Life

[todd]

Look at the past 100 years history:
2 world wars.
hundreds of smaller wars
hundreds milions of people violently killed
bilions of people dead by famine, curable disease, extreme poverty.
Today: war, violence, manipulation, lies,
Some of us killing our time in these chat rooms searching for what?
Forgiveness? Justification of our lucky, peacefull existence? Waiting for our executioner?
Aren't we just some beasts looking in the mirror and thinking we look pretty good, intelligent, superior?
I know. It was only one Christ.

[sahyo]

todd feeling as though guilty?

[DrewPollock]

How do you know it was christ? Name something, other than words of a man, that proves the christ.

[todd]

How do you know it was christ? Name something, other than words of a man, that proves the christ.

I just said it was, I didn't say I know it was.
We are all living in an world built on postulates. An postulate cannot be demonstrated. It can be accepted or denied.
My favorite example: Euclid axiom. You accept it and you build the whole geometry on it, the one everyone can see or imagine.
You deny it and you get 2 new geometries: Riemann's and Lobachevski's. All three of them are true in their ways and absolutely logic.
So, you accept the existence of Christ, you're half Christian, you deny it and you are half Jew, you don't care and you're stupid - just kidding.

[DrewPollock]

o ok thats a good answer. im glad to see someone who likes to talk about such things as this instead of talking about irrelevant subjects, or getting off of subject into the subject of an anal circus. go to my "your favorite philosophy" topic and post on there to let me know how you feel on that. i like discussing life and philosophy

[todd]

I respect everyone's opinions, and I must say, there are members here way more educated than I am. I was really impressed about the quality of their thoughts and the way they were expressed. I have seen a lot of topics on this site, but most of them look like we are trying to avoid the challenge.
It is almost like a Philosophy class, were you are taught abut the history, evolution, trends, concepts of philosophy, but this is not a real debate.
Can we just express our thoughts about a pressing, real topic, about our inner concerns and doubts. Could we just stop being afraid? Even afraid of acting stupid... who cares if you're wrong or ridicule? You will not get replies...So what?
I am just an engineer, English is not my first language ( I know it sucks) but I am looking for a place to freely and honestly express my ideas...actually this is the first time I join an internet forum.
We are all suffering of loneliness. We need to share, to say and to receive some feedback on our thoughts..
I lived 20 years in communism and 15 years in democracy (so called) and I know free speech is a luxury in the real life. Especially in the anglo-saxon culture were everything is about appearance....

Criticize me, curse me, but be honest and speak your mind.

[sahyo]

and if respond sharing
without sharing thought opinions?

you use english very well...
couldn't feel wasn't first language

:)

[sahyo]

im glad to see someone who likes to talk about such things as this instead of talking about irrelevant subjects, or getting off of subject into the subject of an anal circus.



You've seen a herd of goats
going down to the water.

The lame and dreamy goat
brings up the rear.

There are worried faces about that one,
but now they're laughing,

because look, as they return,
that goat is leading!

There are many different kinds of knowing.
The lame goat's kind is a branch
that traces back to the roots of presence.

Learn from the lame goat,
and lead the heard home.

- Rumi

[todd]

Originally posted by asheera@Jul 2 2004, 12:35 PM

im glad to see someone who likes to talk about such things as this instead of talking about irrelevant subjects, or getting off of subject into the subject of an anal circus.



You've seen a herd of goats
going down to the water.

The lame and dreamy goat
brings up the rear.

There are worried faces about that one,
but now they're laughing,

because look, as they return,
that goat is leading!

There are many different kinds of knowing.
The lame goat's kind is a branch
that traces back to the roots of presence.


- Rumi
Learn from the lame goat,
and lead the heard home.

What is home, asheera?
Reality, faith, void, truth, Heaven?

Is the lame goat home, the herd home?
Does the herd deserve to ever get home, to exist?
Why should the lame goat care?

Or maybe she doesn't and never did, maybe It was just following her path and faith without even noticing the herd.

[sahyo]

Learn from the lame goat,
and lead the heard home.

What is home, asheera?
Reality, faith, void, truth, Heaven?

Is the lame goat home, the herd home?
Does the herd deserve to ever get home, to exist?
Why should the lame goat care?

the verse wasn't referring an imagined "where"home
and the poem wasn't referring to deserving or caring

:)

[sahyo]

todd :D

wondrous questioning dissloves questioning

[a random hack]

wondrous questioning dissloves questioning

dissOLves?

[sahyo]

:lol:
yes typo :lol:

:D

[a random hack]

ah, thanks, THOUGH so :lol: :)

[todd]

wondrous questioning dissloves questioning asheera

We used to call them improperly rhetoric questions. Sometimes the answer lies inside them or in the way they are asked.

[sahyo]

:)

looked word rhetoric up....
wasn't referring rhetroic or how ask
....if question throughly questions dissolove
most like word negating point

rhetoric not necessary

[sahyo]

ah, but you did say "improperly rhetoric" :)

oh..."Sometimes the answer lies inside them"
...the answer the question ceases the question

[todd]

todd feeling as though guilty? asheera

Definitely yes. My opinion is that we all have a huge power in our hands, but in order to make major changes we have to make sacrifices; to voluntarily sacrifice our lives for the wellness of the community. I think we all know what it is to be done, we all know what is wrong, but we are afraid for us, for our families, and sometimes we are just lazy. This why I said “It was only one Christ”.

[DoWalker]

Originally posted by todd@Jun 30 2004, 02:42 PM
Look at the past 100 years history:
Women get the right to vote
Pennicilin severely limits deaths due to infection :P
Education expands to include middle- and even lower- classes :lol:
Jazz, Blues, Rock'n'Roll
The Civil Rights movement :thumbsup:
Fewer dictatorships (monarchies) than ever before; more democracy
Ghandi :P
Earth Day
Radio, Television, and the Internet all lead to greater spread of information, which leads to greater freedom and less secrecy by governments :thumbsup:
Moon landings

I don't want to sound unrealistic. I realize that some pretty awful things have gone on in the past 100 years, but in the past, most people lived a life of higher infant mortality rates, ignorance, povery, and disease, with almost no freedom. With the notable exceptions of overpopulation, depletion of natural resources, pollution of the planet, and weapons of mass destruction, our world is better and will keep improving.

. . . and the chat room is great for an exchange of ideas. Inner peace has to be found in the real world.

[sahyo]

in order to make major changes we have to make sacrifices

what?/who? to sacrifice when loving?

[todd]

Women get the right to vote
Yeah, you have a point here, now vicente will understand what happened to his America :slap:
Pennicilin severely limits deaths due to infection
What a pity most of the bacteria developed resistance... and mutated to "retro" :scatter:
Education expands to include middle- and even lower- classes
Yep, but still absent for the upper though
Jazz, Blues, Rock'n'Roll
but somehow classic music lost the grip :dancing:
Fewer dictatorships (monarchies) than ever before; more democracy
Right, no dictators here. And only two world wars.
Radio, Television, and the Internet all lead to greater spread of information, which leads to greater freedom and less secrecy by governments yahooo!! tell this to cia.. :smash:
Moon landings
"s?"
:alien:

Just ignore me, I envy your optimism DoWalker.

[venom mama]

population control