Gamble

[sahyo]

Rumi



If you want what visible reality
can give, you're an employee.

If you want the unseen world,
you're not living your truth.

Both wishes are foolish,
but you'll be forgiven for forgetting
that what you really want is
love's confusing joy.

.................~

Gamble everything for love,
if you're a true human being.

If not, leave
this gathering.

Half-heartedness doesn't reach
into majesty. You set out
to find God, but then you keep
stopping for long periods
at mean-spirited roadhouses.

[sahyo]

Sahajo



Those gone mad in love,
All life is transformed for them.
Sahajo says: They don't see
Who is a beggar or a king.

Those gone mad in love,
Cast and color have disappeared for them.
Sahajo says: The world calls them crazy,
And everyone near runs off.

Those gone mad in love,
Sahajo says: Their bodies waver
And their feet stagger out of control -
Then the divine takes care.

The mind is blissful,
The body is drunk with ecstasy.
Sahajo is with no one,
No one is with Sahajo

[rich]

Warning To Men: ;)

For Women Only! Men Keep Out! :lol:

http://www.geocities.com/osholeela/woman.html

[DavidS]

Originally posted by asheera@Dec 2 2003, 06:20 PM
Gamble everything for love,
if you're a true human being.
Ah, yes, assuming you have a reasonable notion of what 'love' really is and are prepared to revise your notions based on the 'results' of such 'gambling'. Unless s/he 'develops wisdom in this regard, the 'gambler' will just continue to inhabit the domain of 'loss'.

Yes, there are people who 'lose out' because they 'compulsively' or 'obstinately' look for a 'sure' bet, but on the other hand there are people who 'lose out' because they don't clearly 'see' what's really 'the case' at all. In the latter regard, what comes to mind is the saying, attiributed to Mohammed, "Have faith in God, but tie your camel!"

Also coming to mind is the memory I have of my 'loving' step-daughter when she was young, who, 'knowing' I 'loved' her, felt quite free to 'borrow' my socks from my drawer, figuring and saying to me that hers were all dirty and that she would wash and replace the one's she borrowed the next time she did the laundry, and really meaning to at the time she said so. I didn't let my 'gambling' for love impulse guide me into agreeing/settling for such an understanding/arrangement between us, however, not for long that is! :lol:

That's the sort of reason why 'communes' whose members are all would be hippie-mystics don't last, at least not peacefully/harmoniously for very long. I wouldn't, for instance, 'take my chances' living with someone who talk-speak-comes across like you, at least not without carefully ex·peer·ientially 'testing' such a venture's viability for this kind of 'reason', asheera. As with the case of my 'la-la loving' (back then) step-daughter, the 'relational' interaction would not be mutually salutary.

I is slowly (it's taken me a loong time to come to my 'senses', as far as I have that is, in this regard) becoming a 'wise' 'gambler'. :lol:

[sahyo]

Ah, yes, assuming you have a reasonable notion of what 'love' really is and are prepared to revise your notions based on the 'results' of such 'gambling'. Unless s/he 'develops wisdom in this regard, the 'gambler' will just continue to inhabit the domain of 'loss'.

cannot say'define' loving....loving not think"results", not think"gambling", unless thinks'imagining'can

"loss"?

Yes, there are people who 'lose out' because they 'compulsively' or 'obstinately' look for a 'sure' bet

yes most people desire"sure"

but on the other hand there are people who 'lose out' because they don't clearly 'see' what's really 'the case' at all. In the latter regard, what comes to mind is the saying, attiributed to Mohammed, "Have faith in God, but tie your camel!"

"tie your camel" not mean 'trying' causious'hesitating'

Also coming to mind is the memory I have of my 'loving' step-daughter when she was young, who, 'knowing' I 'loved' her, felt quite free to 'borrow' my socks from my drawer, figuring and saying to me that hers were all dirty and that she would wash and replace the one's she borrowed the next time she did the laundry, and really meaning to at the time she said so.

