spin democracy without it?

V

[CSwriter1]

Vincente, I know it is my intention to raise awareness of democracy as an ideology started in Athens, and raised again by the Diest founders of the US democracy. That makes democracy the point of just about everything I say. When I start a subject, democracy is the point of the subject. The subject is a point on the radius round the first point.

I wanted to clarify there is a logic of monetheism, that is not based on superstitious religion, because this is important to understanding democracy and you were arguing that monetheism must be the superstitious stuff that neither one of us like. I do not understand why those who want to discuss Buddhism don't do it on the discussion group for Buddhism. Why insist on turning every discussion into a discussion of your belief? I want to discuss democracy and related philosophy. Why do you keep changing the subject?

Maybe my words are not exacting, but then I am not limit to one subject and only one point of view. There is a benefit to specializing and a benefit to being a generalist. Pericels of Athens, defended generalist. Specialization was more of a Spartan value. Sparta was the enemy of Athens, except during the Persian invasions.

[vicente]

Vincente, I know it is my intention to raise awareness of democracy

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Spiritual_At...sts/message/278 (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Spiritual_Atheists/message/278)

wanted to clarify there is a logic of monetheism

There never was an honest logic regarding monotheism. There is no One beyond duality.

I would not credit Aristotle with monotheism, but Aristotelian logic has sustained the concept of monotheism, still today. Who do you know that would agree that Oneness is as much as an illusion as the Many? All positives and all negatives do not equal One, they equal Zero. Without a Boundary there is no Center. Without a Center, there is no Boundary. Monotheism is simply another aspect of Duality's Reality.

The Egyptians were the fathers of Pythagorean geometry. When adopted by the Greeks, the cult leader, Pythagoras, merged geometry with philosophy. Irrationals were a danger to this geometric-philosophy, for it threatened their ratio-based universe. As such, anyone discussing, writing down, expounding on irrationals, or ideas like zero, were usually murdered. One of the more famous legends was that of the mathematician Hippasus, who murdered for discussing the secret of the irrationals. After some time, attempting to cling to their ratio-based universal philosophy of Oneness, Pythagoras and his Pythagoreans were killed in retaliation for their murders.

Although Pythagoras ended up with a slit throat in a bean field, considered a disrespectful death at the time, his school continued, and with it, the concept of monotheistic math and suppression of zero.

I do not understand why those who want to discuss Buddhism don't do it on the discussion group for Buddhism

This is a Buddhist related philosophical discusion board. Did you not notice the 3rd folder from the top, or that our host is a Buddhist who lives in Thailand.

I want to discuss democracy and related philosophy. Why do you keep changing the subject?


I like discussing democracy also.

1st,...this thread is titled "Logic Of Monotheism "
2nd,...the "Logic Of Monotheism " is a HUGE discussion is the saving of America. Keep in mind, that according to a March 2004 poll by the Associated Press, nearly 86 percent of Americans support the impermissible government endorsement of their monotheistic religion.

So,...let's talk democracy in America. Please read these following quotes carefully,...they are the leaders of the Party in power in America today:

"We don't have to protect the environment, the Second Coming is at hand....after the last tree is felled, Christ will come back." Secretary of the Interior James Watt on Global Warming

"I want you to let a wave of hatred wash over you. Yes, hate is good . . . our goal is a Christian nation. We have the biblical duty, we are called on by God to conquer this country. We don't want equal time. We don't want pluralism..." Randall Terry, Director of Operation Rescue

(Note: Pluralism ended in 1957 when Christians changed E Pluribus Unum to In God We Trust.

"the solution to Islam is for the United States to invade their countries, kill their leaders, and convert them to Christianity." Ann Coulter 2001

"The inability or unwillingness to hate makes a person worthless. If we do not hate detestable things, the quality of our character is suspect. The Bible commands that we hate". H. A. (Buster) Dobbs, Church of Christ.

"I don't know that those who don't believe in God should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God." George HW Bush, August 27, 1987

"If you have the opportunity to get a few liberals out of office, do it," he told the evangelicals. "You will be doing the Lord’s work, and He will richly bless you for it." Republican Sen. James Inhofe, of Oklahoma

"I am fighting for the work of the lord", George W Bush April 11, 2002

Do you think we can have a Democracy in America if politicians and the Leadership of the Party in Power put their Faith-based delusions before America?

Vicente

[CSwriter1]

Yes I noticed the third folder for Buddhism.

I don't think a buddhist would get involved with the ridiculus arguing about monethesium that I am trying to avoid. So much picking over something so unimportant.
You have completely distorted the intent of my writing, and I don't appreciate it.

