Enzyme Consciousness

[vicente]

A good diet is important for Spiritual Health.

The best Diet in the World - Enzyme Consciousness

"People get fat because they eat cooked and processed foods - enzymeless foods which cannot be broken down".

EATING IN AMERICA:
"Billions of dollars are spent conditioning us about what we should feel hungry for. Look at TV, billboards, radio, newspapers - what are we constantly assaulted with? Images of burgers, fries, ice cream, chips, Pepsi, candy, donuts, milk, cheese, MGD, etc. Just hearing these words makes our Pavlovian mouths water. These are the best poisons ever made. Not only do they contain little or no nutrient content; even if they did there's almost no chance of our getting to it because these foods have no enzymes in them. All those were taken out during processing. Therefore the entire burden of digestion is placed on our body's own enzymes. Foods are being broken down only partially, or not at all, by our own digestive enzymes, because many foods are so foreign, so processed, have so many chemicals and preservatives, and are so new to the human race that they overstress our body's ability to metabolize them."

"A human being is not a static mass of cells, but a living process. Each day we have a chance either to improve overall health, or else just to survive for another 24 hours. Each day, each meal, is an opportunity to strengthen the immune system, to shore up the body's reserves through nutritional choices. At any given moment in time, our health is simply the cumulative result of all these past choices".
http://www.theultimateenzyme.com/longevity.htm

The Key to a Successful Diet "is not how much or little we eat, but how well we digest, absorb and metabolize".

I came across this real gem of a book (below).

Food Combining And Digestion: 101 Ways To Improve Digestion by Steve Meyerowitz
ie: http://www.insight-books.com/FDCM/1878736779.html

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[NeverMind]

so natural and organic foods are better for you...
hasn't that always been fairly obvious?
everyone knows eating at McDonalds is not good for you.
That nothing new.

[vicente]

everyone knows eating at McDonalds is not good for you

Often it's the combinations. For example, digestive disorders, which of course are the foundation of everything from allergies, to obesity, to depression, arise from combining meat and potatoes, rice and beans, chesse with bread, peanut butter and jelly sandwiches, etc. In other words, American society is a nutritionally ignorant and upsidedown society.

Take milk for instance,...the link says:

MILK - A DEVITALIZED ENZYMELESS FOOD
Yes I know what you're thinking - where will we get our calcium from then? Big surprise: milk is not a good source of calcium because the enzyme phosphates, which is necessary to absorb calcium, was destroyed by pasteurization! The only reason we think we need milk for calcium is that we've heard it all our lives - on TV, in school nutrition programs, from dieticians. But guess who paid for all that advertising and promotion?

Starting way back in the 1950s, the American Dairy Association spent millions providing 'educational' materials for American grade schools in which dairy products are presented as one of the Four Food Groups. This never had anything to do with science - this is marketing. There's no such thing as the four food groups. They made it up! (McDougall)
So, as for the calcium requirements of children:

" ... pasteurized milk is incapable of rebuilding or maintaining bones and teeth."

- Royal Lee, 1955
And as for digestion:

" commercially modified milk and baby foods are all foreign to the baby's liver digestion and may produce diarrhea, milk allergies, and constipation."

- H. Bieler, 1965
It is not just Africans who have lactose intolerance - all humans have lactose intolerance when it comes to pasteurized milk. But it's still a word game: lactose is milk sugar. We're not allergic to milk sugar; we're allergic to milk. No enzymes = junk food. Milk is a junkfood. Think your baby needs it? Think again. Pasteurized cow's milk is sensitizing your baby to an unnatural non-food allergenic protein. Consider this:
man is the only animal who figured out how to remove enzymes from milk
For the whole story on milk, read William Campbell Douglass' The Milk Book.

Milk is just a very common example of an artificial, manmade food about which a century of advertising has created the illusion of a healthy staple. The same ideas apply to other processed foods. That means one that has been devitalized by the food industry by removing all the enzymes. Problem is, only the enzymes made it a living complex in the first place.

The above comments about milk refer only to "pasteurized" milk. Raw milk from cows living in a natural mineral-rich environment is another story. Dr. Price thoroughly documents the health of Swiss Alpine villagers, isolated from processed foods. Some of these healthy people lived on a diet centered around raw butter and raw cheese, from cows and goats. Their health was far better than most of ours today. The point is that natural, unprocessed, unpasteurized dairy products could be a superlative nutritional staple, because it is loaded with the fat soluble vitamins A, D, and E, minerals and enzymes.
What destroys milk is civilization: killing the enzymes by heat, adding antibiotics and hormones to the cows' diet, keeping the cows in a mineral deficient environment, and artificially preparing it for long periods of storage. (Price)

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[venom mama]

vegetarianism is the best route to take

a diet completly void of animal products not only is excellent for your health but sets you apart from all the cruelty and suffering involved in the meat,dairy,egg industry.




people are fat because they have no self control and are lazy. get some exercise.



move that fat ass.



get active.



glad my body is hard and buff.

tennis does wonders for the body.

