Which One Of The 7 Deadly Sins Is The Deadliest?

[Priyamanavalae]

Which of the 7 deadly sins do you believe is the most deadly?

Pride, Envy, Gluttony, Lust, Anger, Greed or Sloth?

[vicente]

Many say envy. Perhaps the majority of people who discuss such things feel they are mostly envious.

One of my favorite quotes is, "there is no humility, but only degrees of pride" Wei Wu Wei. From my observation, Pride is the most detrimental,...because pride usually underlies what people like best about themselves.

:)

[Thomas Knierim]

Which is the deadliest?

Gluttony... :uhoh: ...forget it! Life-shortening maybe, but rarely deadly.

Sloth... I am not sure if anyone was ever killed by sloth. Perhaps indirectly through starvation as a consequence of not having provided for the winter, but he/she could simply have resorted to other vices, such as begging and stealing.

Envy and Greed? Of course, I see the danger that comes with envy and greed, the potential for conflict, the consuming desire, the uneasiness, the inner wear, the proneness for heart-attacks, and the like. But is it as deadly as people imagine? The present capitalist market economy is -to a great part- based on envy and greed. People at the greedy end of the spectrum seem to enjoy relative longevity.

Pride... yes, pride is surely an effective killer. It is effective on account of one property: it makes people blind. And the blindness leads to audacious confrontations, daredevil risk taking, and immoderate overestimation of one's own capabilities. Little power of imagination is required to envision the consequences of such behavior.

In a time of AIDS lust also seems like a good candidate for the top position. Just a hundred years ago we did not have AIDS, okay, but neither did we have antibiotics, which made the "conventional" lust diseases just as deadly. Since lust is more common than pride, I would rank it above pride in perniciousness.

The first prize, however, goes to anger. Anger is the ultimate delusion, the prime evil, and the greatest annihilator of human life. How many swords have been drawn and axes have been swung in quick anger? It takes a lifetime to educate a man, but only a few seconds to kill him. And while not every war began with angry words, anger and hatred have certainly powered all wars and thus made them possible in the first place.

Thomas

[tmwq4]

i hate pride,you know sometimes pride lead to infinite lust.cose you that time will change your perspective about all the things.cose you feel that i am pround of something,so you will be at least very happy maybe which is based on others' sadness.
we are always in high and always in low.hehe,i dont know how to express.i am not a native speaker of english. iam here just wanna express my standpoint and say something i wanna

[vicente]

The first prize, however, goes to anger. Anger is the ultimate delusion, the prime evil, and the greatest annihilator of human life.

I like your order of responses and snippet of each. Would they be different if the response was focused more on spiritual death verses physical death (even though both are said to be ultimately impossible). In other words, which so-called sin obscures Reality more?

Vicente
:)

[NeverMind]

Which of the 7 deadly sins do you believe is the most deadly?

Pride, Envy, Gluttony, Lust, Anger, Greed or Sloth?

GREED is definitely the most evil.
Greed is consuming desire that posesses a person, causing them to cast away all they hold dear and trade it for material posessions or power or some other commodity. Greed is the sin that most often ruins relationships. relationships, being the most basic source of happiness for humans, when broken, leave a person completely empty. More people have been killed in the name of GREED than any other sin. We are in greedy wars right now!

Pride is obnoxious
Envy is destructive
Gluttony is unhealthy
Lust can ruin relationships and end lives, but seldom in large numbers
Anger kills one by one, sucking from the population slowly
Sloth is hardly deadly.

But GREED causes men to exploit and abuse and use fellow human beings, killing millions without regard all in the name of profit. Now, more than ever, greed is the most deadly sin by far.

Greed causes men to break all of the 10 Commandments.
Worshipping money, power, etc. over God, over family.
A greedy man would not take the sabbath off.
Greedy men commit adultery, lie, covet, steal and lie all for their own personal gain.

[Priyamanavalae]

GREED is definitely the most evil

Hmm..Greed is very deadly and makes people do alot of things they shouldn't, so I agree with you there, but I always assumed Pride because we're usually greedy to earn a sense of status and pride..so I think pride..but greed is up there to detroy people aswell. (so I agree with tmwq4 here that Pride is the mosty deadliest.) I think if you have a lot of pride, you sooner or later develop all of them.

The first prize, however, goes to anger. Anger is the ultimate delusion, the prime evil, and the greatest annihilator of human life. How many swords have been drawn and axes have been swung in quick anger? It takes a lifetime to educate a man, but only a few seconds to kill him. And while not every war began with angry words, anger and hatred have certainly powered all wars and thus made them possible in the first place.


Well said Thomas, everyone destructive is begun because of someone's anger. I think that I destroy alot of my life because of my short temper and anger..so I agree it's bad.. (although I try very hard to control it)

So which one do you think you are most guilty of?

[sonrisa]

NM, once again you have shown yourself to be wise beyond your years. I have been ruminating on how to word my response to this question, but you have already said everything I wanted to say, & I couldn't have put it better myself.