I don't want to discuss democracy in the United States. I want to discuss democracy as a Greek philosophical concept. Right now the US is organized for the New World Order and that is what citizens of the US fought against in two world wars.

People who know everything, can learn nothing.

[Truthbearer]

Democracy as a Greek philosophical concept - in this New Age is irrelevant.

Democracy is irrelevant .. and Greek philosophy even more so.

This is the New Age ..not constantly harking back to old manuscripts, old theories, old wisdoms.

Cant we start writing our own? .. does wisdom have to have a 'name' attached to it before we take notice.?

What is New Age?? (you have it under your name).
It is the New Consensus .. Ascension.
A pure spiritual dynamic.. where we will become pure expression of Soul. And there is no room for politics.
And insodoing, we will channel our own wisdom, our own governance - not following, or being led by others (anymore).
(so if I bring 'spirituality' into everything .. it is because this is the way the planet Earth is heading - this is NOT a belief .. this is a knowing)

As everything you hold dear is 'democracy'.
everything I hold dear is 'ascension'..
Are the two compatible?
With the governing forces we have today?
hardly.
Democracy is still based on political attunements..power.
Governments pay lip-service to democracy.

All the while we have the governments we have.. based on control, which are based on non-love, non-unity , non-collaborative principles, which are non-ascending - nonevolutionary.

Until Democracy can become 'unity' ..'community' 'honour' 'Truth'.. we shall learn to govern ourselves.. which we are starting to do now.
As we transcend ourselves .. we also transcend all controlling forces.
which are governments.

WE are the new philosphers CSwriter.

In Ascension, we channel our own Truth, our own wisdom.
We SEE the Truth in all things.. we see the lies, the 'secrets', the untruths and dishonesty, and it is governments that perpetrate all these, setting the tone, as it were - and this 'sifts' down to business/banking/corporations.
If the governments are liars and cheats, well .......

Because we have lifted all veils .. and can not be a part of the governments as we know them today .. and democracy would be tainted/is tainted.

Namaste dear CS
Pat

[CSwriter1]

Truthbearer, Before we should judge something, don't you think we should know something about what are judging?

What do you know of Athens philosophers? Democracy is based on philosophy and considering you know so much, would like to the begin with one of them? CS

[vicente]

I don't think a buddhist would get involved with the ridiculus arguing about monethesium that I am trying to avoid

http://www.saigon.com/~anson/ebud/beyond/beyond03.htm
http://www.saigon.com/~anson/ebud/beyond/beyond04.htm
http://website.lineone.net/~kwelos/index.html
http://www.buddhanet.net/ans73.htm

:)

[Truthbearer]

CSwriter .. I was judging 'governments as we know them today'..

I would not presume to judge all the old philophsy ..afterall, we were them.
What I AM saying, it is now time to make our own rules, based on love and unity principles.
We are no less wise and high principled as all the old philosophers.

Democracy is based on Greek philophsy.
Ascension is based on Universal Laws of the Spirit.

xxPat

ps ..vincente .. there is something beyond duality .. unity.
We move from polarised thinking into unified/heart thinking.

[CSwriter1]

Darling, what you are saying is you don't know anything about Greek philosophy, or much else, and should not be attempting to discuss things you know nothing about. Get some education before you decide what is not important to know. Both and Vincente are coming from very limited knowledge and are participating in discussions which are you not prepared to participat in, and therefore, the result is argument instead of us all gaining knowledge of the subject.

I sure do not know much, but desire to learn more, and was hoping to do so here, as the explanation of this discussion said would happen. However, I feel like I am being dragged down by people full of opinion and empty of philosophical knowledge. There is a saying, "don't argue with ignorance", and I assure, I have no desire to continue discussion with people who lack knowledge of the subject.
I can not learn from them, and the conflict as they try to convert me to what they think everyone should believe, is a very Christian thing, don't you think?

[vicente]

ps ..vincente .. there is something beyond duality .. unity.
We move from polarised thinking into unified/heart thinking.


I disagree somewhat,...at least regarding the semantics.

There is no unity beyond duality,...just as Wholeness is not a union of opposites. Far too many believe that the sum of all positives and negatives equals One. It does not,...such an idea holds those many in bondage.

There is no Heart thinking. Thinking is a process within Duality's Reality. Where the brain, or the sciential, knows,...the Heart, or the sapiential, gnows.

Gnothi Seauton is not Know Thyself, but Gnow Thyself. Those who know do not gnow.

