Mars? What's Bush Concealing Now?

[vicente]

Bush's new Moon-Mars initiative is political BS,...what is he concealing? What's he up to now?

Even a mediocre space enthusiast understands that NO ONE is going into space until the radiation problem is addressed, which Space Radiologists still haven't a clue about.

The Space Station, at low Earth orbit is one thing, but the Moon, or deep space, is quite another.

There is a joke among Space Radiologists regarding space travel and Einsteins Special Relativity. Many people ignorantly think that if someone traveled in space for 10 of our years, that they would only age a year for our ten. Quite the contrary Space Radiologists say. The person in space, outside Earth atmospheres, because of the radiation, would actually gain 3 years to our one, that is, if they went into deep space at 30 years old, and returned in 10 years, they would have the body of a 60 year old. Of course, that is if they survived the radiation.

Bush is a proven liar,...he's up to something.

[rich]

Nah, not up to anything, except as self proclaiming himself as ruler of Mars . Would not lose any sleep over it, Vicente. ;)

[vicente]

It looks like a "Jessica Lynch" misdirection to me Rich,...something to divert our attention. Perhaps its just to take the focus of his lying about Iraq, and that he is directly responsible for the deaths and injuries of over 11,000 of our Amerian Soldiers.

http://www.bushin30seconds.org/view.html?i...d=04&size=small (http://www.bushin30seconds.org/view.html?id=04&size=small)

http://www.bushin30seconds.org/view.html?i...d=05&size=small (http://www.bushin30seconds.org/view.html?id=05&size=small)

http://www.bushin30seconds.org/view.html?i...d=03&size=small (http://www.bushin30seconds.org/view.html?id=03&size=small)

http://www.bushin30seconds.org/view.html?i...d=06&size=small (http://www.bushin30seconds.org/view.html?id=06&size=small)

http://www.bushin30seconds.org/view.html?i...d=09&size=small (http://www.bushin30seconds.org/view.html?id=09&size=small)

http://www.bushin30seconds.org/view.html?i...d=11&size=small (http://www.bushin30seconds.org/view.html?id=11&size=small)

http://www.bushin30seconds.org/view.html?i...d=14&size=small (http://www.bushin30seconds.org/view.html?id=14&size=small)

http://flash.bushrecall.org/

[sonrisa]

I wanna know where the billion $$ gonna come from.

just more lies.... there ain't gonna be a Manned Mars Mission


ps, here's what my homeboy Kucinich has to say about it: "I've been wondering why the pResident would, while we're still in Iraq, talk about going to the moon & going to Mars. Maybe he's looking for weapons of mass destruction still."
the original's here (http://www.kucinich.us/statements.htm) (scroll down, it's after the airlines statement) :)

[Fujoubou]

How can he get to mars if the usa never even went to the moon.

[sonrisa]

uh, Fujoubou, we went to the moon back in 1969 (http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/history/apollo/apollo11/index.html)

[Fujoubou]

Did we really went to the moon. After reading many things and looking at alot of pictures, we didn't get there.

some exemple:
some proof (http://www.moonmovie.com/15things.html)

[rich]

Originally posted by Fujoubou@Jan 17 2004, 07:04 PM
Did we really went to the moon. After reading many things and looking at alot of pictures, we didn't get there.

some exemple:
some proof (http://www.moonmovie.com/15things.html)
Dear Fujoubou,

All I know is I worked in Flight Instrumentation at Grumman Aircraft Co. from 1965 to 1968, and Grumman was the prime contractor in building the Lunar Module. I and thousands of other people received pay for our efforts in doing something constructive towards space exploration.

Are you trying to tell us that whatever we accomplished was all fantasy and make believe. You have every right to voice your opinion, but why not rersearch the intentions of those who write that type of garbage?

REALLY, what you are doing is feeding this forum some anti-US propoganda. The efforts of tens of thousands people working on LM
can not be discarded. :shakehead:

[sonrisa]

oh Fujoubou :badgrin:
that is an interesting link :badgrin:
I believe you'll find an answer to the question you posted above in reasons # 14 & 15- just substitute dubya for Nixon & Iraq for Vietnam :badgrin:

ps, Richie, did not realize you were posting as well. One of my Uncles worked on the landing gear, the "feet" of the LM, but he worked for GE.