[NeverMind]

i eat plenty of meat.
i hope my diet never catches up to me.
im gonna be HUGE

meat isnt that bad for you
plenty of protein, all that good stuff
iron
whatnot

self control is the key
and exercise

Yoga is the best

[jesupocaplypse]

I like Soy milk, and I eat many fruits and veggies, that i grow in my garden. I only have to shop for Soy milk, and the occasional condiment, or whatnot.

I have a good deal worked out with my uncle, that i get half a buffalo each year, in exchange for various construction/repair projects.

I love my steaks rare and bleeding. Cooked just long enough to be hot. :delicious:

I fish and hunt for what other meat my kids and i require. I grow enough vegetables, to have more than enough for my family, and enough to trade for all the fruit we need. (my garden is almost 2 acres, for 3 people...) We have a chicken coop, with many big egg laying, healthy, happy well treated chickens. (except when foxes, or something gets em) When I hunt something, I make use of almost everything, and what doesn;t get used, (innards, some organs) go back to the planet, to be eaten by wild animals, or to decompose and fertilize new plant growth. I make tools and art out of the bones, and skins are quite useful in a variety of ways.


If i don't have meat at least once a day, I start to feel weak, and a bit woozy.

[vicente]

meat isnt that bad for you plenty of protein, all that good stuff

Both nutritionists and the Federal Government say we only need 25 grams of protein per day,...that's about a 1 ounce portion. A two thousand calorie a day vegetarian gets 50 grams of protein a day from their veggies,...not counting nuts and grains.

If i don't have meat at least once a day, I start to feel weak, and a bit woozy.

You must mean, if you eat meat at least once a day, you feel weak and woozy, like the meat eaters in the animal kingdom. Buffalo, Horses, etc., are seldom weak and woozy. Lions have to rest 11 hours after a meal of meat.

Actually,...Meat has virtually no carbohydrates, In other words, NO FUEL VALUE.

http://www.roger.id.au/health/meat.php

[sonrisa]

NM--i eat plenty of meat.

--:shakehead:


NM--i hope my diet never catches up to me.
im gonna be HUGE

--when you get older & your metabolism slows down, you probably will be!


NM--meat isnt that bad for you

--mmmm let's see-
Cows have mad cow
chickens have salmonella
fish have mercury
pigs have that little animal in them whose name I can't pronounce, much less spell
buffalo is an endangered species (shame on you jesu! :angry: )
meat in general is carcinogenic

even if it weren't all that bad for you it's still rotting decaying flesh & you're gonna put that in your mouth?!!? Gross! :knockout:

veg is best! :)

[NeverMind]

You're not going to eat meat just because SOME meat has been found to have terrible diseases?
taking risks is the spice of life!

bison is sooo good

to quote Dennis Leary:
"All you vegetarians will come back....
because a cabbage tastes like a cabbage
but meat tastes like murder,
and murder tastes pretty damn good"

Meat is wonderful.

I am not going to stpo eating chicken just because i COULD get salmonella and more than I am going to stop driving because I COULD get in a crash.

I decided a while ago that I wasn't going to live my life in fear of possible cnsequences.

[jesupocaplypse]

I don't eat a lot of meat. Not the same amount as a lion or a predator who fills up on it alone, of course i'd feel woozy after that. I have at least 1 serving of meat, at supper, never more than 2 servings a day though. Mind you, i am a pretty big guy, and do a lot of physical work every day, and require more protein than average to maintain my body. I've never felt woozy after eating meat, quite the opposite in fact. Mind you i've never eaten a meal of meat. Meat as a part of a full dinner.

The 1/2 a buffalo i get is from a farm that is breeding and increasing their numbers every year. The amount that are taken for meat, are the same amount that would, on average, be taken by predators.

I am always conscientious about where i get my meat from. So don't start wagging your finger at me.

Mind you, if it wasn't for buffalo farms, they wouldn't be endangered. They'd be extinct. North American civilization has completely eleiminated the natural habitat of any grazing herd animal.
I think every beef ranch should switch to bison, because it is more economical, and the meat is better tasting, denser, so you don't need to eat as much, and more rich in protein. specifically the proteins that are found Only in meat, that are crucial to proper muscle development. vegetable proteins and soy proteins lack these. and you need a supplement to have a perfect nutrietional intake. Believe me, i used to do a lot of body building, and am well versed in required protein intakes.

That meat not only provides for me and my daughters, but the 11 other people who live in our pseudo self contained community here. (well 9 others, 2 of them don't eat meat, and both of them are very small)

Whether it is nutritionally necessary or not, it tastes great. Even if it meant living another 5, 10 or even 50 years, i'd still refuse to not eat meat, because it wouldn't be worth it.

Why are vegetarians always so frail and skinny? every one i know at least. I've never met any one even close to my build who doesn't eat meat.

Being small and weak and healthy, or being big and strong and healthy? i choose the latter.

