Evolution

[DrewPollock]

What is the case for evolution? Evolution is logical, but where is the missing link? The evidence to this THEORY is pathetic.

:huh: What set evolution in motion?
<_< Possibly a universal diety or force?

[todd]

Why is evolution logical? I do not see any logic in evolution.
Evolution is just a concept we use, trying to accommodate certain dynamic phenomena.


Evolution is about motion, about dynamic. I do not see how you can fit evolution to something static (relative static or dynamic, of course).

If we are going deeper, I think "evolution" in your meaning, implies a target, an external will, so you already answered your questions.

[DrewPollock]

Well, it kind of makes sense. But there is no proof, yet people believe it like they saw the whole thing take place on CNN. The fact that it is taught in several public schools is absolutely crazy.

If i wrote a piece of literature, in perfect english, explaining how the god named "steven" masturbated and out came humanity, it would be discovered in 1000 years and taught in public school. thats a bad analogy, but you get my point. The only real difference is that my story isnt very believable, even for the gullible, and the theory of evolution is a more logical explaination for the human race. But they are both based on the same amount of evidence.

[todd]

Evolutionist theory is based on some facts. There is a so called "missing link" - in my opinion a lot more than one, but I do not think we are very far from an answer. The human genome inventory has already been completed, and once we will have the code for the main species, a conclusion or maybe a new theory will not be far.
I do believe in my God, so my believing includes creationism in a way or another. I’m not very convinced yet of the nature of the creation: the whole universe, life itself, humans, or maybe only the spark called now missing link.
But I think there will never be an absolute answer. All theories are based on premises and probabilities. I do not think there is anything certain except mathematics and logic. All the other sciences are based on models, experiments and probabilities, so uncertain.
If I stop being picky, and focus on evolutionism only, my own option, for now, is for a creation followed by a natural evolution, drastically altered at a certain points.
I just cannot see life emerging by itself from the organic soup….

[sonrisa]

so how do you reconcile creationism with evolution?

[sahyo]

I do not think there is anything certain except mathematics and logic.

certain?

[DrewPollock]

I agree with you on that todd. I believe that evolution could have happened, but i do not believe it just sprang up from the water. I believe something had to start the process. Which in my belief, was the universal diety.

[sahyo]

todd believes mathematics and logic "certain"?

[todd]

Not absolutely. But if we agree that everything else is not, I will like not to argue about these two, because they are our (my) referential…I agree this is not necessarily true though.

[sahyo]

thanx

does todd desire sensation referential rather than not?

[a random hack]

If i wrote a piece of literature, in perfect english, explaining how the god named "steven" masturbated and out came humanity, it would be discovered in 1000 years and taught in public school. thats a bad analogy, but you get my point. The only real difference is that my story isnt very believable, even for the gullible, and the theory of evolution is a more logical explaination for the human race. But they are both based on the same amount of evidence.



http://www.crystalinks.com/vedic.html

This universe existed in the shape of darkness, unperceived, destitute of distinctive marks, unattainable by reasoning, unknowable, wholly immersed, as it were, in deep sleep.

Then the Divine Self-existent, himself indiscernible but making all this, the great elements and the rest, discernible, appeared with irresistible power, dispelling the darkness.

He who can be perceived by the internal organ alone, who is subtle, indiscernible, and eternal, who contains all created beings and is inconceivable, shone forth of his own will.

He, desiring to produce beings of many kinds from his own body, first with a thought created the waters, and placed his seed in them.

That seed became a golden egg, in brilliancy equal to the sun; in that egg he himself was born as Brahma, the progenitor of the whole world....

The Divine One resided in that egg during a whole year, then he himself by his thought divided it into two halves;

And out of those two halves he formed heaven and earth, between them the middle sphere, the eight points of the horizon, and the eternal abode of the waters.

From himself he also drew forth the mind, which is both real and unreal, likewise from the mind ego, which possesses the function of self-consciousness and is lordly.

Moreover, the great one, the soul, and all products affected by the three qualities, and, in their order, the five organs which perceive the objects of sensation.

But, joining minute particles even of those six, which possess measureless power, with particles of himself, he created all beings.

[sahyo]

hack believe literal?

[todd]

I think everything we are is due to sensation and imagination. Logic comes later to bring order in the chaos created by them, hiding some dust under the carpet though. What we are doing here, we are blowing it all around again… It’s fun.

[a random hack]

todd, what creates the desire for order?

asheera, that ole tale? literal?
:lol: :D nope :lol:

[sahyo]

:lol: :D

[DrewPollock]

Random Hack,

I read the website, it was interesting. I have never heard of anything like that before. I like that website. Thanks

That quote you put up..... it could be possible, but it seems quite fictional.

[todd]

http://www.crystalinks.com/vedic.html

New disciples of Eric von Daeniken and paleo-astreonautics, new stories same fake.

[todd]

todd, what creates the desire for order? a random hack

Desire for order?
So let’s start from chaos.
Actually you cannot see chaos without order. If only chaos exist order is meaningless, there is no order preview in an absolute chaos, so they have to coexist in a way or another.

If only order exist, chaos has a meaning though – it is about our limits to comprehend order. Maybe here is the “desire for order”, desire to comprehend.

If both exist, chaos in order, or order in chaos, I do not know…why is order better than chaos… or what exactly better means…or I definitely need more time to meditate on this.

[DrewPollock]

yeah, that website is fake. You can tell by the psychic who runs it. i find information like that interesting in a humorous way.

[sonrisa]

how is the website fake? I knew about vimanas long before I read about them on that site. (aside to Random- it was an Aussie, Andrew Tomas, who put me hip to them) the Vedas are real. The Mahabharatra is real. The vimanas exist- in literature. Whether they actually existed... that's another question.

I'm not so sure about the vailixi. Plato never mentioned them. There are all sorts of Atlantis stories floating around that have absolutely no basis in Plato. They are questionable, to put it nicely. So if that's what you mean by the site being fake...

[a random hack]

(aside to Random- it was an Aussie, Andrew Tomas, who put me hip to them)
Groovey, babe :D :thumbsup:


If both exist, chaos in order, or order in chaos, I do not know

maybe the third page of this link will give you a hint.... or maybe not :lol:

first page (http://www.thebigview.com/tao-te-ching/)
:)

[DrewPollock]

i agree it exists in literature, not reality. Maybe i shouldve reworded that.

[a random hack]

i agree it exists in literature, not reality. Maybe i shouldve reworded that.
so where did the writers of that literature get the idea from?

[DrewPollock]

Where do fiction writers get their ideas from? Their own imagination. Out of all of humanity, since the beginning of human writing, do you not believe there could be someone imagine such things as airplanes? Bombs?

Lets say one thousand years from now, invisibilty machines are the new thing. For the next year i write a book about invisiblity machines. Bury it.
One thousand years from now, if you were living then, you find the book, would you believe that we had invisiblity machines "back then"?

Im not saying i put my mothers life on it, but i do not believe that literature is true.
Thousands of years of writing in humanity, im thinking there could be a possibility of coincidence.