[sonrisa]

Fujoubou, here's another link to click on (http://www.dancingbush.com) be sure to click the bottom circle on the left. :badgrin:

[sahyo]

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[Fujoubou]

Hehehehe funny :D

[a random hack]

is probably concealing his paranoia :)

[Fujoubou]

what you are doing is feeding this forum some anti-US propoganda

I have nothing againts US my friends. I would have said the same thing if it was the Russian that went up there first.

Why did I think we didn't went to the moon. Well after reading dam lots of article about that conspiracy, there so many proof that make me esitating on beliving or not. They found a studio in the desert in the early 70. Studio was same look as what we saw from the video of the moon trip. All the picture that has bad shadowing or flaw in them, like one of the picture has a photographer with a spot beside him. there is also the radiation question. Why radiation, well astraunaut didn't even get close the radiation they would have had if they were really went to the moon. Other question people are talking about is the gravity, the wind and many other things.

Point is, did we get to the moon or not. Where are the real proof that we did. Yes i belive we went cause I see all those video on TV but there also those proof that can tell us otherwise. So what to belive.

I guess we will find it out soon sinse an other country will go to the moon soon "China".

Some other links :
Conspiracy Theory: Did We Go to the Moon? (http://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/PSEUDOSC/ConspiracyTheoryDidWeGototheMoon.htm)
The Great Moon (http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2001/ast23feb_2.htm)
Were the 1969 moon landings faked? (http://www.geocities.com/Area51/3543/moonfake.htm)

P.-S.: I am not doin anti-us propaganda, just trying to find the truth.

[sonrisa]

Fujoubou, I am a little confused- if you are arguing that there was no lunar landing then why did you include a NASA link in your post above? Of couse NASA's gonna tell you they put men on the moon. I thought you were arguing otherwise.

[rich]

s0nrisa posted:osted on Jan 24 2004, 07:49 AM
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Fujoubou, I am a little confused- if you are arguing that there was no lunar landing then why did you include a NASA link in your post above? Of couse NASA's gonna tell you they put men on the moon. I thought you were arguing otherwise.


sonrisa, I am a little confused: What are you arguing for? Does your uncle think that the mission was phony? :blink: Do not think that any who worked on LM would think that way? No reason to discredit the space program, just because one does not like George Bush. Lots of spinoff products will come through the trying to accomplish the feat of A Mars Exploration.
:unsure: :hahaha: :ph34r: :thumbsup:

[sonrisa]

Originally posted by rich@Jan 24 2004, 01:41 AM

sonrisa,* I am a little confused: What are you arguing for? Does your uncle think that the mission was phony?*
Nope & neither do I. But Fujoubou does. I'm just curious why he would post a link to a site that does not support the case he is apparantly trying to make.

As for dubya, I agree with Vicente. The supposed Mars Mission is alot of bs. dubya needs something to jack his numbers up & he thought pulling a John Kennedy would do the trick. Except it didn't. Went over with Congress like a lead balloon, as a matter of fact. Even if Congress did go for it, nothing would come from it becuz all dubya wants is a quick numbers fix. Anyhow Mars has no oil.

[Pamela Canaday]

I think The Shrub is full of beans.
But I would love to see humans go to another planet.

The very idea of space travel fills me with such delight. I would gladly age a hundred years in order to experience one hour on another planet. It's a fairly safe thing to say since I'll probably never leave but my heart yearns for it in a way I can't describe.

Bush talking about it makes a mockery of it though. It's like watching a slug talk about spinning a web.

Re: Moon landing real or fake?
I had a buddy in the airforce who worked for NASA. He got stuck cleaning some old rooms and came across some prints of the moon landing. None of the famous photos were among them but there were some pretty shots of the horizon. I don't know why they would have made a bunch of fake shots of the moon's horizon if they were just going to stuff them in a filing cabinet and forget them for 30 years.
While we're at it…
What would the motivation be behind staging a moon landing?

[sonrisa]

Hi Pamela :) re: the motivation for staging a moon landing- go click on Fujoubou's "some proof" link & check out reasons 14 & 15. Like I told him, substitute dubya for Nixon & Iraq for Vietnam. Or the economy. Or healthcare, the gutting of the Constitution, whatever.
That said, a fake moon landing would be an elaborate (read, expensive) hoax. Why blow all that $ on a hoax? Just go ahead & do it! (And I say they did!) Instead of faking it, it's easier to just blow alot of smoke like dubya's doing now & then abandon the idea before any real $ gets sunk into it.
Too bad, cuz like you, I'd like to see humans go to another planet too.

