Do Buddhists Practise Karmic Clearing?

[Truthbearer]

ASCENSION .. and karmas.
I just read all the posts in 'reincarnation-karma' .. and there seems to be no practise ..or formula .. or process available to transcend all karmas.
Well no one mentioned any.
Do Buddhists have a formula?? ..
Because there are some out there.
The amount of karmas that humanity is holding onto, will actually interfere with ones ascension.

Namaste and blessings.
Pat

[sahyo]

:)



Do Buddhists have a formula?? ..




Zorbas
(Keith):

MR DOM,
I could use some of this! I see cancer of thought in my head.
Do you think Keith just needs to practice sitting better?
I hate formulas!
But sometimes they can save the sick.


Dom:

Mr Keith,
Just do what you need when you need.
Lying, sitting, standing, walking,...all are just yourself.
It's not for you to love or hate.
Formula or not exists only in your head.

[Truthbearer]

I meant - 'steps' to clear karmas .. 'keys' .

(as opposed to transcendental meditation - where one really doesnt 'transcend' the necessary .. pastlife happenings (karma).

And enlightenment, really is not attained until karmas are resolved.

Pat

[sahyo]

Formula or not exists only in your head.




I meant - 'steps' to clear karmas .. 'keys' .



steps also

[Truthbearer]

I gather you're not into any active karmic clearing then.??

Nor into climbing stairs?
Or discovering keys, to open doors?

[MGregory]

Originally posted by Truthbearer@Apr 24 2005, 06:33 AM
ASCENSION .. and karmas.
I just read all the posts in 'reincarnation-karma' .. and there seems to be no practise ..or formula .. or process available to transcend all karmas.
Well no one mentioned any.
Do Buddhists have a formula?? ..
Because there are some out there.
The amount of karmas that humanity is holding onto, will actually interfere with ones ascension.

Namaste and blessings.
Pat
The Four Noble Truths. In other words, the entire Buddhist philosophy is devoted to putting an end to karma. But according to Buddhism, past karma cannot be "cleared". All you can do is wait for it to pass away. Buddhism is about putting an end to the creation of new karma.

[sahyo]

I gather you're not into any active karmic clearing then.??

cannot "into"

Nor into climbing stairs?
Or discovering keys, to open doors?

are there stairs to climb
and doors to open?



:)

[Truthbearer]

Thanks MGregory for nobly answering.


Well I have to say one of the 'Noble Truths' is untrue..


We CAN clear our karmas .. and, in fact, to get to enlightenment, one must.
And I think all the beliefs/dogmas written about karma, are by non-visionary people.. who couldnt see their own karmas/pastlives, so wrote how unattainable removing karma is.

Or just 'removed' from spiritual teachings, by beings that did not want us to dig too deep.
We might just discover Truth.

xx Pat




xx Pat

[MGregory]

Well I have to say one of the 'Noble Truths' is untrue..


We CAN clear our karmas .. and, in fact, to get to enlightenment, one must.
And I think all the beliefs/dogmas written about karma, are by non-visionary people.. who couldnt see their own karmas/pastlives, so wrote how unattainable removing karma is.
Well, ok. But how do you define "karma"? What is "clearing" and how is it done?

[Truthbearer]

Karma - a pastlife circumstance where one created harm for themself, or another.. that will be eternal - until seen, understood and forgiven,
(generally a negative circumstance)

We discover our karmas by understanding 'the mirror'..
mirrors ..
by a person that triggers us/presses our buttons
a person that we may judge .
body ailments. (body mirror)
Nature will also alert us to karmas.
Our dreams.
Our communion(if we have it) with Soul/Earthmother .. if not we learn to pendulum or muscle-test.

At first we complete by INTENDING. (making ones intention clear)
'Intending'
I intend to resolve all karmas with such and such, that caused my so and so..
(all karmas cause something now .. because we have never seen the mirror and understood, just accrued more of the same - now our diseases, aging, dysfunctional family life and relationships, all showing us something.)
This intending doesnt actually clear the karma .. it will activate the intention, to show you how.
All 'intentions' .. are a manifesting command.
In fact, my whole spiritual journey has been by INTEND and penduluming. (I pendulum for authentication and clarity).. and then something will be revealed to me, in many various ways soul uses.

Authentic completions are done by ...

ACKNOWLEDGING that there is a karma between another and self.
(I pendulum to discover exactly what)
UNDERSTANDING the Original Cause (because we have thousands of the same.. which we can see, but it is seeing the Original Cause, that will heal .. and most of our Original Cause karmas, are thousands of years old)
and understanding the then circumstance, to the Now circumstance..
what it has caused.
if we are 'returning' something we once took from another (chi/emotion) or 'retreiving', that another took from us.

SEEING.. One does not have to vision the pastlife circumstance, to forgive it , but it must be isolated and really understood. But when one practises 'vision'/clairvision - this affords true understanding (and we sometimes are shocked at what we see .. what we may have started.. or WHO really started it.. way back then).. and 'visioning' is surprisingly easy.. (there are little tricks/pretending and imagining - or asking your pendulum, and building up a picture .. then one cannot help but 'see')..