It always a matter of moderation. too much light will make you blind. Too much of anything is not good. Moderation

All those meat related illnesses are not caused by the meat, they're caused by the handling and preparation of the meat. Human error. you just got to properly cook it.

Mind you i never eat pork. I only eat chicken or turkey on holidays, and fish only have mercury in them because of human pollution.

(Shark meat... mmm mmm good. best sea food ever is shark.)

Vegetables don't rot and decay? They are still organic and therefore flesh.

Hell ya i'll put it in my mouth. I like the taste of raw meat. I like the taste of blood.


When i hunt i go with an old friend of mine, a blackfoot descended native, who lives in this community with me. We use recurve bows, hand made in the traditional way, and when we kill an animal, My friend and I perform all the ancient rituals. Including eating the heart freshly cut out.

Our community here is very multi cultural, but for the most part, everything here is hand made, in traditional native ways

If eating meat is so bad, explain to me, how the plains indians of north america, survived and thrived predominately on Buffalo, since before even the egyptians developed?

[vicente]

I have at least 1 serving of meat

A serving is about three ounces of cooked meat, fish or poultry. In the US, most people eat 4 times that at a single meal,...ie., a 12 ounce steak at Applebees, or a double Whopper ( 8 ounces or nearly three servings)

I'm usually not a meat eater, but I have ate it, very well done, which ruins Buffalo burgers. As for nutrition, the point of the top post wasn't necessarily about vegetarians, but about nutrition, and do we supply to our digestive process enough enzymes to metabolize the nutritional values out of the foods we eat.

It always a matter of moderation. too much light will make you blind. Too much of anything is not good

Did you realize that nuts (now mass deshelled and produced) are only to be eaten one at a time, and seldom more than 6. That's why nature put them in a shell. To be eaten slowly.

When i hunt i go with an old friend of mine, a blackfoot descended native

Are you in Montana? I used to live on the Musselshell. Lots of Blackfoot in the NorthWest.

If eating meat is so bad, explain to me, how the plains indians of north america, survived and thrived predominately on Buffalo, since before even the egyptians developed?


I don't think that is true. Their staples were berries, nuts, grains, beans, seeds, fruits. I think meat was reverently enjoyed, especially in winter and spring, but eaten more as a by-product of skins and bone.

Native Americans, from my studies, were not a highly spiritual people as many new agers has revised. This isn't to say they didn't have a certain harmony with nature, one that Westerners for the most part surely do not have,...but they were not as spiritually evolved as say the Buddhists or Maya.

:)

[venom mama]

the reason people shouldn't eat meat is beacause of the suffering involved. go to a slaughter house, watch what happens. hear the screams of animals in anguish. check out the horrible living conditions they have to live in before they are killed. chickens live in filth. laying hens are cramped at least 6 to a cage, they can't even spread their wings. they have their beaks sliced off, leaving nerves exposed. pigs are raised in little cement pens they can't even turn around in. pigs are real damn intelligent. they go crazy. they watch each other die at the slaughter house as they are hung by their hind legs to get their throat slit. they do not die fast.

i do understand that deer must be hunted or they will overpopulate. just make sure you have serious respect for nature and make sure you can kill your prey with one shot. maybe if we had left some land for other creatures this wouldn't be a problem. human encroachment...........everywhere.


it's the meat industry and factory farming that makes me very sad and angry. so much disrespect for life. nothing should spend it's life in agony only to be killed brutally.


who do we think we are to take the life of something else and consume it, to eat the flesh of another? we should know better by now.


go to a slaughter house, go to peta.com and watch the meet your meat video.


i am a very strict vegetarian and solid lean muscle. there is nothing weak about me at all.




how enlightened can mankind be if they continue to believe that anything should suffer and die for them because of simple greed?



respect your fellow earthlings.



there is so much suffering involved in factory farming and the meat industry. at least educate yourself on what your "food" goes through.

because it's real damn bad.









:reallysad:

[jesupocaplypse]

Vicente: I am in Mid-Northern Alberta, Canada. But my friend that i spoke of, is originally from further south, and he tells me that his great grand parents lived in Montana.

He would strongly disagree with your comment about spiritually evolved. That's an entirely relative thing. Who are you to say who is more or less than another? He is still the wisest and most spiritually "evolved" person i have ever had the honor to talk with. This land is quite a bit climatically harsher than the land of the Mayas, and who are the 'Buddhists' that you refer to... ? that's quite a broad spanning group... <_< But i do understand what you are refering to, and do agree somewhat. Many of their practices, were even to me... strange.

Life here was different. Much different.
Perhaps you should study Native spirituality more thouroughly... there are many similarities to Buddhism. Such as rebirth, and the Great Wheel of Life... and No, Buffalo was the Core of their diet. They followed the herds wherever they went. Thus the teepee. just about everything was made of buffalo. which provides about 600 to 800 pounds of meat on avg.
Pemmican, berry/meat jerky was made with most of it, so it would last. Around here, on the plains, berries are few and far between... many tribes, when they couldn't find buffalo, simply died.