[sonrisa]

This makes you wonder what else the bushits are concealing. Helen Thomas may be a little old lady, but does she ever ROCK!!

To February 13, 2004 -- 11:28 AM EDT

Scott McClellan seems intent on saying that a dental exam the president
had at Dannelly Alabama Air National Guard base in January 1973 proves
he fulfilled his Guard duty that year in Alabama.

That, of course, and the ambiguous pay stubs -- a number of which seem
to show he was in Texas.

This is, of course, all in addition to the fact that the president has
gone back on his promise to just make this whole thing easy and release
all his military service records -- something he, through his aides, now
refuses to do.

But look at this testy exchange this morning about whether the president
was required to perform community service during the time he was in the
Guard ...

Q ( aka Helen Thomas) : Did the President ever have to take time off from Guard duty to do
community service?

Scott McClellan: To do community service? I haven't looked into
everything he did 30 years ago, Helen. Obviously, there is different
community service he has performed in the past, including going back to
that time period --

Q: Can you find out if he actually had --

Scott McClellan: Helen, I don't think we remember every single activity
he was involved in 30 years ago.

Q: No, this isn't an activity. Was he forced to do community service at
any time while he was on --

Scott McClellan: What's your interest in that question? I'm sorry, I
just --

Q: Lots of rumors. I'm just trying to clear up something.

Scott McClellan: Rumors about what?

Q: Pardon?

Scott McClellan: Rumors about what?

Q: About the President having to do community service while he was in
the National Guard, take time out for that.

Scott McClellan: I'm not aware of those rumors. But if you want to --

Q: Could you look it up? Would you mind asking him?

Scott McClellan: That's why I'm asking what's your interest in that? I
just don't understand your interest in that.

Q: It's what everybody is interested in, whether we're getting the true
story on his Guard duty.

Scott McClellan: Well, you have the documents that show the facts.

Q: I'm asking you to try to find out from the President of the United
States.

Scott McClellan: Like I said, it's well known the different jobs he had
and what he was doing previously, that we know. That goes back to --

Q: I didn't say "previously." I said, while he was on Guard duty.

Scott McClellan: But you're asking me about 30 years ago. I don't think
there's a recollection of everything he was doing 30 years ago.

Q: Well, he would know if he had to take time out.

Scott McClellan: Again, I mean, the issue that was raised was whether or
not the President was serving while he was in Alabama. Documents reflect
that he
was --

Q: Well, this is another issue.

Scott McClellan: -- hold on -- that he was serving in Alabama. That was
the issue that was raised. We went through, four years ago, other issues
related to this.

Q: So you won't answer the question or you won't try to find out?

Scott McClellan: Well, I'm asking you, what's your interest in that
question? I'm just curious, because rumors --

Q: Did he have to do any community service while he was in the National
Guard?

Scott McClellan: Look, Helen, I think the issue here was whether or not
the President served in Alabama. Records have documented --

Q: I'm asking you a different question. That's permissible.

Scott McClellan: Can I answer your question? Sure it is. Can I ask you
why you're asking it? I'm just -- out of curiosity myself, is that
permissible?

Q: Well, I'm interested, of course, in what everybody is interested in.
And we have a very --

Scott McClellan: Let me just point out that we've released all the
information we have related to this issue, the issue of whether or not
he served while in Alabama. Records have documented as false the
outrageous --

Q: I asked you whether he had to do any community service while he was
in the National Guard.

Scott McClellan: Can I walk through this?

Q: It's a very legitimate question.

Scott McClellan: And I want to back up and walk through this a little
bit. Let's talk about the issue that came up, because this issue came up
four years ago, it came up four years before that -- or two years before
that, it came up four years before that --

Q: Did my question come up four years ago, and was it handled?

Scott McClellan: Helen, if you'll let me finish, I want to back up and
talk about this --

Q: Don't dance around, just give us --

Q: It's a straightforward question.

Q: Let's not put too fine a point on it. If I'm not mistaken, you're
implying that he had to do community service for criminal action, as a
punishment for some crime?