I feel we should be much more specific in how we say things. For example, there is much talk of being in the now. On one hand that's great. On an other its BS, which is obscuring the truth.

Nowness is not about the perceived now. The perceived now is always the past. Not only cannot one be in the Now, that cannot be in the perceived now,...they can only have "been" in the perceived now. For example, people do not live life, they lived life. The life they perceive living is already in the past.

Vicente
:)

[Truthbearer]

I am sorry CS, that you feel you are discussing with ignorant people.. who dont hold your view that Greek philophsy is the answer. I personally dont think it is the answer... even tho you started this thread with 'logic of monthesism'.. you really wanted to discuss democracy and greek philopshy .. why didnt you post that.
I am never interested in discussions with people who want to quote other works continually.



and this thread was the 'Logic of Monothesism' .. which surely is about spirituality, not greek philophsy.. but I didnt whinge.. nor patronize xx

for to me, the 'logic' of knowing one god .. is to simplify a very complicated dynamic. If we all knew 'one god'.. communed with one god, we all could compare notes and get it right.
And wouldnt need old dogmas, old theories,( whether they got it right or not.) I'm not lugging around a stack of old theories.. just so I can quote, and seem knowledgable, when I can just ask God.(afterall his 'logic' is all I need)

Everything good and wise is in us.

Sorry if you dont understand what I am saying brother.

So Be It. xx

[CSwriter1]

Okay, I will try this. Does anyone understand this question of monotheism is not about what God is, but how we know God?

You are telling me we know God how? If you never, ever heard of a concept of God, or anything like a concept of God or whatever people want to call this X factor of the universe, how do you think anyone would know what you saying we should know? Sit in a room and look inside our own uninformed minds until we have a thought about something we can even think about because we have absolutely no concept of what it is? Is that really how you got your concepts of what you believe is real, or did you get your concept of what you believe is real, from a source other than yourself? What is the source of the thoughts in your mind? Why are not all children from the beginning of time and every around the world, born knowing the truth you know?

[Truthbearer]

You are telling me we know God how? If you never, ever heard of a concept of God, or anything like a concept of God or whatever people want to call this X factor of the universe, how do you think anyone would know what you saying we should know?
[COLOR=red] People know .. we see the Love, the Beauty in all things.. the harmonious moments between self and Nature, this Love and Beauty can sometimes overwhelm us. this is our expression of our Creation (our godself - I personally dont use 'god' - tho' here I have .. I have always used Creator Source, for this is what we were, Creator Source descending into Earth to experience what we once created .. to evolve the species. Not everything goes to plan)


Sit in a room and look inside our own uninformed minds until we have a thought about something we can even think about because we have absolutely no concept of what it is? Is that really how you got your concepts of what you believe is real, or did you get your concept of what you believe is real, from a source other than yourself?
[COLOR=red] Yes .. and when I dont understand, which I generally dont, I ask for clarity .. and I get it. Or I would be directed to read something (website/book) .. not to study it, but somewhere there would be an answer. (and I would pendulum to discover which page even .. very rarely has Soul required me to read a whole book)
Because I asked.
(dont get me wrong .. I have been a reader all my life.. many earlier works incl. bhagdavita/science of being-living/coversations and debates with son on many philosophical issues..bertrand russell is his favourite. vispassana/buddhism/tm .. In my communion with Soul .. I had to throw out all I had know, and held true.. start again.. pretend I knew nothing.)
At first it is very 'iffy' .. fragmented.. until one day we receive a bit of information that is mind-blowing, or very very loving, to share their honour and love that we are persisting and persevering .. as at first it IS very ineffectual and confusing.
Its not like soul pulls up a chair.. yadda yadda, and we hear.
We instigate our integrity.. our dedication.. more constancy, and it happens slowly..
What is the source of the thoughts in your mind?
[COLOR=red]Sometimes Source, my creator Source .. Tao Bennelong (144,000 soul complement is an I Am.. 144,000 I AMs to a Source.. approx .. how do I know that? .. I asked.
Sometimes Soul/s.. we have many coming and going.. My spiritual path and mastery is karma, and its completions .. so I have had many Souls communing with me. Sometimes Earthmother - in my spiritual journey I was guided to spend time with www.ascendpress.org, the director channels Earthmother, and has mapped out her chi-codes.. called the Language of Light .. this is the 'language' of Earthmother and Soul.. so I started to learn a language to commune with.. successfully. This language also allows me to commune with the Nature Realms .. these have a wisdom way beyond our normal understanding of who and what they really are .. everything on Earth has a spiritual purpose .. it is only humans that have forgotten.
And the spiritual purpose today is Ascension.
And that is all my communion is about .. my personal Ascension.
Which entails learning the Truth of our Existance, our Seeding, and much of which is documented in Earthmothers Akashic Records.
(what I dont 'hear' .. I pendulum and muscle-test)