:D

I didn't let my 'gambling' for love impulse guide me into agreeing/settling for such an understanding/arrangement between us, however, not for long that is!

loving can "agree" or disagree, though not as if reacting, unless thinking'reacting'

That's the sort of reason why 'communes' whose members are all would be hippie-mystics don't last, at least not peacefully/harmoniously for very long.

people cannot "peacefully" when thinking'who'mine

I wouldn't, for instance, 'take my chances' living with someone who talk-speak-comes across like you, at least not without carefully ex·peer·ientially 'testing' such a venture's viability for this kind of 'reason', asheera.

"carefully ex·peer·ientially 'testing'"?

does rivering question rivering unless thinks?

I is slowly (it's taken me a loong time to come to my 'senses', as far as I have that is, in this regard) becoming a 'wise' 'gambler'.

does oceaning hesitate oceaning, unless thinks?



when bodyinglittlechilding didn't learn speaking like most people....didn't hear sounds ordering like people ordered....when lookingmind, learned ordering sounds to match ordering people spoke, but still didn't ordering for speaking, so then was learning ordering for speaking....

didn't desire speaking, so didn't start speaking til mother refused to respond if pointed instead speaking....even then, would point since word not say....

wasn't assisting for learning hearing and speaking accept mother and brother much repeating word....would veryverytire quickly so much concentrating, and happened rebelling if they kept insisting trying saying when sotired

teachers couldn't teach reading many words since didn't know which was needed....was after schooling learned without assistance

posted tbv, when you weren't posting yet, that not think updownleftright....not think distancenotdistance

doesn't happen easily reading, wording for writing, and using hands order for typing and clicking screen, concentrating so intense sometimes littlebit shaking happens....

which not need much concentrating most people reading, writing, and typing, happens needs veryverymuch, so now happens condensed writing which wasn't happening when first posting forums

also not 'rules' wording, so not happen wording 'rules'

not think words can say when words cannot

:)

[sahyo]

still editing, hehe

[a random hack]

does rivering question rivering unless thinks?

"I is slowly (it's taken me a loong time to come to my 'senses', as far as I have that is, in this regard) becoming a 'wise' 'gambler'. "

does oceaning hesitate oceaning, unless thinks?

does river fear rivering, or ocean fear oceaning ? ;) :)

[DavidS]

asheera: "tie your camel" not mean 'trying' causious'hesitating'

Right on . . . !
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David before: That's the sort of reason why 'communes' whose members are all would be hippie-mystics don't last, at least not peacefully/harmoniously for very long.

asheera: people cannot "peacefully" when thinking'who'mine

David now: Yes; but I think this comment 'overlooks' my 'point' which was that 'hippie-mystics' often (generally?) think not-'who'/not-'mine', "just 'love' the one you're with," etc. on a superficial-conscious level, but are unconsciously (thoughtlessly :) ) quite selfish and inconsiderate (another 'kind' of thoughtlessness) and careless (yet another 'kind' of thoughtlessness) in relation to others, like my step-daughter was when she was ignore·ant and un·response·able [she no longer is 'such' by the way; she is a very functionally 'loving' adult now; also, by the way, since you responded with "adult?" when I used the word a while ago saying that I was holding you 'accountable' as an 'adult', this gives you a 'clue' to what I mean by the word: response·able, functionally related to others in a thoughtful, considerate, caring way, etc.]
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David before: I wouldn't, for instance, 'take my chances' living with someone who talk-speak-comes across like you, at least not without carefully ex·peer·ientially 'testing' such a venture's viability for this kind of 'reason', asheera.

asheera: "carefully ex·peer·ientially 'testing'"?