Q: There are rumors around, and I didn't put it in that way. I just --

Q: Could you take that question? I guess apparently that's the question,
that he had to take time out to perform community service --

Scott McClellan: That's why I wanted to get to this because --

Q: -- as a sentence for a crime.

Scott McClellan: No, that's why I wanted to get to this because I want
to step back for a second. I want to go back through a few things. Look,
the -- I think we've really exhausted the issue that came up. The issue
that came up was related to whether or not he had served while he was in
Alabama. Records have documented as false the outrageous, baseless
accusation that he did not serve while in Alabama. The conspiracy theory
of one individual, that the National Guard cleansed documents, has been
discredited.

Q: How so?

Scott McClellan: Read The Boston Globe today.

Q: Well, we want answers from you, not --

Scott McClellan: Read the Boston Globe. No, the answers are from the
people that would have knowledge of that. But read --

Q: Why do you think this person made those allegations?

Scott McClellan: Hang on, hang on.

Q: What? Just read The Boston Globe --

Scott McClellan: Just read The Boston Globe. Read The Boston Globe. I
would draw your attention to that. What I think we're seeing now is just
politics. And we're not going to engage in it, because there are great
challenges facing our nation, and there should be an honest discussion
of the actions the President is taking to make our world safer and
better and make America more prosperous and secure.

You want me to go --

Q: -- the personal record of a President is --

Scott McClellan: No, hang on, Helen, hang on. I've said from this
podium, if we have new information that

[sonrisa]

This makes you wonder what else the bushits are concealing. Helen Thomas may be a little old lady, but does she ever ROCK!!

To February 13, 2004 -- 11:28 AM EDT

Scott McClellan seems intent on saying that a dental exam the president had at Dannelly Alabama Air National Guard base in January 1973 proves he fulfilled his Guard duty that year in Alabama.

That, of course, and the ambiguous pay stubs -- a number of which seem to show he was in Texas.

This is, of course, all in addition to the fact that the president has
gone back on his promise to just make this whole thing easy and release all his military service records -- something he, through his aides, now refuses to do.

But look at this testy exchange this morning about whether the president was required to perform community service during the time he was in the Guard ...

Q ( aka Helen Thomas) : Did the President ever have to take time off from Guard duty to do community service?

Scott McClellan: To do community service? I haven't looked into
everything he did 30 years ago, Helen. Obviously, there is different
community service he has performed in the past, including going back to that time period --

Q: Can you find out if he actually had --

Scott McClellan: Helen, I don't think we remember every single activity he was involved in 30 years ago.

Q: No, this isn't an activity. Was he forced to do community service at any time while he was on --

Scott McClellan: What's your interest in that question? I'm sorry, I
just --

Q: Lots of rumors. I'm just trying to clear up something.

Scott McClellan: Rumors about what?

Q: Pardon?

Scott McClellan: Rumors about what?

Q: About the President having to do community service while he was in the National Guard, take time out for that.

Scott McClellan: I'm not aware of those rumors. But if you want to --

Q: Could you look it up? Would you mind asking him?

Scott McClellan: That's why I'm asking what's your interest in that? I
just don't understand your interest in that.

Q: It's what everybody is interested in, whether we're getting the true story on his Guard duty.

Scott McClellan: Well, you have the documents that show the facts.

Q: I'm asking you to try to find out from the President of the United
States.

Scott McClellan: Like I said, it's well known the different jobs he had
and what he was doing previously, that we know. That goes back to --

Q: I didn't say "previously." I said, while he was on Guard duty.

Scott McClellan: But you're asking me about 30 years ago. I don't think there's a recollection of everything he was doing 30 years ago.

Q: Well, he would know if he had to take time out.

Scott McClellan: Again, I mean, the issue that was raised was whether or not the President was serving while he was in Alabama. Documents reflect that he was --

Q: Well, this is another issue.

Scott McClellan: -- hold on -- that he was serving in Alabama. That was the issue that was raised. We went through, four years ago, other issues related to this.

Q: So you won't answer the question or you won't try to find out?

Scott McClellan: Well, I'm asking you, what's your interest in that
question? I'm just curious, because rumors --

Q: Did he have to do any community service while he was in the National Guard?

Scott McClellan: Look, Helen, I think the issue here was whether or not the President served in Alabama. Records have documented --

Q: I'm asking you a different question. That's permissible.