Thomas, thanx for breaking down the 7 deadly sins. Only thing I would of done different is greed/lust. Not lust for the opposite sex, but lust for power, lust for money, etc.... this is essentially greed.

Out of control anger is certainly responsible for quite a few murders, but I gotta go with NM on this one. Take this current war for instance, I don't know if the bushits are angry or not, but greed/lust for oil is most certainly a factor in their war of choice. And while greedy folx may be living long lives, what about their victims? What about the homeless family that dies in a park from exposure becuz the greedy ones foreclosed on their house? Or the millions of people -including kids- who are being worked to death in sweatshops, very long hours, unsafe conditions to satisfy corporate greed. I think NM is correct on this one.

[Ronagon]

I would say envy is the worst. It's the root of all true evil.

[Thomas Knierim]

vicente: I like your order of responses and snippet of each. Would they be different if the response was focused more on spiritual death verses physical death?

Yes, the answer would be different. Life requires death. Evolution. It is a necessity. Ultimately, there is no difference between the life and death of an individual, as it belongs to the same evolutionary process, which is larger than the individual. Neither is there a difference between her spiritual life and death. Spiritual death/bankruptcy -although ultimately unreal- is just as inevitable as physical death, I suppose. Resistance is futile, hahaha! :D

You see, we already have so many different opinions about what constitutes the prime evil. In reality, the question cannot be answered, because all of the seven sins are intimately related. However, the Christians did not include ignorance into the equation -a fatal omission as it turns out- because it flaws the "sin" concept from the outset.

Cheers, Thomas

[CSwriter1]

There is a philosophical arguement that greed is what resulted in such productive societies that people could end starvation and provide huge amounts of social service.

Pride is a wonderful thing to have! Pride is why lift ourselves out of the dirt.

Envy is next to pride, and as with all things, a little bit of this isn't all bad. The problem comes when one quality unbalances all the others. We can envy someone with a fun and happy heart can't we. If we don't take oursevles too seriously, we can enjoy the game of life. Which reminds me, one of my biggest problems with Christianity is the the tendency for this belief system to make people morbid.

Lust, I love it! I lust for knowledge and truth and good intellectual stimulation. Now I think of those who function on an animalistic level. I think of them in our society and with my Christian training that is a constant influence on every thought, I think bad, bad people. Then I think of primitive people and there is not sense of bad here. In fact the noble savage has an attraction. My lust is good in my culture, but perhaps not every culture.

[sonrisa]

Originally posted by CSwriter1@Apr 20 2005, 11:12 AM
There is a philosophical arguement that greed is what resulted in such productive societies that people could end starvation and provide huge amounts of social service.

--but they don't- & they won't becuz they're greedy. Greedy people don't care about who's hungry &/or who's hurting. Long as they got theirs, plus more & more & more....



CS--Pride is a wonderful thing to have! Pride is why lift ourselves out of the dirt.

-- agreed. I never understood why pride was included as a deadly sin



CS--Envy is next to pride, and as with all things, a little bit of this isn't all bad. The problem comes when one quality unbalances all the others. We can envy someone with a fun and happy heart can't we. If we don't take oursevles too seriously, we can enjoy the game of life. Which reminds me, one of my biggest problems with Christianity is the the tendency for this belief system to make people morbid.

-- this be true


CS--Lust, I love it! I lust for knowledge and truth and good intellectual stimulation. Now I think of those who function on an animalistic level. I think of them in our society and with my Christian training that is a constant influence on every thought, I think bad, bad people. Then I think of primitive people and there is not sense of bad here. In fact the noble savage has an attraction. My lust is good in my culture, but perhaps not every culture.

-- depends upon what (or who) you're lusting for, & how many people (if any) you hurt to get what (or who) you're lusting for

:)

[NeverMind]

I'm gonna go with Ronagon with Envy. Envy causes lust, greed, and anger.
and greed and lust in turn cause gluttony (lust for excess)

I think the 7 can be organized in order

Envy
causes
lust greed anger
cause
pride gluttony

the only one that doesnt fit is sloth.

The Seven Deadly sins can be boiled down to two of humanity's most fundamental flaws: Laziness and Envy

[jesupocaplypse]

Ah but Envy can be a good thing; an out of shape fellow sees a rather slim and fit chap , and envies his health. Thus he decides, to get that for himself, and join a gym. Envy is the cause of 'self-improvement' reason



Necessity may be the mother of invention... But SLOTH is the father.

I cannot think of anything positive about Greed or Gluttony though.

[Fever.Dreams]

[QUOTE]
Ah but Envy can be a good thing; an out of shape fellow sees a rather slim and fit chap , and envies his health. Thus he decides, to get that for himself, and join a gym. Envy is the cause of 'self-improvement' [if we weren't aware of what/how others have, we wouldn't desire them, or seek to change... because we wouldn' t know a difference.

I think that envy and awareness are two very different things.
I can be aware of my physical condition and someone else's without feeling envy. I can compare myself to others, perceive certain qualities and desire to follow their example without a drop of envy.