Why are not all children from the beginning of time and every around the world, born knowing the truth you know?
[COLOR=red] They do, in a way.. children are born with love and trust. And this is also why they can 'pretend'/ and commune with Nature.. they often know what nature is trying to say (I dont know about city kids) It is as they grow, they too have karmas and conditioning thrust upon them.

anyways my dear sister has just arrived .. so am gone. xxx

Pat

[vicente]

People know .. we see the Love, the Beauty in all things.. the harmonious moments between self and Nature

ACIM Q&A suggests:

What about the beauty and goodness in the world?

Following the above answer (the Q&A "Does A Course in Miracles really mean that a God did not create the entire physical universe?"), we can see that the so-called positive aspects of our world are equally as illusory as the negative ones. They are both aspects of a dualistic perceptual universe, which but reflect the dualistic split in the mind of Man. The famous statement "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder' is also applicable here, since what one deems as beauty, another may find to be aesthetically displeasing, and vice versa. Similarly, what one society judges as good, another may judge as bad and against the common good. This can be evidenced by a careful study of history, sociology, and cultural anthropology. Therefore, using the criterion for reality of eternal changelessness that is employed in the Course, we can conclude that nothing that the world deems beautiful or good is real, and so it cannot have been created by Reality.

Therefore, given that both beauty and goodness are relative concepts and thus are illusory, we should follow the injunction to always ask ourselves: "What is the meaning of what I behold?" (text, p. 619; T-3I.VII.13:5). In other words, even though something beautiful is illusory, it remains neutral, like everything else in the world. Given to the ego, it serves its unholy purpose of reinforcing separation, specialness, and guilt. Given to the Holy Spirit, on the other hand, it serves the holy purpose of leading us to an experience of truth that lies beyond perception. For example, a sunset can reinforce the belief that I can find peace and well-being only while in its presence, or it can help remind me that the true beauty of Man is my Identity, and that this beauty is internal, within my mind and independent of anything outside it.


V

[Truthbearer]

whilst I agree 'beauty' is in the eye of the beholder.. and maybe, is a polarity .. so I shall suggest all Nature as magnificent.

I also have to suggest.. who thinks a magnificent sunset ugly?
who thinks a magnificent tree unsightly?
does the deep sound of thundering surf offend?

and what did create the world, or at least, make it a 'reality' .. besides walt disney. . I dont think 'evolution' can occur without Soul/Source some higher aspect of consciousness .. it takes 'spiritual concepts' for it to happen. Where do those 'spiritual aspects' emanate from?
I see the whole universe as a moving, vibrational, gridwork of reality and non-reality.. planes within dimensions.. most non-physical.. and a writhing mass of living etheric matter..

and if everything is neutral . try telling that to a black eye!!

We are attempting neutrality/unity .. but all the while we have duality in our unconscious minds .. and we do.
We attract them to ourselves everyday .. our body aches and pain, and illnesses and diseases .. neutrality? .. I dont think so.
If someone is 'judging'/critisizing.. is that a neutral assessment? .. I think not.


Yes ego DOES reinforce separation, specialness and guilt... hooray, someone saying "leading us to the experience of truth beyond our perception" .. I totally agree.
(ego mind IS the duality.. causes the duality)

So we must learn and practise this new perception .. the seeing beyond.. seeing the unseen, knowing the unknowable.
It is only then we can 'experience' Truth .. once we experience, then we know.. until then it is a 'belief'.
You do realize Vincente .. that quote actually debunks your theory of non-duality."that reflect the dualistic split in the mind of man"

But I love your 'gnow thyself' xx.. because in my own journey to 'know' self .. it was/is, all about loving self.
Learning to shift this duality/polarity .. that DOES exist, in our minds.. in our unconscious.. all the non-love, the separation.