David now: Yes. An example of this would be what I have been 'conversationally' doing with you. So far, OK (checkmark) 'level' hasn't been reached at least nowhere near consistently, BUT there (now) sure ;) are some very 'promising' 'signs' in this regard. :)
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David before: I is slowly becoming a 'wise' 'gambler' (it's taken me a loong time to come to my 'senses', as far as I have that is, in this regard).

asheera: when bodyinglittlechilding didn't learn speaking like most people....didn't hear sounds ordering like people ordered....when lookingmind, learned ordering sounds to match ordering people spoke, but still didn't ordering for speaking, so then was learning ordering for speaking....

didn't desire speaking, so didn't start speaking til mother refused to respond if pointed instead speaking....even then, would point since word not say....

wasn't assisting for learning hearing and speaking accept mother and brother much repeating word....would veryverytire quickly so much concentrating, and happened rebelling if they kept insisting trying saying when sotired

teachers couldn't teach reading many words since didn't know which was needed....was after schooling learned without assistance

posted tbv, when you weren't posting yet, that not think updownleftright....not think distancenotdistance

doesn't happen easily reading, wording for writing, and using hands order for typing and clicking screen, concentrating so intense sometimes littlebit shaking happens....

which not need much concentrating most people reading, writing, and typing, happens needs veryverymuch, so now happens condensed writing which wasn't happening when first posting forums

also not 'rules' wording, so not happen wording 'rules'

not think words can say when words cannot

David now: Thank you very much for (and I mean that I am very appreciative of) your 'explanation'. Super A-OK for someone with your ex·peer·iential conditioning. I 'promise' you (based on my ex·peer·ience as both a life-sport 'player' and life-sport 'coach) that your stamina will increase if and as you continue to exercise the 'concentration' necessary for (mutually) meaningful, verbal communication. I am glad to 'see' that your 'rebelling happening' reflex is 'thawing'.

Yes, I totally agree with you, asheera, that 'words' cannot and do not even come close to saying what's really what, and that there are many liabilities which attend their (unskillful, unadept) 'use' (both in terms of 'transmission'-expression and 'reception'-interpretation), BUT as in the case of what you said above, and I hope you can see that I am 'right' on this score, they sure can say-convey a 'beautiful' (as 'opposed' to an 'awful') LOT!

Again, am very appreciative of what you have 'put forward' in this regard.

- David :ph34r: (zen bowing)

P.S. Your 'attitude' towards and 'way' with 'words' strikes me as having been a very creative 'survival' and, at some level, 'loving' strategy in relation to your mother, asheera. Strikes me that the doofus that my mental-n-emotional constellation was when 'I' was 'young' might conceivably at least have resorted to murdering her [!] as a 'solution', or, if not her, later, someone else as her 'proxy'. You must have been born a 'saint'. Please note, what with the 'limitations' of 'words', my using saint in this-your case doesn't mean I think your mental-n-emotional constellation has no 'rough' edges! For one thing, it certainly doesn't mean I think that the same kind of strategy is functionally 'good' in relation to others who are both desirous and capable of being 'in' a 'sane'-n-'loving' communicational relationship field-bubble with you NOW. :)

[sahyo]

does river fear rivering, or ocean fear oceaning ? ;) :)


:D

[a random hack]

:lol:

[rich]

Extracted from DavidS post:P.S. Your 'attitude' towards and 'way' with 'words' strikes me as having been a very creative 'survival' and, at some level, 'loving' strategy in relation to your mother, asheera. Strikes me that the doofus that my mental-n-emotional constellation was when 'I' was 'young' might conceivably at least have resorted to murdering her [!] as a 'solution', or, if not her, later, someone else as her 'proxy'. You must have been born a 'saint'. Please note, what with the 'limitations' of 'words', my using saint in this-your case doesn't mean I think your mental-n-emotional constellation has no 'rough' edges! For one thing, it certainly doesn't mean I think that the same kind of strategy is functionally 'good' in relation to others who are both desirous and capable of being 'in' a 'sane'-n-'loving' communicational relationship field-bubble with you NOW. :)

Hi David, I extracted the following paragraph from your post, and wondering if you were referring to me.