Scott McClellan: Can I answer your question? Sure it is. Can I ask you why you're asking it? I'm just -- out of curiosity myself, is that
permissible?

Q: Well, I'm interested, of course, in what everybody is interested in. And we have a very --

Scott McClellan: Let me just point out that we've released all the
information we have related to this issue, the issue of whether or not he served while in Alabama. Records have documented as false the outrageous --

Q: I asked you whether he had to do any community service while he was in the National Guard.

Scott McClellan: Can I walk through this?

Q: It's a very legitimate question.

Scott McClellan: And I want to back up and walk through this a little
bit. Let's talk about the issue that came up, because this issue came up four years ago, it came up four years before that -- or two years before that, it came up four years before that --

Q: Did my question come up four years ago, and was it handled?

Scott McClellan: Helen, if you'll let me finish, I want to back up and
talk about this --

Q: Don't dance around, just give us --

Q: It's a straightforward question.

Q: Let's not put too fine a point on it. If I'm not mistaken, you're
implying that he had to do community service for criminal action, as a punishment for some crime?

Q: There are rumors around, and I didn't put it in that way. I just --

Q: Could you take that question? I guess apparently that's the question, that he had to take time out to perform community service --

Scott McClellan: That's why I wanted to get to this because --

Q: -- as a sentence for a crime.

Scott McClellan: No, that's why I wanted to get to this because I want to step back for a second. I want to go back through a few things. Look, the -- I think we've really exhausted the issue that came up. The issue that came up was related to whether or not he had served while he was in Alabama. Records have documented as false the outrageous, baseless accusation that he did not serve while in Alabama. The conspiracy theory of one individual, that the National Guard cleansed documents, has been discredited.

Q: How so?

Scott McClellan: Read The Boston Globe today.

Q: Well, we want answers from you, not --

Scott McClellan: Read the Boston Globe. No, the answers are from the people that would have knowledge of that. But read --

Q: Why do you think this person made those allegations?

Scott McClellan: Hang on, hang on.

Q: What? Just read The Boston Globe --

Scott McClellan: Just read The Boston Globe. Read The Boston Globe. I would draw your attention to that. What I think we're seeing now is just politics. And we're not going to engage in it, because there are great challenges facing our nation, and there should be an honest discussion of the actions the President is taking to make our world safer and better and make America more prosperous and secure.

You want me to go --

Q: -- the personal record of a President is --

Scott McClellan: No, hang on, Helen, hang on. I've said from this
podium, if we have new information that comes to our attention that relates to this issue, we have made it clear we will share that
information. You're asking me to go and chase rumors. There was a
conspiracy theory --

Q: I think --

Scott McClellan: Hold on, hold on, Helen. There was a conspiracy theory made by one individual, when everybody he accused of being involved in that said, it's ridiculous, didn't happen.

Q: This is not based on a conspiracy theory.

Scott McClellan: And there was a lot of attention given to this
individual, and he's been discredited. There's a Boston Globe article on it this morning. And there are some --

Q: That says what? Your point --

Scott McClellan: You can go read it. I mean, we've got other things to move on to. I mean, you can go read it. But there are some,
unfortunately, who simply are not interested in the facts. Again, the
documents -- the records document that he did serve while in Alabama. And now there are people that are bringing up issues that were addressed four years ago.

Q: But you still haven't answered Helen's question. She asked you a
simple question.

Scott McClellan: There are people that want to replay the 2000 campaign all over again, Bill, and --

Q: You still haven't answered her question about community service.

Scott McClellan: -- there are too many important -- there are too many important policies and decisions that are being made that we need to discuss.

Q: Why does a "yes" or "no" elude you on this?

Scott McClellan: I didn't say that. I said that these were all issues
addressed four years ago. If there's additional information --

Q: This issue quite obviously wasn't addressed four years ago.

Scott McClellan: Oh, issues -- these issues were addressed four years
ago.

Q: This issue was? The community service issue was addressed four years ago?

Scott McClellan: The issues -- the issues that we're going to here --

Q: I don't recall --

Scott McClellan: This is called chasing a rumor. And I'm not going to
engage in this kind of politics, Bill.

Q: -- finding out whether a rumor is true or false.

Scott McClellan: No, this issue, absolutely --

Q: Why can't you say whether or not he performed community service?