Being a reader, I could never account for the fact that I had never read 'A Course in Miracles' .. and now, I am in a miraculous position myself ..
if one can debunk 'beauty' as an illusion (and it is ..my guidance tells me everyday, that everything physical is an illusion) then one has to debunk 'miracles', but I cannot xx
(god this is a 'wordy' site !)
xx Pat

[CSwriter1]

I refer you all to philosophy, Locke part 1. There is no difference between your concepts of reality, the early Sumerian, or Ancient Egytians concept of reality, or the concepts of Christian witch hunters or the Protestants and Catholics who warred against each other. The consciousness at each time and place in history was very different, and historically men have fought wars for what they believe. What is the same of all these beliefs, is these were the concepts known at that place and time in history, and the people learned the concepts of their place and time, and were sure these concepts defined reality. They made perfect sense to those who learned them, and they sure beliefs different from theirs were false.

As the holy wars today, are between people who grew up with different concepts of reality (Christian verses Islam and different cultures behind these religions), and they are so sure the concept they hold is "the truth" they are willing to kill or be killed, defending what they believe. Many philosophers dealt with this, and I like some more than others. If you can let go of your concepts of reality long enough to add to what you know, you may be amazed by what know 6 months from now. Much of this philosophy came from religious conflict which pushed men to understand how we know what we know.

Democracy is all about managing this conflict and determining what is true. I know everyone thinks democracy is nothing more than government and it is sad that modern education has not better prepared us to understand democracy as a concept based on philosophy, not the bible or even political or organizational science. Science is to democracy, what religion is to autocracy.

Why is science important to democracy? Because it invites everyone to discuss what is true, what is the best way of doing things, and it demands tests of truth. Does burning witches improve anything? How about voiding rye mold or polluted water? It demands asking, "how do you know that"? Show it to me. Prove it to me. This is way I gave another concept of The Logic of Monotheism. This is not about what a God is, but about one truth. We don't know that truth, but have the ability to explore it. The Logic of Monotheism is about how we come to truth, and this is the meaning of democracy.

[vicente]

I also have to suggest.. who thinks a magnificent sunset ugly?
who thinks a magnificent tree unsightly?
does the deep sound of thundering surf offend?


Once while driving west, towards Sedona, I said aloud, "that is such a beautiful sunset",...my young son replied, "pop, why are you being so judgemental?"

From a bodhisattva's point of view he was absolutely correct,...avadhutas is the realization that good or bad, positive and negative, beauty and ugly do not exist, except as we see them as such.

(god this is a 'wordy' site !)


But words strung heartfully.

Vicente
:)

[CSwriter1]

And what a wonderful thing to see them as such, and to share with others our experience of the experience.

I judge the sunset and I guess everything else, because I love the functioning of my mind and sensation of existing as part of the whole and yet separate from the whole. I don't give a hoot if I am deluded. That doesn't really matter. At least not to me. I am pragmatic. If it works go with it.

Vincente, :unsure: I wonder if your son was getting back at you for all the times he turned to you for validation of his experience, and was invalidated by a comment that wasn't in tone with his human need for validation? Could you be too thinking and not enough feeling? Too ego driven and enough heart driven? I think it would hurt to share my enjoyment of a sunset, and have someone tell me I was being judgemental, instead of agreeing with me and in doing so, let me know the person I am with is, enjoying what I am enjoying with me. :D

The sunset I remember watching with my X, he resented sitting on the proach with me trying to have a romatic experience, because that was what I wanted.
To him the sunset was a daily occurance and not something to waste one's time watching. Hey, we can experience the moment in many different ways. I perfer sharing the joy of asthic moment with someone who is also enjoying the asthic pleasure of the moment. That is why we vocalize our "judgement" of the sunset, to expotentially increase the pleasure.

[bito]

But words strung heartfully.

feelingweepingpainingmelting

[Truthbearer]

yes, the words are strung beautifully. xx
(i actually meant, 'this site is making me wordy' .. i meant to go back and change it. x)

and getting a handle of neutral assesment over duality.. takes a lot of practise.
But passion, enthusiasm and love, all fit in there somewhere. They must, they are our humanness.

CS .. this is my point.. We CAN know our Truth.
This One Truth .. and it wont be in science nor logic .. nor in books/websites.
We get it from within.. the deep stillness with an open heart.
This One Truth, will direct, guide and mentor.
Not 'rye mould' per se, if discovering rye mould is not part of ones spiritual journey .. on the other hand ???....
anything is possible .. we ARE to discover new concepts, new everythings.
(I am being mentored at the moment to understand telepathy.. to try and 'see' it as a working mechanism .. I am not scientific, nor have I any great intellect as such .. but in this communion with Souls and others, we are given great gifts of awareness.. that transcends the logicol mind.)
This 'spiritual journey', encompasses and surpasses everything.. science and logic, AND philophsy.