FORGIVENESS .. this is a very specific vibration .. when overlaid over the vision/understanding, this vibration heals it.
(anything that is forgiven straight away .. we say sorry straight away .. it is done, we dont dwell on it because 'forgiveness' heals. When there is no forgiveness, each subsequent life the perpetrayer would be a mirror to the victim (or vice versa) to show the other the unaddressed karma .. just for forgiveness .. but it rarely happened)

Karmic clearing is a huge dynamic, with souls and angelics . .. it is authentic self-healing.
(the ultimate self-healing actually)..
One person is now a million.. one heals themself, this ripples out to many others, and is deemed 'world service'.(souls do the to-ing and fro-ing, and angelics do the recording (of blueprint. In ascension, we have to complete our biologicol blueprint, and then we receive others)
* The more one clears their many karmas, this also enhances ones clairvision and clairaudience.
* We retreive many missing records, and help Earth gather hers.. so we are privy to Earth Akashic Records.
* Souls guide us to many healing Temples in Earths aurora.(for our learning, healing and Ascension)
* We get a more integral communion with Earthmother (she knows karma).. and those that endeavour to understand, are very much honoured and revered.. by Souls, Earthmother and Nature Realms.
* We are helping Earth to integrate our past ancestors in the Astral
And the ultimate?
* We gather our Truth .. and we stop 'believing', assuming, guessing, reading others truths and channellings, and start 'knowing'.

So there are many benefits to karmic clearing.

Many may say 'love is the answer' .. love is indeed the ultimate .. but it is 'forgiveness' that is the key. But we must see what there is to forgive, for authentic healing of the karma.
And until the unconscious is de-fragged from all our pastlife dramas.. we cannot embody U/C Love in its entirety.

Hope some of that was understandable.
Namaste
Pat x

[Thomas Knierim]

I am inclined to think that karmic cleansing belongs into the magic box of New Age illusions, but there is perhaps one particular interpretation where this makes sense, namely if you liken karma to a mechanical force.

To paint this picture, we need momentum and direction. The momentum alone -which is the product of mass and velocity- is not sufficient to describe karma, because karma is directional, therefore we need to add direction to obtain a vector that can be likened to a karmic force. This vector exists not in a spatial coordinate system, but in a multidimensional psychophysical coordinate system which is more complex than 3D space.

To the degree we understand this coordinate system, we are able to exert sensible influence on individual forces that determine our own psychophysical makeup. The understanding of the coordinate system arises from being able to recognize and compare relative positions and deduce the active forces, which are themselves hidden from our conscious perception. Theoretically, this capacity enables us to neutralize karmic forces -figuratively speaking- either by reducing/reverting velocity or by reducing mass.

The reduction of mass is analogous to the result of burning of karma as theorised by Buddhism and Hinduism, i.e. the process in which karma comes to fruition and simply expires. The act of reducing velocity is analogous to countersteering active karmic forces which requires exertion. In this sense, karmic cleansing could be theorised as the conscious manipulation of karmic vectors with the goal of reducing them to zero vectors.

:uhoh: I realize this sounds poorly conceived and whacky.

Thomas

[MGregory]

Originally posted by Truthbearer@May 6 2005, 09:27 AM
Karmic clearing is a huge dynamic, with souls and angelics . .. it is authentic self-healing.
(the ultimate self-healing actually)..
One person is now a million.. one heals themself, this ripples out to many others, and is deemed 'world service'.(souls do the to-ing and fro-ing, and angelics do the recording (of blueprint. In ascension, we have to complete our biologicol blueprint, and then we receive others)
* The more one clears their many karmas, this also enhances ones clairvision and clairaudience.
* We retreive many missing records, and help Earth gather hers.. so we are privy to Earth Akashic Records.
* Souls guide us to many healing Temples in Earths aurora.(for our learning, healing and Ascension)
* We get a more integral communion with Earthmother (she knows karma).. and those that endeavour to understand, are very much honoured and revered.. by Souls, Earthmother and Nature Realms.
* We are helping Earth to integrate our past ancestors in the Astral
And the ultimate?
* We gather our Truth .. and we stop 'believing', assuming, guessing, reading others truths and channellings, and start 'knowing'.

So there are many benefits to karmic clearing.

I don't know, Pat. It seems to me that it's more important to clarify the self as it exists right now rather than spend time learning about what happened to us in the past.

I mean, in regards to self-healing, what do you imagine your "self" to be that it can be hurt in the first place? What is it? Are you separate from Nature or are you the same? If you were separate, you would be completely isolated from Nature, so what would be there to hurt you? If you are the same as Nature, then being hurt would be like Nature hurting itself, but how can Nature hurt itself? Can fire burn itself?

We tend to see ourselves as separate from our environment, yet with the environment influencing us, but this view doesn't make sense.

[MGregory]

Originally posted by Thomas Knierim@May 10 2005, 07:28 AM

:uhoh: I realize this sounds poorly conceived and whacky.

No, it makes sense and I agree with that view, except for maybe the part about reducing mass. But I guess it depends on what you imagine the substance of karma to be. I think of it as just regular objects, which wouldn't disappear when there is no karma. At least, they wouldn't physically disappear. Maybe conceptually they would.