Do we envy our heros/idols, or admire them?
I think that in the end most of our feelings are what we make of them,
be it anger, envy, lust or whatever.

This is my first post so please forgive any breach in protocol, Thanks.
( oh yeah, and spelling to ;) )

[NeverMind]

There is nothing positive about greed or gluttony.
Yeah.

[venom mama]

pride

war is a result of pride





lust

the sin i'm most guilty of

[venom mama]

i've thought about this one more and might have to go with greed instead of pride. greed causes people to want fur coats which kills so many animals in truely horrible ways. greed causes people to insist upon eating meat which kills billions of creatures. greed contributes to war, domestic violence, murders. greed is probably the deadliest.

[vicente]

There is nothing positive about greed or gluttony.


I once heard it said that there is no difference between gluttony and celebacy.

:)

[CSwriter1]

Originally posted by venomgirl@Apr 24 2005, 11:59 PM
i've thought about this one more and might have to go with greed instead of pride. greed causes people to want fur coats which kills so many animals in truely horrible ways. greed causes people to insist upon eating meat which kills billions of creatures. greed contributes to war, domestic violence, murders. greed is probably the deadliest.
Venomgirl, your comment turned on a huge, brilliant light in my head. You said greed caused wars, but it isn't greed. It is ignorance. We all want gasoline just to get to work and take care of our families. When Carter said we must conserve, and our diplomatic situation in Iran blew up, when the evil Shaw we supported was over thrown. Who stopped to understand what oil had to do with this and the recession we were in?

I repeat myself when I doubt if others have gotten the significance of what I am saying. "Given our known oil supply and rate of consumption, we are headed for economic disaster and possibly war." 1920's newspaper. Since the 1920's we have increased our dependency on oil, and this means increased our dependency on military force for economic reasons, and this means replacing liberal education with education for technology for military and industrial purpose, and this means an amoral and superstitious society enslaving everyone to the state to pay for military might, and mixing religion and military might for "Shock and Awe", an act of war on people beaten down by many years of economic sanction. The United States has become the most immoral nation on the face of the earth, because people are ignorant of what oil has to do the economy, ignorant of exponential factor, ignorant of international politics and what their government is doing.

AND GET THIS, IGNORANCE ISN'T ONE OF THE LISTED SINS. AND ON TOP OF THAT, OUR PRESIDENT AND THOSE WHO LOVE HIM, ARE PROUD NOT TO THINK TOO MUCH BEFORE ACTING. And Vincents is arguing with me about the harm Christianity has done to demoncracy? Shouldn't ignorance be one of the deadly sins?

[Thomas Knierim]

Cswriter: You said greed caused wars, but it isn't greed. It is ignorance.

Exactly. - Ignorance is the root "evil". It engenders all other "sins". - Strange that there is no mention of it in the Christian texts, since almost every other religion has realized that point.

Thomas

[Truthbearer]

Religions have thrived on our ignorance.
AND on the word 'sin'.
There is no such thing.

there is only karma..

yes! .. I agree with 'ignorance' .. what about dishonour/non-love/begrudge/dishonesty/deceive/destruction/disharmony/invalidation/domination/manipulation/corruption/abuse.... farout.. makes the original 7 look ridiculous!!
(but then again, all these are also mirrors to see karmas.)

xx Pat

[jesupocaplypse]

destruction and creation are one and the same. Can't create anything without destroying something else, and you can't destroy with creating something new.

Destruction is no 'sin' not even close.

Is taking apart a radio to see how it works a sin?

[sonrisa]

depends upon what your destroying Jesu. Is destroying Iraq to gut it for oil a sin?

[CSwriter1]

My grandson had to find quotes for a school project
and his interest was Christianity at the time, so I helped
him find some bible quotes that make learning a wrong.
A few times the bible warns against learning.

True destruction must come before creation, and this is a cycle.
However, I would say, considering destroying as nothing more than
the natural part of nature, required before rebirth, is a bet
amoral. Moral being to know the law. The law is universal.
In other words, if we destroy all life in a lake by polluting it, we
are violating the integrity of the lake and this is immoral, against
the laws of nature. The destruction can be damaging to too much
life, and even if life returns, the destruction was unbalanced and a
violation of nature. Unless you are a good Christian. Then thinking
this through is wrong. It is too much strain on the brain, and you
should just go with your impulses to do as you please, and don't think about
consequences too much. God will take care of you, if you have the
correct understanding of God, worship Him in the right way, and
finally, he determines you worthy of him, you will go to heaven.
Because there is some doubt of this however, you might sacrifice a son to Him,
to prove your faithfulness to him, just to be on the save side.

[Trevor]

Which of the 7 deadly sins do you believe is the most deadly?

Pride, Envy, Gluttony, Lust, Anger, Greed or Sloth?

I think that there are 8 deadly sins. The 8th is naming sins, and is in fact the deadliest of all. Ooops, did I just do it???