Venomgirl: I very much agree that the meat industry is terrible. Factory produced animal products are horrible, and i don't support them one bit. They undermine the honest organic farmer and rancher, and they treat their animals like mere ingredients. The suffering is horrendous. Did you know that when they slaughter pigs, they use elecrical jolts, to keep the pigs heart beating, to keep it alive, so it pumps all the blood out quicker? Factory produced food makes me sick to my soul. It's not that People shouldn't eat meat, it's that they shouldn't eat factory/industry produced meat. I dunno about the states so much, but up here, Alberta and Saskatchewan meat, the farmers here treat their animals well, they live full spacious comfortable lives. several members of my family have farmed and raised sheep, cows, buffalo, and chickens for several generations. There is no cruelty or suffering involved in any way.

But taking life and consuming it is the way of life. All life feeds on life. All animals require death and the consuming of other animals to produce fertilizer to produce plant food to produce prey to produce predators to produce fertilizer to produce plant food to produce.... and on and on....

The great circle of life. There is nothing to fear from death. It is part of life, and essential for life to work. Greed? Greedy to live another day, to survive perhaps... Excess is the problem, waste and gluttony.

Deer don't need to be hunted due to overpopulation, but due to under population of wolves, due to humans killing them :angry: Perhaps you should move to Canada, where a majority of the land still belongs to the wild, in the great Canadian Shield. Here, it's the prairies where humans have taken over and disrupted the natural habitats.

Well, i'd love to meet you, because you would be the first i've met in that regard. I've not met many sickly veggitarians, but all of them, i could pick up and snap like a twig, :D

[jesupocaplypse]

(From 69 Disgustipated by Tool, off the Undertow album, written by Maynard James)

And the angel of the lord came unto me, snatching me up from my place of slumber.

And took me on high, and higher still until we moved to the spaces betwixt the air itself.
And he brought me into a vast farmlands of our own midwest.
And as we descended, cries of impending doom arose from the soil.

One thousand, nay a million voices full of fear.
And terror possesed me then.
And I begged, "Oh Angel of the Lord, what are these tortured screams?"
And the angel said unto me,
"These are the cries of the carrots, the cries of the carrots! You see, Reverend Maynard, tomorrow is harvest day and to them it is the holocaust."
And I sprang from my slumber drenched in sweat like the tears of one million terrified brothers and roared,
"Hear me now, I have seen the light! They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers!"
Can I get an amen? Can I get a hallelujah? Thank you Jesus.

Life feeds on life feeds on life feeds on life feeds on........

This is necessary.

How do you know your salad wasn't conscious once before it was torn brutally from the ground on which it lived? I believe All life is conscious. Just on different degrees. From the rocks to the aliens monitoring us. ;)

[vicente]

Vicente: I am in Mid-Northern Alberta, Canada. But my friend that i spoke of, is originally from further south, and he tells me that his great grand parents lived in Montana.

Hey, have you ever met John DeRuiter?

For example:

Waking up is not necessarily pleasant:
you get to see
why all this time,
you chose to sleep.

When you wake up
the first thing you will see is
Reality does not exist for you,
you exist for it.

Shocking as it is
when you let it in,
there is rest.

You do not have to labor anymore
to hold together a reality
that does not exist;
forcing something to be real
that is not real.

You and this life you have been living
are not real ...
In letting it in,
even through the shock... pain... shattering,
there is rest.

Reality is when
all you want to know is
what is true ...
just so that you can
let it in
and be true.

Reality is not a safe place for you -
the you that you have created.
It is the only place where
you would die;
where there is no room for
your hopes, your dreams.

Once you have let it in,
once you begin to re-awaken;
to let Reality wake you up,
nothing can get it out.

That is the beginning of your end.
Waking up can be much more painful
than the agony of your dream,
but waking up is real ...
And there will be integration:
a merging of Reality and you.

John de Ruiter
February, 2000
Edmonton, Canada
http://www.johnderuiter.com/

[vicente]

Around here, on the plains, berries are few and far between... many tribes, when they couldn't find buffalo, simply died.

In Eastern Montana, locally called The Big Empty, berries (ie., wild strawberries, raspberries, Elderberries, Gooseberries, Chokeberries, Currants, etc), grains (buckwheat, wheat, corn), wild asparagus along the creeks in spring, squash, beans, herbs (ie., wintergreen, clover, caraway, elder shrub, mints, etc), wild rose, pinion nuts from the hills, sunflowers, Garlic, peas, turnips, etc...were eaten by the local and traveling through tribes.

Many natives observed animals like the Buffalo, Bear, Deer, etc., and saw their strength, a strength which came from vegetarianism. They watched the Lion, and saw it lazy for hours after eating meat. I think American cowboy films have giving an incorrect view of Native Americans,...even to Native Americans. From my understanding, the "gathering" part of Hunters-Gatherers was much more broader then the "hunting" part.