You must have been born a 'saint'. Please note, what with the 'limitations' of 'words', my using saint in this-your case doesn't mean I think your mental-n-emotional constellation has no 'rough' edges! For one thing, it certainly doesn't mean I think that the same kind of strategy is functionally 'good' in relation to others who are both desirous and capable of being 'in' a 'sane'-n-'loving' communicational relationship field-bubble with you NOW. :)

David, Rich is no factor in being in competition with you, to be 'in' a 'sane'-n-'loving' communicational relationship field-bubble with asheera, NOW. I am 81, and now need to resort to the use of a walker, even in the house. I have been married to my lady for
48 years, and she is a loving and faithful wife. Both of us are partly handicapped, and as long as we are able to stay out of assisted living and/or nursing homes, that we shall try to do. I do most of the cooking here, Dot does the cleanup.

I enjoy posting on the forum, have feelings of affection for asheera,
and playing word games with her. Outside of that, I am not a competitor. I do not know how she feels about having a loving communicational relationship with you? But as long as asheera posts here, and responds to my posts, shall continue posting on this public forum.

And yet again, it may be my ee- maj-in-may-shun, David, considering myself as a competitor, for sen-ill-ity happens . ;) :lol:

[rich]

Originally posted by rich@Dec 15 2003, 12:20 PM
Extracted from DavidS post:P.S. Your 'attitude' towards and 'way' with 'words' strikes me as having been a very creative 'survival' and, at some level, 'loving' strategy in relation to your mother, asheera. Strikes me that the doofus that my mental-n-emotional constellation was when 'I' was 'young' might conceivably at least have resorted to murdering her [!] as a 'solution', or, if not her, later, someone else as her 'proxy'. You must have been born a 'saint'. Please note, what with the 'limitations' of 'words', my using saint in this-your case doesn't mean I think your mental-n-emotional constellation has no 'rough' edges! For one thing, it certainly doesn't mean I think that the same kind of strategy is functionally 'good' in relation to others who are both desirous and capable of being 'in' a 'sane'-n-'loving' communicational relationship field-bubble with you NOW.* :)

Hi David, I extracted the following paragraph from your post, and wondering if you were referring to me.

You must have been born a 'saint'. Please note, what with the 'limitations' of 'words', my using saint in this-your case doesn't mean I think your mental-n-emotional constellation has no 'rough' edges! For one thing, it certainly doesn't mean I think that the same kind of strategy is functionally 'good' in relation to others who are both desirous and capable of being 'in' a 'sane'-n-'loving' communicational relationship field-bubble with you NOW.* :)

David, Rich is no factor in being in competition with you, to be 'in' a 'sane'-n-'loving' communicational relationship field-bubble with asheera, NOW. I am 81, and now need to resort to the use of a walker, even in the house. I have been married to my lady for
48 years, and she is a loving and faithful wife. Both of us are partly handicapped, and as long as we are able to stay out of assisted living and/or nursing homes, that we shall try to do. I do most of the cooking here, Dot does the cleanup.

I enjoy posting on the forum, have feelings of affection for asheera,
and playing word games with her. Outside of that, I am not a competitor. I do not know how she feels about having a loving communicational relationship with you? But as long as asheera posts here, and responds to my posts, shall continue posting on this public forum.

And yet again, it may be my ee- maj-in-may-shun, David, considering myself as a competitor, for sen-ill-ity happens . ;) :lol:

and the above post, ain't saying, my communicational relationship
with asheera, ain't loving. And that ain't saying, that it is. ;) :lol: B)

[DavidS]

Hi rich -

No to your above wonderings. The quoted (by you) words (of mine) were specifically addressed to asheera. However, as with anything else I or anyone else says here, my personal philosophy based suggestion is "If 'the shoe' fits, put it on and see what it feels like to walk in it and, if that feels 'right', see where you go from there, i.e., see see where 'it' takes you; and if it doesn't (fit), just cast it aside and don't give it a second thought."

