Realize The Power Of Your Self

[onlineguru]

Have you felt that no matter how successful you are, you are never
satisfied with your achievements.

Or, have you been on a roller coaster ride in life. Too many DOWNS and
very few UPs. What you want and expect that never happens.

If the answer is YES... then you have not yet realized your SELF.

The SELF is the only way to communicate directly with the good Lord.

Over the ages, mankind has communicated indirectly with the good Lord
in the form of prayers to the Son of the good Lord or a prophet and worship
idols and books.

None of this has really solved the problems of humanity and the world so far.

That is because people have prayed without realizing their SELF.

The SELF unites the power of millions of others who pray to the good Lord.

It is like the spiritual SuperHighway that has a open communication channel
with the good Lord.

I am part of the TrueSky movement which has unlocked the secret to awaken and
realize our SELF using daily meditation and following the messages received
by other members.

The results have been extraordinary especially for me whose life has been a
roller coaster and things never work out. Most of my prayers are now being
heard by the good lord.

However, I still have a long way to go before I can claim to have full control
over my SELF. And that takes time and patience. Once I achieve this, I shall
enjoy the benefits of being closest to the good Lord.

If you are interested in how to achieve this yourself, feel free to write to me.

Realize the power within you...

Guru

[Thomas Knierim]

Originally posted by onlineguru@Dec 20 2004, 01:59 PM
That is because people have prayed without realizing their SELF.
That's new!

Wasn't the idea of meditation to disprove the SELF?

Cheers, Thomas

[Nick_A]

Hello Thomas

Wasn't the idea of meditation to disprove the SELF?

I always thought that meditation loosens the power of attachment. But attachment isn't the self. If the old Socratic axiom "Know Thyself" has any merit there must be a self and an aspect of ourselves that can begin to know it but can be separate from it.

I believe that meditation can provide the calm necessary to be able to truly know the self by being temporarily free of attachment. Disproving the self and beginning to know it may be related but not the same for me.

[Nick_A]

Hello onlineguru

It seems to me that in the following biblical passage, the devil is offering the power of the self but Jesus refuses. Why? Regardless of religious beliefs, what meaning do you think this passage was meant to convey?

Matthew 4

8Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;


9And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.


10Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

[onlineguru]

Originally posted by Nick_A@Dec 21 2004, 12:26 AM
Hello onlineguru

It seems to me that in the following biblical passage, the devil is offering the power of the self but Jesus refuses. Why? Regardless of religious beliefs, what meaning do you think this passage was meant to convey?

Matthew 4

8Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;

* *
* 9And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.

* *
* 10Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
What the passages means is as follows:

"There are many distractions in this material world that keeps you away from realizing your True SELF. So that you remain disconnected from the good Lord."

Jesus however went on to realize his True SELF and become one with GOD

Guru

[sonrisa]

Originally posted by onlineguru@Dec 20 2004, 02:59 AM

I am part of the TrueSky movement which has unlocked the secret to awaken and realize our SELF using daily meditation and following the messages received by other members.


you wanna post a link?

[onlineguru]

Originally posted by sonrisa+Dec 21 2004, 07:00 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (sonrisa @ Dec 21 2004, 07:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--onlineguru@Dec 20 2004, 02:59 AM

I am part of the TrueSky movement which has unlocked the secret to awaken and realize our SELF using daily meditation and following the messages received by other members.


you wanna post a link? [/b][/quote]

The TrueSky movement has a community Journal. But membership is based on invitation only.

TrueSky Community Journal (http://www.livejournal.com/community/TrueSky)

You can alternatively write to trueSky@hushmail.com

Guru

[Nick_A]

Hello Onlineguru

"There are many distractions in this material world that keeps you away from realizing your True SELF. So that you remain disconnected from the good Lord."

I agree but isn't this exactly what the devil offered to Jesus? He offered to help clear away any obstacles that would prevent him from accomplishing whatever he desired. What's the difference?

[onlineguru]

Originally posted by Nick_A@Dec 21 2004, 09:03 PM
Hello Onlineguru

"There are many distractions in this material world that keeps you away from realizing your True SELF. So that you remain disconnected from the good Lord."

I agree but isn't this exactly what the devil offered to Jesus? He offered to help clear away any obstacles that would prevent him from accomplishing whatever he desired. What's the difference?
The difference is that the devil offered ANYTHING to Jesus. Whereas my spirituality offers only the means to communicate to good Lord.

THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE. Don't you think.

Guru

[Nick_A]

The difference is that the devil offered ANYTHING to Jesus. Whereas my spirituality offers only the means to communicate to good Lord.