:)

[jesupocaplypse]

Yes there are many varieties of plants, herbs and berries. Of which they used most all of them. But go outside and try to live for even a single day on what you can gather. Go on I dare you.

Not going to happen. Now there's not nearly as many wild plantfoods growing as there was back in their day, but there's also not nearly as many other animals to compete with for them either.

Where exactly are you getting your information on how they lived?

Gerald Strongfox, sitting beside me here, is 81 years old, and continues the same traditions and practices as were taught to him by his parents and theirs before them. He says otherwise.

Women would gather. Men would Hunt. When hunting was unsuccessful. Often, they'd go hungry.

The mountain lions around here... ever had an opportunity to observe them outside of a tv show or a book? If your still alive, obviously not. Same generally went with the natives. Pumas, were feared and repespected with a supernatural awe. No human can get close enought to a wild cougar to ever see it resting. Maybe waiting. But then it's usually too late.

I haven't watched many american cowboy movies. Just a few spagetthi westerns with good ol' Eastwood. So i am unaware of the impression they give. But it's probably safe to assume it's a negative one.

I'm curious as to where your understandings of this subject originate from. As many plantfoods as one could possibly hope to find, even when lucky, are maybe enough to for 1 or 2, a few at most to Survive. Barely. For a whole tribe, to thrive and prosper. Even in the ancient days, there simply wasn't enough. The lives of the plains indians, where completely dependant on the buffalo. Go ask one yourself.

There are many areas in Canada, that are still completely untouched by human influenece. the vast wilderness of the canadian shield, much of northern Saskatchewan, and vast areas of the Rocky Mountains... where I often go survival camping. A few times I've even parachuted into the middle of nowhere, with nothing more than what i could carry on my person. (this is the sort of thing I do for fun. I used to be a survival instructor with the Canadian Armed Forces, before i retired)

Surival without a Safeway, is not nearly as easy as one might think, even within a resource abundant area. My survival skills, thanks to my military training, are top notch. If i tried to rely solely on what i could gather. I'd not be here today. I'd be quite dead long ago. Survival might have been possible, i'm sure of it, so long as i was able to flag down a rescue helicoptor to med-evac me to a hospital before too late. But i would have wasted away after a week or two, to the point that i wouldn't be physically fit enough to continue to scrounge and hunt, or check my traps. I'd be prey.

Survival in wild north america, without meat and without farming, is flat out IMPOSSIBLE.

No ifs ands or buts about it. And that's in thick forest. On the prairies. Hah! Without getting help from a nearby farmer, North American prairie survival is one of the most difficult and unforgiving landscapes to ever live on. Little more than desert. Fields of various grains cover the land now, but back in the ancient days, it sure didn't.

Clearly you've never been in a survival situation before.


No i haven't met nor heard of John DeRuiter. I live a very seperate existance from mainstream civilization.

Live long and Prosper, :peace:
Jesupocalypse

[vicente]

But go outside and try to live for even a single day on what you can gather. Go on I dare you.

Been there, done that,..for many days. I also trapped (coyote, bobcat, beaver, muskrat, rabbit, etc., for a year, when coyote pelts were $72 and bobcat $300. In '86 I sold 75 coyote skins, 4 bobcat, 122 muskrat, 8 beaver and 1 fox. Trapping is easy for a vegetarian,...very little scent. I baked bread from wild wheat and got yeast from junipers to rise it. Being raised in a city, I spent 10 years learning to be a wilderness survivalist. Lived quite well,...even sold a bunch of Cribbage boards made out of steer jaws and used coyote penis bones for the pegs.

Women would gather. Men would Hunt. When hunting was unsuccessful. Often, they'd go hungry.

That's sad to hear. He should have had a few Crow, Gros Ventre, Cheyenne or Nez Perce woman around. I can't imagine a tribe sustaining themselves on less than 80% berries, grains, nuts, fruits and herbs.

The mountain lions around here

In all my years in the forests and deserts I've never seen a lion,...many bears, small cats, snakes, boars, wild dogs, etc.

No human can get close enought to a wild cougar to ever see it resting.

I'd doubt that. A hundred or more years ago it would be common to come upon a lion while eating or just following a meal,...simply by watching the birds. These days there are relatively few large cats in the American west. They got some beauties at the desert center in Tucson.

A few times I've even parachuted into the middle of nowhere, with nothing more than what i could carry on my person.

I never been up that way,...but I used to have a fantasy, to be dropped off on some tundra so to be hunted by bears. I spent a year up in Iceland and used to love the snow and artic climate.

Surival without a Safeway, is not nearly as easy as one might think


I think the biggest part of survival is realizing that you can get along fine with a thousand calories or less per day. Herbal teas are especially good.

Survival in wild north america, without meat and without farming, is flat out IMPOSSIBLE

Perhaps today,...for an extended period. Depends on the month.

Clearly you've never been in a survival situation before.