I appreciate what you shared about the parameters of your present personal physical existence. Ultimately no one can 'know' what's 'true' for someone else, but, for whatever it's worth, let me tell you it looks like you're doing GOOD, which, to me, means doing the BEST you can with what you have to work/play with. And that's way more than most. My prayer is, may that also be the case with me and everyone else here, dude.

Salut! - David :)

[DavidS]

Originally posted by DavidS@Dec 15 2003, 10:18 AM
I appreciate what you shared about the parameters of your present personal physical existence.
Hi again rich - synchronicity ABOUNDS! - I just received this as 'forward' added to a communique, from someone whose acqaintance I just made, which she in turn recently received as a 'forward' from her sister.

Struck me that it spoke to you-n-your-situation (all our 'situations', eventually).

Enjoy - David
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>Subject: Insights & Inspirations - Thursday, December 11, 2003
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[sahyo]

"Happiness is
>something you decide on ahead of time. Whether I like my room or not
>doesn't depend on how the furniture is arranged... it's how I arrange
>my mind. I already decided to love it


"ahead of time"? :blink:

"arrange my mind"? :wacko:

[rich]

David,
Thanks for posting the Veronica Hay reference. Probably is good advice to practice, if you can. But, each one has to learn the lessons via personal experience (the hard way) rather than being smart, and accepting someone elses wisdom. So, I'll keep her words in one of my memory banks, and try to implement them, if ever needed. B) :)

[sahyo]

Right on . . . !

. . . :)

David before: That's the sort of reason why 'communes' whose members are all would be hippie-mystics don't last, at least not peacefully/harmoniously for very long.

asheera: people cannot "peacefully" when thinking'who'mine

David now: Yes; but I think this comment 'overlooks' my 'point' which was that 'hippie-mystics' often (generally?) think not-'who'/not-'mine', "just 'love' the one you're with," etc. on a superficial-conscious level, but are unconsciously (thoughtlessly) quite selfish and inconsiderate (another 'kind' of thoughtlessness) and careless (yet another 'kind' of thoughtlessness) in relation to others,

thinking'who'mine, if thinking"in relation to others"

like my step-daughter was when she was ignore·ant and un·response·able [she no longer is 'such' by the way; she is a very functionally 'loving' adult now; also, by the way, since you responded with "adult?" when I used the word a while ago saying that I was holding you 'accountable' as an 'adult', this gives you a 'clue' to what I mean by the word: response·able, functionally related to others in a thoughtful, considerate, caring way, etc.]

was she "ignore·ant and un·response·able"?, or davidthinking'who'minesocks?

David before: I wouldn't, for instance, 'take my chances' living with someone who talk-speak-comes across like you, at least not without carefully ex·peer·ientially 'testing' such a venture's viability for this kind of 'reason', asheera.

is necessary "talk-speak-comes across like" like davidthinks'should'shouldn't?

asheera: "carefully ex·peer·ientially 'testing'"?

David now: Yes. An example of this would be what I have been 'conversationally' doing with you. So far, OK (checkmark) 'level' hasn't been reached at least nowhere near consistently, BUT there (now) sureare some very 'promising' 'signs' in this regard.

david "checkmark"ing asif school assignment? ;)

David before: I is slowly becoming a 'wise' 'gambler' (it's taken me a loong time to come to my 'senses', as far as I have that is, in this regard).

"gambler"?....gamble?


David now: Thank you very much for (and I mean that I am very appreciative of) your 'explanation'.

thanking"Thank you"

Super A-OK for someone with your ex·peer·iential conditioning.

"conditioning"?

I 'promise' you (based on my ex·peer·ience as both a life-sport 'player' and life-sport 'coach) that your stamina will increase if and as you continue to exercise the 'concentration' necessary for (mutually) meaningful, verbal communication.

not 'about' "concentration"meaningful"

I am glad to 'see' that your 'rebelling happening' reflex is 'thawing'.