.. and we dont ask for proof of this and that.. to test everything we are told. We trust. We love.
.. and share.
The more we share (in the light of disbelief and ridicule) the more we love (and a deep smile of compassion within) .. because we have a deep KNOWING of our Truth .. and know the struggle we had to get to this point.

The point? .. channeling Earths and Humanitys Truth.

and Soul does not want us to fight to defend Truth .. nor to die , and nonlove, and non-soul.. That is extreme harmfulness. (and warring and such is not a spiritual path, nor a higher consciousness path)
Yes it IS all about 'consciousness' .. and the quest for a higher consciousness is all about divesting harmfulness.
It is now in our unconsciousness AND a part of our DNA.

Humanity really has not much of a clue one what is deemed 'harmful'. (we just think.. 'well I'm not' - but one would be surprised what we carry around with us. Our diseases/aches all showing us what is in our unconscious .. and our back? the most brutal records of harm of all, all sitting in various parts of ones back.. all correlating to pastlife harm.)
it is through inner reflection with Soul, that we can weed them out.
Soul guides and protects us from harm.
AND guides us from initiating harm ..
Even harmful thoughts.. harmful words (all energy has a destination, and there are harmful ways of thinking) .
And even on this site, if I illicite thoughts of ridicule/invalidation/judgemental etc., from another .. I have pshyic guardians to protect me.. because these (and many others) are deemed 'harmful', by the non-physical forces around us at present.

CS.. it is only been the last few years, Earths non-physical Akashic Records were open .. this is Earths history .. and now we do not have to theorize and postulate for wisdom.. for understanding .. We do a certain amount of self-healing, a certain amount of communion (getting this connection takes time and focus)., and then we start our 'initiations' (not by any physical order/religion.. but by non-physical souls and angelics). and this is our 'in' .. we start to ask questions on our history.. way back.. to our first beginnings. If it for us to know, (this is our integrity.. aka, what we will do with the knowledge).. then we will know.
This becomes our Truth .. of what we have been, what we are now, and our future.. where we are going (as the human race).
.. and our self-empowerment.

All these concepts, are not well-known - not discussed by old philophsy, nor Science even.. but they are discussed between self and Soul.
And some think that Soul does not require healing..

then all I say is .. next meditation, instead of sitting in silence.. in this beautiful stillness, ask Soul some very relevant questions.

Namaste
Pat

[CSwriter1]

Truthbearer, our exhange of thought reminds me of the maiden, mother, and crone. The meaning of crone being destorted in the Webster's New World Dictionary. However, I am sure that it was always the delight for the young with much too learn, to feel superior to the preachy, ugly, old women. In fact when life spans were short, these old women were most vulnerable to being called witches and being burned to death. They knew things the young did not know, and were suspect, and the target of fear and hate. That is one of the worst aspects of getting older, and it is as true today as it ever was. This is especially so in societies that look to the future and forget the past, praise youth, and think getting old is awful.

At different phases in our lives, we have different abilities and different challanges. It is really strange to read the things others have to say, and remember when I was in that phase, and how sure I was of what I thought I knew.

I am concerned however, when you defend not testing what you think you know. If you were more aware of Hitler and Germany at his time, you would understand the serious danger of being idealist, and going on faith that what you know is true and right. The horrors committed by the German people, were committed by people just like you, who did not engage in critical thinking, because their education has not prepared them for independent, critical thinking. My life purpose is waking people up to this fact, and the intensity of this purpose sky rocketed when Bush was re elected.

The German people were not awful, barbaric people, but idealist and trusting. It is like being a tyrant, has little to do with being cruel, and everything to do with too much confidence that one knows best, and too much power to act on that confedence, with no checks and balances. Good can become bad most easily when people believe they are good and doing the right thing.

[Truthbearer]

Yes, it is as we age we gain the wisdom - and if we have clairvoyant abilities and clairaudient abilities, our wisdom then is even more required.. this is why the older woman has the gifts.
(we have renounced ego/impetuousity and vanity.
The witches could lift all veils - so yes, they were feared.. it wasnt intellectual knowledge they had, it was metaphysical knowledge.
That is why many people today, often fear their own metaphysical abilities .. until they garner soul advice... so many lives of invalidation/ridicule/terror and harm.

'that is one of the worst aspects of getting older' ..
quite the contrary CS .. I revel in my aging .. each year brings forth many more abilities.
I can see, hear and therefore know and experience.. stuff dreams are made of.

and yes, in times past it DID make us vunerable .. but these times it is our empowerment. It always was. One cannot take away what one knows.