I would say, clearly , the Canadian Armed Forces needs to revamp their suvival training,...but, I never been to Northern Saskatchewan.

No i haven't met nor heard of John DeRuiter

From what I have heard, he is one of the truely wise people on the Planet right now. I've considered going up to see him at his satsangs a few times.

Well, best wishes in your seperate existance from mainstream civilization.

Vicente
:)

[sahyo]

Women would gather. Men would Hunt. When hunting was unsuccessful. Often, they'd go hungry.



That's sad to hear. He should have had a few Crow, Gros Ventre, Cheyenne or Nez Perce woman around. I can't imagine a tribe sustaining themselves on less than 80% berries, grains, nuts, fruits and herbs.



not the same food abundantly available, nor available all seasons

lived british columbia and then alberta many years

[sahyo]

He should have had a few Crow, Gros Ventre, Cheyenne or Nez Perce woman around. I can't imagine a tribe sustaining themselves on less than 80% berries, grains, nuts, fruits and herbs.



researching happened:


What did the Nez Perce people eat before contact with white men?

The Nez Perce people didn't just concentrate all their time on food gathering, hunting or food preparation. The question was "what kind of food did the Nez Perce people eat", and it so happens we travel with the seasons. I will describe the food gathering, hunting and preparing by going through each season and what a Nez Perce family (or band) would have gathered at that time.

Within the deep canyons of the traditional Nimi'ipuu land, the people relied on the rivers, mountains and prairies for sustenance. They practiced a seasonal subsistence cycle, living with the seasons, not by the month. In early spring, the women traveled to the lower valleys to dig root crops. The men traveled to the Snake and Columbia rivers to intercept the early salmon runs. The men still hunted, but much less during the salmon runs. In mid-summer all the people of the village moved to higher mountainous areas setting up temporary camps to gather later root crops, fish the streams, and do more hunting of the big game. By late fall the people settled back into their traditional villages along the Snake, Clearwater, and Salmon rivers. Salmon and other fish, game, dried roots and berries provided winter foods for storage. However, hunting parties would travel to the hills and river bottoms where the deer and elk wintered.

The basic roots gathered for winter storage included camas bulb (kehmmes), bitterroot (thlee-tahn), khouse (qawas), wild carrot (tsa-weetkh), wild potato (keh-keet), and other root crops. Fruit collected included service berries, gooseberries, hawthorn berries, thorn berries, huckleberries, currants, elderberries, chokecherries, blackberries, raspberries, and wild strawberries. Other food gathered includes pine nuts, sunflower seeds, and black moss.

Large game animals that were hunted include deer, elk, moose, bear (black, brown, and grizzly), mountain sheep and goats. After the introduction of the horse, the Nimi'ipuu men traveled to the Montana Plains to hunt bison and antelope with the Flathead (Sa-likh) people. Even after bison was introduced into the Nimi'ipuu diet, deer and elk meat were still important foods for the winter storage. Small game was hunted when needed, include rabbit, squirrel, badgers, and marmot. Birds such as ducks, geese, ruffed grouse, and sage hens were also hunted.

[sahyo]

THE PLAINS INDIANS

The main meat of the Plains Indians was the bison (buffalo). The meat was prepared in different ways:

roasted on a spit on the campfire.
boiled in a skin bag
cut into thin slices and hung to dry.
made into pemmican
liver, kidneys, marrow and nose were eaten fresh

Sausages were made from strips of meat and fat seasoned with wild onions and herbs (sage)

Besides the bison, antelope, deer, elk and moose were hunted. Gophers, rabbits, prairie chickens and other small animals and birds were caught in snare traps.

Many kinds of berries were picked including chokecherries, blueberries, raspberries, strawberries and saskatoons. The berries were eaten fresh or dried. Berries were also used for dyes, jewelry and medicines. Food was stored in birchbark containers.

Plants that grew wild such as wild rice, bitter root, onions and prairie turnips were also picked. Turnips were eaten raw, boiled or roasted. Dried turnips and pounded into flour.

Dried sage was used for flavouring food and moss was used for tea.

[sahyo]

Enzymes: The Difference Between Raw and Cooked Foods:

http://www.living-foods.com/articles/rawvscooked.html

[sahyo]

No i haven't met nor heard of John DeRuiter.



:D great...not necessary

[sahyo]

Waking up is not necessarily pleasant:



Shocking as it is



Waking up can be much more painful
than the agony of your dream



those statements silly

:lol:

[sahyo]

Gerald Strongfox, sitting beside me here

helloing gerald strongfox :D

[jesupocaplypse]

Mmhmm.

Now Vicente how do you really know in any way what it would be like 100 years or so ago? Speculation my friend has no place in this conversation.