"rebelling"?....davidthinking"your rebelling"

Yes, I totally agree with you, asheera, that 'words' cannot and do not even come close to saying what's really what, and that there are many liabilities which attend their (unskillful, unadept) 'use' (both in terms of 'transmission'-expression and 'reception'-interpretation), BUT as in the case of what you said above, and I hope you can see that I am 'right' on this score, they sure can say-convey a 'beautiful' (as 'opposed' to an 'awful') LOT!

Again, am very appreciative of what you have 'put forward' in this regard.

- David :ph34r: (zen bowing)

b :) w i n g

P.S. Your 'attitude' towards and 'way' with 'words' strikes me as having been a very creative 'survival' and, at some level, 'loving' strategy in relation to your mother, asheera. Strikes me that the doofus that my mental-n-emotional constellation was when 'I' was 'young' might conceivably at least have resorted to murdering her [!] as a 'solution', or, if not her, later, someone else as her 'proxy'.

. . . mother just wanted using words

You must have been born a 'saint'. Please note, what with the 'limitations' of 'words', my using saint in this-your case doesn't mean I think your mental-n-emotional constellation has no 'rough' edges!

what "saint"?, "'rough' edges"?

For one thing, it certainly doesn't mean I think that the same kind of strategy is functionally 'good' in relation to others who are both desirous and capable of being 'in' a 'sane'-n-'loving' communicational relationship field-bubble with you NOW.

david"I think"ing"strategy"

"sane"insane?

david seeks 'proof' asheera"loving" through 'how' writing?

:)

[DavidS]

Originally posted by asheera@Dec 15 2003, 03:07 PM

"Happiness is
>something you decide on ahead of time. Whether I like my room or not
>doesn't depend on how the furniture is arranged... it's how I arrange
>my mind. I already decided to love it


"ahead of time"? :blink:

"arrange my mind"? :wacko:
It's an attitude-n-intention (elective) adjustment-n-direction thang, methinks the lady in the piece is 'practicing', asheera. Image·in having a 'fire-hose nozzle gizmo' in your hands whereby you could adjust the 'parameters' as well as 'arrival point' of your subjective-process life-'water' flow. That's what I think the woman is talking about and doing.

Not everyone's cup o tea, not asheera's preference fer sure in any case, methinks. :)

[DavidS]

Originally posted by asheera@Dec 15 2003, 05:34 PM
david seeks 'proof' asheera"loving" through 'how' writing?
David sees and says what David sees - no 'proof' required or asked for, only ask that asheera as honestly as she can look to see if and to what degree what David sees and says about anything, not just about asheera, might actually pertain. Your saying 'no' about anything makes no difference. Your saying 'yes' about anything (even things that David may think and feel otherwise about) is 'heard' and 'appreciated'.

[sahyo]

:)

what is woman "practicing", david?

[sahyo]

David sees and says what David sees - no 'proof' required or asked for only ask that asheera as honestly as she can look to see if and to what degree what David sees and says about anything, not just about asheera, might actually pertain.

david think not posting "honestly"?

Your saying 'no' about anything makes no difference. Your saying 'yes' about anything (even things that David may think and feel otherwise about) is 'heard' and 'appreciated'.

can separate yesno?

which desires asheera post "yes"?

[sahyo]

does david think loving only say 'yes'?

[rich]

On another thread, said, " it's your turn". Also saying it here. :lol:
:rolleyes:

Ooop's asheera,

Should have been more specific, I meant David's turn to post a reply. :) His name was mentioned on other thread in The Philosophy Forum. :) ;)

[sahyo]

" it's your turn"?

[rich]

My previous post, directly above your reply, was corrected.
Sorry about that. :) ;)

[rich]

It looks like David S is not replying. Does anyone else wish to reply?
If the answer is, "No!",
I'll say, "Good-bye!"

[DavidS]

Originally posted by rich@Dec 18 2003, 08:52 AM
It looks like David S is not replying. Does anyone else wish to reply?
If the answer is, "No!",
I'll say, "Good-bye!"
Was on a multidimensional 'hiatus', richie. :) Hello!