('superiority' is irrelevant.. it is an arrogance - one cannot make themselves feel such in the presence of persons possessing multi-dimensional, and multi-creational abilities- and a person possessing these qualities is so self-empowered .. almost an omni-prescence .. one feels compassion for the other, because they know the other does not 'know'.
Because they really do not know their own Truth .. and this is why one wants to feel superior/enpowerment (sometimes at the disenmpowerment of another)

when you said .."of what I thought I knew" .
Reminded me of a dream I had about you a few nights ago.
You were being handed a baby, and you nearly dropped it.
baby - new beginnings (in this case 'new age' - ascension)
A few years ago you 'tapped' into Ascension/new age, but it slipped through your fingers.
The same for many people - lost interest .. nothing held water .. spiritual pursuits are like that.
Too many conflicting ideas/lot of rubbish and fantasy being toted, by idealistic ignorance.. which is still true today.
This is because you have a left brain/intellectual approach. One cannot get to soul and spirit with ones left brain.

.........

'the horrors committed by people like you'..
not so CS .. my last life was a Jewish woman in a Nazi concentration camp.

and the Nazi/Hitler analogy was totally inappropriate, to what we are talking about. xx
in any case, when has the comman man ever had a power to prevent a war pray tell???
I am talking about the ability to seek ones own wisdom, and Truth, from a higher Source .. (than a book, or for that matter, another human, no matter how wise)

but in any case .. you have missed the point of a deep spiritual existance..
no following .. we detach from all political involvement - it is irrelevant and misguided. (lies and deception)
no leading.. there is arrogance in wanting to be a leader. In Ascension there is only collaboration.
no judging.. only neutral assessment
no harm.. only Love and Compassion.

'the right thing' .. now this is very subjective, to what one knows.
You are intellectual and logicol .. you read for information, coupled with your beliefs, conditioning, and experience..No?

I am totally spiritual .. I channel and commune for information.(all my beliefs and conditioning were karmas.. so I have divested myself of them, well making the attempt at least)
Not the same information as you .. but always questing 'the right thing' .. well more than just the right thing.. many things.
Expansive things, which is new knowledge, that causes me to stretch my perceptual and conceptual abilities.
Then one learns discernment.
One cannot take ones mind to unknown places, without discernment .. this would be called blind faith.

And I do not aspire to blind faith.

And when I say I know .. this means I have experienced.
I have seen the Truth of my being.. where I come from, and where I am going.
And it wasnt a history book, or a philosopher that showed me.
It was Soul.

Namaste
Pat

[CSwriter1]

Truthbearer, we have a lot to talk about, but the issues are way off subject. I wish you would transfer some of your thoughts to the culture section. I gave a long quote from a book published in 1915 about Germany, "The Anglo-German Problem".

Are you into synchronicity? I am negoiating writing a book, explaining how we are just like the German New World Order, and how the Germans were beautiful people just as ourselves, with absolutely no intention of committing the horrors of WWII. You know, you and I had no intention of inavding Iraq and torturing prisoners. If we are to understand such things, we must reach beyond our own personal experiences to understand them. How do good people become the evil of WWII and "Shock and Awe" with prison torture?

Please, put each point you want to make in an appropriate subject, and I will address each one.
Mixing everything in one subject is like what happens to sand castles when the tide comes in.

[Truthbearer]

Originally posted by CSwriter1@May 9 2005, 09:09 AM
Truthbearer, we have a lot to talk about, but the issues are way off subject. I wish you would transfer some of your thoughts to the culture section. I gave a long quote from a book published in 1915 about Germany, "The Anglo-German Problem".

Are you into synchronicity? I am negoiating writing a book, explaining how we are just like the German New World Order, and how the Germans were beautiful people just as ourselves, with absolutely no intention of committing the horrors of WWII. You know, you and I had no intention of inavding Iraq and torturing prisoners. If we are to understand such things, we must reach beyond our own personal experiences to understand them. How do good people become the evil of WWII and "Shock and Awe" with prison torture?