No. It would not be easy to come up upon a cougar even after it ate. I have studied these magestic beasts for many years. I have large ugly scars along my back and my legs from where i was once attacked by one for getting too close. Their sense of smell and of hearing, is incredibly keen. and the WORST time to find a cougar, short of while it's hunting, is while it's eating. but this is getting off topic, and beside the point. What we know of natural lion behavior, is learned through a very very Large telescopic lens. you've seen those shows on discovery channel i'm sure. ya know how far away that camera crew is? Natives did not observe lions being lazy after eating.

and enjoying a few hours of lazyness after a nice meal is one of the great luxuries of life. better than being highstrung and jumpy like the herbivores.. ;)

I apologize for making the false assumption that you were unexperienced, but survival in the states, and survival in Canada, are quite a bit different. Especially on the prairies.

I meant to say survival without hunting, and killing, on the plains is impossible. Maybe for a few weeks, a month or two at best, but not through winter. Not a chance. -30 celsius with no trees to block the bitter winds requires a hell of a lot more than nuts and berries to live thru.

This is a rather futile discussion, because there is no where in the United states that is like northern canada. especially during winter. That makes all the difference. 2 different climates.
Now, i'm not even too clear about what the original problem here is, but many many tribes, died off when the buffalo disappeared. Meat and fat is nessecary in this climate.

"I would say, clearly , the Canadian Armed Forces needs to revamp their suvival training,...but, I never been to Northern Saskatchewan."

It's a beautiful place. but unforgiving. and merciless. If you'd lived a year out there with nothing but a knife, you might be singing a different tune. 'specially when the snow starts to fall
and i was not speaking about myself, i was speaking about regular, inexperienced people.

Survival is one thing. Living a healthy and prosperous life is quite another. I'm sure it's possible to survive out here without meat. but not thru winter.

Now if i recall correctlly; this debate was originally about whether or not animal flesh is necessary to live well, am i right? I think it's important to remember, to place that in context, with: who what where when and why. What's good for one person, ain't always good for another. and until i can find an abundant source of protein that i can grow in this climate, and tastes good enough to replace meat.. i will continue to eat meat. We are omnivores for a reason.

[sahyo]

We are omnivores



there's alot controversy that :)

[vicente]

Natives did not observe lions being lazy after eating

I thought you said: Speculation my friend has no place in this conversation.

I was a trapper,...walked right up on eagles, bobcat, and coyotes in my bate. To say a native or pre-19th century travelers never observed a lion eating simple seems aburd from a western US perspective.

I meant to say survival without hunting, and killing, on the plains is impossible. Maybe for a few weeks, a month or two at best, but not through winter. Not a chance. -30 celsius with no trees to block the bitter winds requires a hell of a lot more than nuts and berries to live thru.

Sure, I agree. Without a few months to prepare, winters are brutal on the Prairie,...with time, the simple observation of a squirrel shows you what to expect. In winter, I walked one of three trap (stainless snares) lines every morning,...not much to eat,...can't even get to roots.

Now if i recall correctlly; this debate was originally about whether or not animal flesh is necessary to live well, am i right? I think it's important to remember, to place that in context, with: who what where when and why

Absolutely! In the selva Lacondon (I lived a year near Palenque) I could live quite well off the land, even without farming (wild coffee, cocoa, avacados, papaya, mangoes, limons, corn, hundreds of herbs, fruit, greens, veggies),...I certainly wouldn't want to be dropped off on the Mackenzie Delta in December. With only a knife, I'd be eating racoon, rat, and rabbit for the first few days,...not many carbs in that.

:)

[jesupocaplypse]

:duh:

speculation. Sort of Except I am going off of what Gerald has told me.

Maybe after eating. But not while eating. Especially the big cats, who are extremely defensive/protective of their kills. They pause between to each bite, between each chew to listen, look and smell... not a good time to come upon them.

But where there's a will there's way. I suppose nothin's impossible if there's a strong enough will...

[vicente]

speculation. Sort of Except I am going off of what Gerald has told me

Sure,..imagine being downwind and on a slightly elevated position about 50 metres from a cougar. I've gotten within 15 metres of coyotes before they "saw" me. Personally, I feel predators can see auras, even after auras. So I would try to manipulate my own aura (and scent) to get close.

At first I did not understand why I committed myself to that trapping experience, but afterwards I realized I could use the same techniques to trap aspects of my ego, or "little i's",...that is, belief patterns that subtly controlled my life.

:)

[venom mama]

there are few things more painful than getting your foot caught in a steel trap





imagine minding your own buisness when BAM your leg, snout,tail gets caught.


make you want to chew it off.





oh wait........they do.

[jesupocaplypse]

oh no Venom girl, There are many Many things more painful than that.

[venom mama]

yes,

i suppose the human mind is capable of creating much more horrifying tortures, but if you're a wild animal with a limb caught in a trap, alone, experiencing agonizing pain, wanting only to live, waiting for the trapper to come kill you or trying to chew your self free



not much is worse.