The Sufi's have a saying: "He who believes he is looking at the face of God is looking at the face of the Devil"

Don't get me wrong; I'm not against self realization but I know over the years how much it has been distorted. In the old days it simply meant "to be". I only wanted to sense through your response where you were coming from.

[bito]

from Nick: The Sufi's have a saying: "He who believes he is looking at the face of God is looking at the face of the Devil"

The greatest hell of all is believing you know heaven.

[Nick_A]

Hi Bito

The greatest hell of all is believing you know heaven.

This could make for an interesting discussion of the relationship of "sin" to "law" as described in Romans 3 but that is another matter.

However, it is one thing to believe you know and quite another for a being to have acquired so much excess baggage so to speak that they are unable to ascend now that they've acquired a genuine understanding? Fortunately this is very rare, but for me, this would be real hell.

[bito]

However, it is one thing to believe you know and quite another for a being to have acquired so much excess baggage so to speak that they are unable to ascend now that they've acquired a genuine understanding? Fortunately this is very rare, but for me, this would be real hell.

As for ascension. I cannot say. As for metaphysical imaginings, there is nothing as alluring, nothing as seductive as these illusions. Breaking free of this seduction is extremely difficult, for there is a fear that once these dreams are surrendered, there will be nothing to ’anchor’ self to existence.

Once one understands that they are indeed chasing the wind, there is nothing that self can do to prevent the inevitable (perception of) unsettling or even shattering that follows this understanding. If one is strong in faith that self cannot actually be destroyed, that this is only a perception, then self will recover and ’return’ to now. For those who believe that self can actually be destroyed, then, yes, this would be real hell, but only because they believe this is so.

[sahyo]

If one is strong in faith that self cannot actually be destroyed, that this is only a perception, then self will recover and ’return’ to now.



not possible imagined/ego/"self"/"one"/entity to leave/"return"

[bito]

not possible imagined/ego/"self"/"one"/entity to leave/"return"

Self exists in the sense of distinctiveness; asheera self and bito self, communicating right now. Responding distinctiveness.

As for ego/'one'/entity to leave/'return', these are indeed part of the imaginings, but for many persons, these imaginings must be perceived as being 'surrendered' in order to be perceived as being free of their 'spell'. Perhaps for asheera, who perhaps? never fell under the spell of imaginings, this 'surrender' never happened.

[Nick_A]

Bito

As for ego/'one'/entity to leave/'return', these are indeed part of the imaginings, but for many persons, these imaginings must be perceived as being 'surrendered' in order to be perceived as being free of their 'spell'. Perhaps for asheera, who perhaps? never fell under the spell of imaginings, this 'surrender' never happened.

Thee is an old saying: "A stick has two ends.". It can explain many things.

I'm really so happy for you that you've seen this. The experiences you've had could have really harmed you but you've seen them for what they are before ending up in an institution where more than you know end up aftrer experimenting with things they know nothing about.

But the stick has two ends. It was from your experience that I believe you've made some important discoveries about yourself

So a toast of holiday cheer for Bito keeping the stick alive. :)

[bito]

The experiences you've had could have really harmed you but you've seen them for what they are before ending up in an institution where more than you know end up aftrer experimenting with things they know nothing about.

Just to clarify, I never experimented with a single technique, not even meditation, except in the sense of contemplation, of mulling over, of 'being with' a thought, be it 'light' or be it 'dark' (at times intensely) to validate its meaning for me. I deliberating avoided any spiritual technique just for the fact that I wanted to be fully present during my thought-emotions journey.

But the stick has two ends. It was from your experience that I believe you've made some important discoveries about yourself

Indeed. And is that not the point? Not taking anyone's word for anything, but to discover 'it' for oneself? To 'own' 'it', if you will?

So a toast of holiday cheer for Bito keeping the stick alive.

Thanks...back attchya... :)

[Thomas Knierim]

Self? Ego?

It's mighty confusing, isn't it? Some spiritual teachers, in particular those representing the Advaita Vedanta tradition, make a difference between ego and self, whereas the ego is typically the "bad guy" and the self is the "good guy", the true Atman identity. Other teachers, in particular those of the Buddhist tradition, state that the ego and the self are one and the same, and that they are wholly constructed and therefore insubstantial and unreal. Christian theologicians are closer to the former position; in fact, they are "right wing Advaita" if you want, because they assume not only the existence of a substantial self, but they embellish it on a grand scale by posing an abiding entity, the soul, which is different from God.