Scott McClellan: Absolutely, this issue came up four years ago. And if you all want to play politics, then go call the RNC, call the campaign.

Q: The best defense is offense. We know that. Just, all you've got to
say is you don't know.

Scott McClellan: Helen, it was -- this issue was addressed four years
ago. I think people that were involved in the campaign will know --

Q: -- if they know --

Scott McClellan: -- that the issue that you're trying to bring up was
addressed four years ago. It's about chasing rumors.

Q: It isn't a question of four years ago. The issue has come up now,
very large.

Scott McClellan: I'm not going to get into chasing rumors.

Q: Headlines.

Scott McClellan: I'm not going to get into chasing rumors.

Q: So you refuse to answer the question?

Scott McClellan: You're saying that people said he was forced to do
something, and you're asking me to chase a rumor.

Q: Everything is politics today, of course.

Q: She asked you a "yes" or "no" question.

Scott McClellan: Look, if you all want to -- this is just politics.
That's what this is. And if there's any more information I have to share with you all, I will always -- I will do that.

Q: Scott, I have a question of this individual, and I confess, I haven't
read the Boston article. But who -- what do you believe was this
person's motivation, that if they have been discredited, for making
these allegations?

Scott McClellan: Just -- I would read The Boston Globe. Everybody that he accused of being involved in this has said it was totally ridiculous. And there are others that --

Q: So are you saying -- was it politically motivated?

Scott McClellan: There are others that are quoted in The Boston Globe today, that you might want to see what they said.

Q: Speaking of politics, has the President authorized his campaign --

Scott McClellan: And we've got to --

Q: -- to release a video attacking Senator Kerry?

Scott McClellan: You need to talk -- you need to talk to the campaign. But let me go to the week ahead because we've used up more than 15 minutes.

Q: So the President did authorize --

Q: Scott, I've got --

Scott McClellan: I'm going to go to the week ahead.

========================





Houston, do we have a problem?

[sonrisa]

Maybe this is why the Bushits want to go to the moon.......

REUTERS


Published: January 18, 2004

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Bush's plan to expand the exploration of space parallels U.S. efforts to control the heavens for military, economic and strategic gain.

Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld long has pushed for technology that could be used to attack or defend orbiting satellites as well as a costly program, heavily reliant on space-based sensors, to thwart incoming warheads.

Under a 1996 space policy adopted by then-President Bill Clinton that remains in effect, the United States is committed to the exploration and use of outer space ``by all nations for peaceful purposes for the benefit of all humanity.''

``Peaceful purposes allow defense and intelligence-related activities in pursuit of national security and other goals,'' according to this policy. ``Consistent with treaty obligations, the United States will develop, operate and maintain space control capabilities to ensure freedom of action in space, and if directed, deny such freedom of action to adversaries.''

No country depends on space and satellites as its eyes and ears more than the United States, which accounted for as much as 95 percent of global military space spending in 1999, according to the French space agency CNES.

``Yet the threat to the U.S. and its allies in and from space does not command the attention it merits from the departments and agencies of the U.S. government charged with national security responsibilities,'' a congressionally chartered task force headed by Rumsfeld reported 10 days before Bush and he took office in 2001.

Theresa Hitchens of the private Center for Defense Information said the capabilities to conduct space warfare would move out of the realm of science fiction and into reality over the next 20 years or so.

``At the end of the day it will be political choices by governments, not technology, that determines if the nearly 50- year taboo against arming the heavens remains in place,'' she concluded in a recent study.

Outlining his election-year vision for space exploration last week, Bush called for a permanent base on the moon by 2020 as a launch pad for piloted missions to Mars and beyond.

One unspoken motivation may have been China's milestone launch in October of its first piloted spaceflight in earth orbit and its announced plan to go to the moon.

``I think the new initiative is driven by a desire to beat the Chinese to the moon,'' said John Pike, director of GlobalSecurity.org, a defense and space policy research group.

Among companies that could cash in on Bush's space plans are Lockheed Martin Corp., Boeing Co. and Northrop Grumman Corp., which do big business with the National Aeronautics and Space Administration as well as with the Pentagon.

The moon, scientists have said, is a source of potentially unlimited energy in the form of the helium 3 isotope -- a near perfect fuel source: potent, nonpolluting and causing virtually no radioactive byproduct in a fusion reactor.