:(




:peace:

[vicente]

but if you're a wild animal with a limb caught in a trap, alone, experiencing agonizing pain, wanting only to live

Personally, I've never used "steel (victor like) traps"(never met anyone who did),...but stainless snares. A stainless snare is a length of stainless cord fashioned into a loop by a small metal clip (like a noose) and put out on trails or baited areas (trail sets - bait sets), and attached/secured to a tree or anchor. Most would strangle themselves in less than 30 minutes (by observing the area of struggle), many within minutes. Some wouldn't fight it and chewed through the cord. Many deer (the terrorists of Faeries) would get their noses caught and suffocate, which would then become additional bait.

If your scent is anywhere near the snare, or if your after-aura is there, most animals avoid the area. The great thing about trapping is grasping the Art.

On a spiritual level of Inner Work, a Trapper, or surrogate I Am, is an unfailing worker to peel-back the layers of egos beliefs.

Trapping is a refined art, exacting science, and auspicious tool to manage the human condition, which delves into all aspects of our inner and outer environment. The inherent nature of a Trapper is keen and undivided in its task to locate and harvest beliefs. The Trapper understands it is only a surrogate I, not a 'Real I', and therein lies its effectiveness. The sensory driven beliefs, memories, anticipations are its quarry. As such, the Trapper quickly realizes that both the intellect, the sciential mind, and the body are undependable, as long as the ego-self governs their demeanor to sustain itself. When the ego-self is sufficiently transcended however, the surrogate becomes aware of the underlying Light-Self, the Thoughtless I Am.

At that level of transcendence, or disrobing of the ego-selfs beliefs, Duality is more readily seen as One Thing relating with itself. The outbreath and inbreath, negative and positive, that and this, of One reality. Cold moist yin compresses. That compression warms into heated yang, which then expands back into cold. Yet this integral, moving, Tao-like cycle is not an expression of Everything; there is no One-based solution.

The surrogate I is not looking for cause in the electromagnetic universal pulse; instead, it encourages the stilling of the bodies neural networks so to reduce the electromagnetic influences on perception. Cause is a perception of the ego-self through a stimulated sciential intellect that views objects being outside of itself. Neuropsychology, through electroencephalgraphic studies, especially with meditators and Vajrayana type adepts, have shown that reduced activity in the parietal lobes encourages sapiential connectedness with duality's reality by decreasing perception of object-ivity's boundaries. What the surrogate observes inside this Thymos/Heart orientated vision is as the effects of cause; and in that, is revealed Zero. Not nothing, but Everything; where nothing unreal exists. At this arrival, perhaps even sooner, the surrogate I dissolves. For in Zero, Reality is realized; and consequently the Real I Am. The surrogate has completed its job.

Vicente

[sahyo]

Trapping is a refined art, exacting science, and auspicious tool to manage the human condition, which delves into all aspects of our inner and outer environment.


desires trying "manage"ing/manipulating?

"inner" as though an "outer"?


Duality is more readily seen as One Thing relating with itself.



:lol:



;)

[venom mama]

vicente



it's ok for something to take 30 minutes to strangle to death?

it's ok for a deer to suffocate and die, leaving more bait?




trapping is not a refined art.


if you are a hunter who hunts for food there is some justification for it.

trapping for fur is only an easy way to make blood money.



just so you all know that i'm not just talking crap, i know a great deal about forestry and wildlife management. happen to have majored in forestry and minored in wildlife management. i live in the forest, work in the forest and i know many hunters. i know all about traps. they are cruel and there is nothing humane about them.



at least respect nature enough to kill it quickly and not leave it to suffer for your own purposes.

such disrespect.



by trapping and selling the furs of living animals you only made blood money.

by not even caring about the suffering of an animal............



:reallysad:






you mentioned the THOUGHTLESS I AM..........

at least you know yourself.
i couldn't have put it better.


:peace:

[vicente]

trapping for fur is only an easy way to make blood money.

Yes,...I lost many acquaintenceships through mentioning that, even the possibility of a love of a lifetime, who, instead of comparing a 100% astrological synastry, chose to follow her beliefs and predispositions.

In the end however, I am impeccably certain that my actions were consistant with the 8 fold-path,...possibly not to the average Buddhist, but surely to the open-minded ones.

Of course, I have done a few unkindly things in my life, but I don't my trapping adventure to be one of them. Thanks for the feedback,...I forgot how much of a touchy subject it is with many.

:)

[Ronagon]

I like a nice, greasy, pork sandwich served in a dirty ash-tray...

[venom mama]

:peace:




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:tao:

[vicente]

LONDON Feb. 16, 2005 - Scientists at Stanford University found that wiring up an old mouse to the blood stream of a young one gave a major boost to muscle recovery time in the older one.
By contrast, when old blood was pumped round the body of a young mouse, muscle recovery time became more prolonged, they said in the science journal Nature.
It was not just muscles that benefited. The same was true of the livers of older mice.
Researchers said the results suggested that the aging process lay less with the organs themselves than with the tired blood off which they fed.

This insightful article begs to ask,...how can us older folks get less tired, younger blood?

Guess what the answer is?

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