Needless to say that all of these hypotheses are constructs of the human mind and not much else. Problems arise from belief, or "wrongful identification" in Buddhist terms, i.e. the leap of faith that the mind undertakes when it starts to identify one or another construct with reality. This is the beginning of separation from truth, of dichotomzation, confusion, and of disagreement.

The true teachers have understood this problem. For example, Jesus said that "I and the Father are the same." This is one of the sayings of Jesus that shows the depth of his insight. There is no substantial difference between self and non-self. We are anything but disconnected entities. Although this very difficult to understand for the intellect, it is something that deserves intensive study.

Greetings from Thailand,
Thomas

[Nick_A]

Hello Thomas

You said: "For example, Jesus said that "I and the Father are the same." This is one of the sayings of Jesus that shows the depth of his insight.


Are you referring to this passage?

John 10:29-30 (King James Version)
King James Version (KJV)

29My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

30I and my Father are one.

Does "one" really mean "same"?

[onlineguru]

The Latest Clue and a message from GOD.

Hi,

Here is an article in which you might find clues about what I have been suggesting in this thread.

Read this article (http://216.132.172.70/indiadaily/editorial/12-26-04.asp)

Especially the following paragraph....


"Monks also mentioned that beyond 2012 our current civilization would understand that the final frontier of science and technology is in area of spirituality and not material physics and chemistry. Beyond 2012, out technologies will take a different direction. People will learn the essence of spirituality, the relation between body and the soul, the reincarnation and the fact we are connected with each other are all part of “God”.
"

Important to note is the date of this Thread. It is way many days after I started spreading my message of the SELF on this forum.

This article for me is another message from the good Lord to continue on the path and mission I have been assigned.

Love and Peace

Guru

[jesupocaplypse]

Originally posted by Nick_A@Dec 23 2004, 09:12 PM
Does "one" really mean "same"?
Your body is 'one', but it is composed of different parts... which are not the same... your brain, your lungs your heart etc... are all 'one' but are not the same... but then... they're all composed of tissues that are composed of cells, that are composed of little bits that are composed of molecules that are composed of atoms, that are composed of electrons and protons and neutrons, which are composed of _____ (?? what's them called again ??) that are all the same! same as all matter!!


so yes and no and yes. mayhaps?

[wacawacany]

does this go along with Stoicism? which believes that everything single thing, whether it be a person, an animal, a tree, dirt, has a God in itself that it needs to be in touch with in order to live a full meaningful life?

[jesupocaplypse]

"In" would imply that it's not "Out"

In/Out imagined.

ALL matter is energy condensed to a slow vibration... All the universe, is energy.

One could give that Energy a name if one so desired. Call it God. Call it Life. Call it Joe if you like.

An aborted fetus has lived just as "Full" a life as a retired Astronaut.

a life's Meaning is self inflicted.

Form. Exist. Transform. Imagined 'Time' and action do not make a life Full or Not Full.

An hour as a Lion, or a year as a Sheep. Either one is as 'full' and 'meaningful' as the other...

[sahyo]

these imaginings must be perceived as being 'surrendered' in order to be perceived as being free of their 'spell'.



no

[Thomas Knierim]

Originally posted by onlineguru@Dec 27 2004, 12:27 PM
"Monks also mentioned that beyond 2012 our current civilization would understand that the final frontier of science and technology is in area of spirituality and not material physics and chemistry. Beyond 2012, out technologies will take a different direction. People will learn the essence of spirituality, the relation between body and the soul, the reincarnation and the fact we are connected with each other are all part of “God”."

I would welcome such a development. - Who wouldn't?

Our technological development has taken over our social, political, and spiritual development. This has quite a few nasty consequences. Our planet is being exploited. Political and national conflicts are aggravating. The gap between rich and poor is widening. Pollution and environmental degradation accelerates.

To reverse this situation, spiritual education is indispensable. Until now, science ignores the spirit. It doesn't know about it. This is a serious limitation. Without proper undertanding of the spiritual, science becomes uncontrollable. Technology is a great servant, but it is an abysmal master. Hence, scientific education should be accompanied by education of the mind. Without education of the mind, mankind is mindless. That's what we see now.

Meditation is a tool for spiritual education. Unfortunately it is not yet taught in schools and universities.

Thomas

[bito]

asheera

QUOTE

these imaginings must be perceived as being 'surrendered' in order to be perceived as being free of their 'spell'.



no

for you, no

for me, yes

and yes, you*me as in different understandings of being

[sahyo]

isn't understanding