[sahyo]

Can fire burn itself?

can it not?

[VossistArts]

Its been 20 years since I read the story of Milarepa, but I kind of remember that story being about accumulating bad karmas and clearing them. It almost makes me wonder, if the results of bad karmas from the past are only able to grab an effect on a person if they havent fundamentally cured the ignorance that was the ground for the thing in the first place. Certainly that is too simplistic and far too imprecise, as I think any sort of speculation on the workings of karma will be. So to me, the answer shouldnt lie in hoping to second guess the ways and means of karma in order to cleverly subvert it, but rather the focus should be on ones properly maintaining good standards with ones present thoughts, words and actions.

It always comes back to now. When I look at how I am approaching my issues I occasionally am able to step back and put the likely effectiveness of my approach into perspective by recognizing where my attention is focused. If its all about trying to sort out the past thru memories for the answer, I have to tell myself that I am trying to work with absolute illusion, thoughts without substance, and where I try to project myself into a future where I will become a better person, the same thing. All I can ever do is just what I can do right now. right now...

[MGregory]

Originally posted by asheera@May 13 2005, 02:57 AM
Can fire burn itself?

can it not?
If it could it would be able to burn by itself with nothing being burned.

[MGregory]

Originally posted by VossistArts@May 14 2005, 07:48 AM
So to me, the answer shouldnt lie in hoping to second guess the ways and means of karma in order to cleverly subvert it, but rather the focus should be on ones properly maintaining good standards with ones present thoughts, words and actions.
Yeah, that's what the teaching of karma is supposed to address. When someone is engaged in wise activity (you know, non-hatred, non-cruelty, non-greed, etc.) and he starts to experience bad circumstances that have nothing to do with his current activity, it's a good idea for him to keep in mind that the things happening to him now are the result of foolish actions done in the past, and that he shouldn't try to fight it or avoid it (because fighting it will create more bad karma and avoiding it will just push its fruition into the future). It's best for him to just continue what's he doing and let the bad karma come to fruition so it will dissipate.

[Truthbearer]

Hi Thomas - everything about karma is hidden from conscious perception.
The act,
The destination.
The affect.
Even people understanding karma .. dont always recognize karma when it shows.
The mirror sometimes is our ONLY clue .. and that can be subtle at times.

I guess one can only theorize if all the facts are in.

Hi Mgregory
Many people existing right now have cancers/tumours/growths/arthrities/disorders of all kinds.. bones, skin, organs and blood... dysfunctional this and that, relationships and lives.
karma affects our health.
karma sits in the unconscious and relays to the body organs, the type of emotional trauma ones pastlife experienced, will eventually affect a specific bodypart. (Louise Hay 'Heal Your Life' has documented these correlations - a specific negative thoughtform will affect a specific bodypart)
(not at first - but life after life, experiencing the mirror, to see a karma - we would not - we would do the ground-hog day .. live it again and again, until a cancer will alert someone.. that an unconscious hatred is affecting one.
That unconscious fears are affecting one.
Unconscious blame and shame is affecting one.
Angers/disappointments/sadnesses/resentments/abandonments.. over and over again .. till we get ill.
This is karma.

And from my experience.. just recognizing that a mirror is a karma, and then doing nothing.. and keep positive/show compassion .. doesnt 'dissipate' it - it actually buries it.(unfortuneately)
But it helps certainly to recognize it as a karma.
Yes bad experiences are definately mirrors to see karmas.- but they may be just a mirror - the damage may already be done.. already manifesting as a disease.
It is as one checks - has some sort of tool for checking (I muscle-test and pendulum) that this can be revealed, the karma seen, the situation can change in this life .. AND a healing can happen.

Many karmas are extreme brutality/torture/rape and such ..'fruition' therefore is to be avoided. (and everyone on this planet has experienced these brutal acts somewhere.. time and time again)

If one can recognize a karmic circumstance (the more we practise the better we get).
We go within and ask Soul questions..
Why?
Where?
Who with?
you said v-art, we dont second guess to subvert it.

no, but we do use some forms and techniques to see the past life that started what we are experiencing now.
(imagining/pretending/guessing - all help to see the past circumstance.. because we have enacted an 'intention' to see of sorts.. and we have non-physical help to do this.. to heal ourself.
The only way we can release a karma .. is to see it now, and see it then - Oftentimes we become so emotional, this is true understanding. I have tried many techniques over the years, but now I trust Soul, when Soul (and Earthmother) says ... Original Cause must be seen, understood and forgiven. Then it is so.
So we use our creative energies, and discover ways and means to do this ... we intend, and so it becomes.

We are not subverting it - we are relinquishing it, dismantling it from our unconscious (when we see the circumstance or UNDERSTAND the circumstance .. then forgive it (and self))

.. xx I think I got a bit convoluted in there. xx
Its amazing (for me now) - its become such a simple 'procedure' to see and understand, and release. Not at first tho' - I had many different formulas. It was as I could 'see' the karma dynamic.. as a transferrence of matter, where it lodges life after life, and so forth - that I was then able to 'simplify' a very complicated dynamic.
I wish writing about it could be the same.

Pat x