Please, put each point you want to make in an appropriate subject, and I will address each one.
Mixing everything in one subject is like what happens to sand castles when the tide comes in.
[/QUOTE. If we are to understand such things, we must reach beyond our own personal experiences to understand them. How do good people become the evil of WWII and "Shock and Awe" with prison torture?
(if this doesnt come up in the quote box thingy, then I still havnt 'got it'xx)

I disagree there CS .. it is 'reaching' deeply reaching into ones OWN personal pastlife experiences, we CAN understand.
Because it all comes down to karma.. AND ones own personal experiences (not any one elses)
What we MUST learn, and therefore MUST experience to learn. (if we cannot see and understand karma - then we will expereince it)

Our karmas are now full of brutality and harm.
If one looked into the torturers pastlives, maybe he had been tortured by his now victim .. THAT is how brutal karma is.
(until 'forgiven' - but we never have)

And THIS is the knowledge, that gives us our understanding, or what and why the world is today.
Not the answers per se .. (how can we have the answers to a problem we are not evening seeing, therefore unable to address - karma.
( that I know, you know, the answers are held within philophsy of the greek culture).
.. and maybe it is for you .. but not for me.
Anyone with no meta-physical understanding, and no spiritual knowledge (not religious..spiritual) is not wise enough to lead me.. nor knowledgeable enough to be my equal (i dont say this in an arrogant manner - i think you understand that xx) even tho' I am no intellectual - I have an inner wisdom and intelligence, that transcends hmmmmm .. well politics for one... and even 'intellectualism'.
(people of high intellects, still with dysfunctional this and that - maybe even more so, constantly seeking outside of self for information, neglecting the real self, the spirit body self.)

I say - you are every bit as wise, intellectual, coherant, compassionate as those written scribes of yore. AND raised a family..
We dont want old truths, and part truths..
We want Truth from the hearts of Us.

'culture'? .. havnt got that far yet.
My existance is 'ascension' .. which is not religion/nor buddhism (im not buddhist, so dont even know if buddhism espouces ascension)/nor philophsy./culture?
so figured 'monothesism' was perfect. xxx

Yes I work with synchronicity - and symbology.
They are part of my life.
synchronicity found me this site, and you.

Blessings
Pat

PS .. good luck with your book.

Tho' in all honesty CS .. if one wants nothing to do with a war .. then one must not have anything to do with it.. for self.(this means divorcing/removing oneself entirely from the 'game').. because there is a 'machine' running this planet, that it out of control. So we do not allow it to control us.
We can only change self. That is how we all make a difference. We teach our children, and they see the wisdom of what we are saying.. and also have nothing whatsoever to do with it. (the greed/power machinery).

[abba]

Originally posted by Truthbearer
So we do not allow it to control us.
So, even an ascended entity - acknowledging karma, though not knowing details - feels an ability and drive to "control" yourself . A study of Buddhism would be of merit... to enable a denial of "self " rather than struggling against illusions.

..... or, perhaps "ascendancy" is more like enlightened egoism; I had always thought differently when I heard the term.

It is difficult to live a life of both thought and deed; we walk the edge between hypocrisy and worthlessness. When Newton said "I stand on the shoulders of giants.", he laid down a true formula for endeavor; one ignores the past at the peril of the future. An un-informed life is a contentment with shadows... no substance, passing away when a light appears.

But I agree that love prevails.

[Truthbearer]

No Abba - the information I seek just has nothing to do with politics and philophsy...
when one acknowledges karma.. one DOES know details.(you cannot not) we do not seek to control ourselves ?? just know ourselves.
and insodoing we move from all control.

I seek to see what has been in the shadows.. why the hyprocrisy.

Ascension is enlightenment - and it IS all about self.
But it IS devoid of egoism.. one cannot ascend with ego.

There is nothing Buddhism can teach me, I am learning from the best. xx

It is difficult to live a life of both thought and deed; we walk the edge between hypocrisy and worthlessness.

It is difficult, but not impossible - it is as we see all the lives where we were the hypocrites and made peoples lives worthless.
The lives where we were made to feel worthless..
We dont walk on the edge - we walk in between ..
polarities (positive and negative egos)
We de-frag the computer, and then re-programme with unified thoughtform - the middle ground.

Can Buddhism teach that?

I dont think so, or else Soul would have guided me to become a buddhist, and they didnt. x

Namaste
Pat

[abba]

Thank you. I now recognize that you are a Theosophist. I will go back and read your past posts for the enlightenment you have already offered before I ask further questions. Our beliefs may differ, but we all walk the Path.

[Truthbearer]

I had to ask my guidance 'am I a theosophist?' (because I didnt really know what it was)
No - I am not.

I am an ascending initiate - that is transmuting and transcending all negative thoughtform/karma - with the guidance of Souls, Source, Earthmother and the nature realms.

No old doctrines, nor 'masters' - no 'ists' whatsoever.
No philosophy, no science/logic/ego.
Just heart , Soul and Earth.. and a degree of dedication and purpose.

xx Pat

[bito]

No old doctrines


new, old ... is there a difference?