``And if we could get a monopoly on that, we wouldn't have to worry about the Saudis and we could basically tell everybody what the price of energy was going to be,'' said Pike.

Gerald Kulcinski of the Fusion Technology Institute at the University of Wisconsin at Madison estimated the moon's helium 3 would have a cash value of perhaps $4 billion a ton in terms of its energy equivalent in oil.

Scientists reckon there are about 1 million tons of helium 3 on the moon, enough to power the earth for thousands of years. The equivalent of a single space shuttle load or roughly 30 tons could meet all U.S. electric power needs for a year, Kulcinski said by e-mail.

Bush's schedule for a U.S. return to the moon matches what experts say may be a dramatic militarization of space over the next two decades, even if the current ban on weapons holds.

Among other things, the Pentagon expects to spend at least $50 billion over the next five years to develop and field a multi-layered shield against incoming missiles that could deliver nuclear, biological or chemical weapons.

Ultimately, this shield -- first proposed by President Ronald Reagan and dubbed ``Star Wars'' by critics -- may include space-based interceptors, the first weapons in space, as opposed to sensors that guide weapons.

Last year, the Pentagon's Missile Defense Agency obtained $14 million for research on basing three or more missile interceptors in space by the end of the decade for tests.

The plan would field satellites armed with multiple ``hit-to-kill'' interceptors capable of destroying a ballistic missile through a high-speed collision shortly after its launch, according to Wade Boese, research director of the private Arms Control Association. Such a system could also function as an anti-satellite weapon.

No decision has been made yet to deploy space-based interceptors as part of the U.S. missile defense program ``although we are conducting research and development activities in that area,'' a Defense Department official said Friday.

Global Network Against Weapons & Nuclear Power in Space
PO Box 652
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(207) 729-0517

[sonrisa]

…Back on earth, the cosmos are drawing us forth. Even George Bush. He recently announced plans to have a man on Mars by 2025, and he has a head start. Thanks to the so-called Patriot Act, he can have someone on Uranus by the end of the week…

[NeverMind]

Aliens are landing in my backyard as we speak!
The CIA is already here trying to cover it up!
Here they come!
(scuffle scuffle) "OW!" (man whips out tazer) "Zzzap!" (beating ensues)
Tell the world my story!

And that is why Bush wants to go to Mars. Cuz he knows they've already made it here. In my yard. They were fuzzy and fat. With Elephant heads.

P.S. This was sarcasm for all you stupid/paranoid people/republican.
CRACKO IS WHACKO!

:alien: :silent: :help:

[sonrisa]

aw Nevermind, just when I was starting to sorta like you, you go & insult everybody here by calling us all repugs :shakehead:

ps were u doing crack when u posted that? U can be excused if u were higher than a kite at the time. :D

[NeverMind]

I apologize, I didn't mean to say YOU were republicans. But there are paranoid republicans out THERE! I'm sorry for the misunderstanding.

P.S. (just a little)

[pnklphnts]

I think we, as a forum, need to have an intervension on Neverminds behafe. Please, we all are friends here, this is a safe place. We need you to stop the drug habibt, its hurting us all.

[NeverMind]

I dance, I dance, I dance and prance and dream a dream!

Come
Come with me
Bring your gun
And be free
We will dance
and we’ll shoot
Anything
that can move
We will never give in
We will put up a fight
We will never get bored
Its our god-given right

So kill men kill
Keep your hands on your weapon
Kill men kill
Its your duty to your family

I can shoot straight
I can shoot fast
Better watch your step
Or I’ll shoot you in the ass

[sonrisa]

nice poem, just don't shoot yourself in the foot! :D

apology accepted, btw
repugs do tend to be be paranoid, don't they? probably smoking too much reefer :)

[NeverMind]

They're paranoid cuz they have guns and they enslaved all the black people back in the day!

You gotta watch The history of the gun from Bowling for Columbine. It explains EVERYTHING!

:ph34r:

[Socratease]

:thumbsup: Rich
[QUOTE] Lots of spinoff products will come through the trying to accomplish the feat of A Mars Exploration.
I agree completely

I can't wait for a new flavor of freeze dried icecream.......mmmmm.....such a glorious contribution.....

how is Bush going to ever enjoy watching astronauts go to mars in 2025 if he is planning to get "Rapture"ed up before 2012?

But really, if it was so easy to go to the moon in '69 why haven't there been many more advanced explorations there since?

[sonrisa]

hi Socratease, & welcome to TBV. I've seen those packets of freeze-dried ice cream, they look sort of nasty. Are you saying you've actually eaten them? :)

on raptures--

>Subject: does this qualify for a Darwin Award?

>ARKANSAS CITY (EAP) -- A Little Rock woman was killed yesterday after leaping through her moving car's sun roof during an incident best described as "a mistaken rapture" by dozens of eye witnesses.

>Thirteen other people were injured after a twenty-car pile up resulted from people trying to avoid hitting the woman who was apparently convinced that the rapture was occurring when she saw twelve people floating up into the air,and then passed a man on the side of the road who she claimed was Jesus.
> >
>"She started screaming "He's back, He's back" and climbed right out of the sunroof and jumped off the roof of the car," said Everet Williams, husband of 28-year-old Georgann Williams who was pronounced dead at the scene.
> >
> >"I was slowing down but she wouldn't wait till I stopped," Williams said.
> >
>She thought the rapture was happening and was convinced that Jesus was gonna lift her up into the sky," he went on to say.
> >
>"This is the strangest thing I've seen since I've been on the force," said Paul Madison, first officer on the scene.
> >
>Madison questioned the man who looked like Jesus and discovered that he was dressed up as Jesus and was on his way to a toga costume party when the tarp covering the bed of his pickup truck came loose and released twelve blow-up sex dolls filled with helium which floated up into the air.
> >
>Ernie Jenkins, 32, of Fort Smith, who's been told by several of his friends that he looks like Jesus, pulled over and lifted his arms into the air in frustration, and said "Come back here," just as the Williams' car passed him, and Mrs. Williams was sure that it was Jesus lifting people up into the sky as they passed by him, according to her husband, who says his wife loved Jesus more than anything else.
> >
>When asked for comments about the twelve sex dolls, Jenkins replied "This is all just too weird for me. I never expected anything like this to happen."

[a random hack]

:o :lol:

[sonrisa]

:D

I figured you'd like that one!

[a random hack]

:thumbsup:
posted it in yahoo's buddhist chat,,,
was asked if was 'real'? :lol: :examine: :dunno: :dancing:

[sonrisa]

ya know, that's a good question. Somebody sent it to me a while back. I was laughing to hard to really notice then. AP is Associated Press, but when I did a search for an EAP news, I got back alot of stuff about employee assistance programs. I just searched the Little Rock & Ft Smith papers for articles about raptures & blow-up dolls & came up with zip, so maybe it is faked. (shrug)

[a random hack]

<shrug> :lol:

zip reminds me.......

Man blown up showing off grenade
From correspondents in Port Moresby, Papua New Guinea


A MAN was killed when a hand grenade he was showing to a friend exploded outside a restaurant in Papua New Guinea's capital, police said today.

His friend was critically injured in the blast, police said.

Webster Mark, in his mid-20s, died instantly when the grenade exploded outside the Yumi Yet restaurant on Wednesday, Port Moresby Police Commander Tony Wagambie said.

Mark was reportedly attempting to pull the grenade out of his trousers when the pin became caught on his zipper.

"It was a very stupid thing to do," Wagambie said.

Mark's friend, who was not named, was rushed to Port Moresby General Hospital in critical condition.

A proliferation of illegal weapons in the Pacific nation of 5 million is regarded as a major contributor to a breakdown of law and order.

Australia is negotiating with Papua New Guinea officials on a 800 million Australian dollar (US$585 million) plan, announced in December, for Australia to send 300 police and civil servants to help stem its neighbour's escalating crime and corruption.

Australia administered Papua New Guinea, formerly run by Germany, from 1915 until its independence in 1975.

AAP

[sonrisa]

so iz it true or not?

[a random hack]

<shrug>

well, AAP says it's true.... <_<
:lol:

[NeverMind]

Freeze-dried ice cream is the shizznit. It tastes like the marshmallows in Lucky Charms if you eat them without milk. So much sugar! WHEEEEEEE!

[sonrisa]

NM's on a sugar high :blink:

[NeverMind]

AMERICAN HISTORY X
(thats all I have to say)