[DavidS]

Originally posted by asheera@Dec 15 2003, 06:14 PM
does david think loving only say 'yes'?
In a manner of speaking, depending on what one defines 'love' to be, my answer is: "'only' does not pertain, but 'to a certain degree', YES." :D

Pro-life loving overflows with yes's.

Anti-life (sinful) 'loving' indulges nay-thinking-feeling-n-saying galore.

In my observation and experience, that is.

[sahyo]

"Pro-life"not"Pro-life"? :)

[DavidS]

Originally posted by asheera@Dec 21 2003, 04:44 PM
"Pro-life"not"Pro-life"? :)
Am unable to de·cipher what this 'transmission' was intended to communicate, or 'ask' about if that's what was intended - resend with the 'encryption' turned off please ...

Thanks - David :)

[sahyo]

"encryption"? :blink:

[sahyo]

th :) anks

[sahyo]

Rumi:



Love is reckless; not reason.

Reason seeks a profit.

Love comes on strong,

consuming herself, unabashed.



Yet, in the midst of suffering,

Love proceeds like a millstone,

hard surfaced and straightforward.



Having died of self-interest,

she risks everything and asks for nothing.

Love gambles away every gift God bestows.



Without cause God gave us Being;

without cause, give it back again.

[venom mama]

Originally posted by asheera@Dec 4 2003, 05:50 AM
Sahajo



Those gone mad in love,
All life is transformed for them.
Sahajo says: They don't see
Who is a beggar or a king.

Those gone mad in love,
Cast and color have disappeared for them.
Sahajo says: The world calls them crazy,
And everyone near runs off.

Those gone mad in love,
Sahajo says: Their bodies waver
And their feet stagger out of control -
Then the divine takes care.

The mind is blissful,
The body is drunk with ecstasy.
Sahajo is with no one,
No one is with Sahajo
no doubt


absolutly no doubt


mad in love



heartbroken




beautiful asheera




beautiful

[sahyo]

vgirlsweetdancing,
read as though heart broken?

:)

[todd]

From the thread above:


The 92-year-old, petite, well-poised and proud lady, who is fully
>dressed each morning by eight o'clock, with her hair fashionably
>coifed and makeup perfectly applied, even though she is legally blind, moved
>to a nursing home today. Her husband of 70 years recently passed away, making
>the move necessary.


>Old age is like a bank account ... you withdraw from what you've put
>in.. So, my advice to you would be to deposit a lot of happiness in the
>bank account of memories . Thank you for your part in filling my Memory
>bank. I am still depositing.



Is this something typically American?
To abandon your parents, to forget about them and remember once per year on Thanksgiving day?

This society is sick of selfishness and reckless indifference.
In some other countries and cultures there is a legal obligation to take care of your parents (beyond the moral one), as well as your parents have a legal obligation to take care of you as long as you are a child. Sending your parents to an asylum is a great shame and tragedy in some civilized countries, but here nobody cares anymore.
In other places, brothers and cousins are helping each other when in need, sometimes living together. Not here.
The ancient family relationships are degrading in this society.
We build houses meant to last a few decades. Why? Don’t we want to leave our children a heritage anymore? To take care of our grandchildren, to raise them and share our wisdom with them? To teach them what family really means.
Why do we keep building these fake houses (matchboxes) made of cardboard? We value them sometimes in millions, but they are worthless. Go back in Europe and see houses built 500 years ago, with the pictures of the ancestors that lived in hanging on the walls. However, I look around and I hear about some 50 years old houses almost falling apart that they have ‘character’?!!?
And not talking about the areas affected by tornados. These guys are masochists, they enjoy seeing their houses being brushed by the wind…they will build a new matchbox instead, to last until the next year…
But we keep painting them to look as made of stone!
Childcare, became a really good business. Parents prefer to pay for childcare instead sending them to their grandparents.
Serenity is by nature the suffering age. Why do we have to make it bitter too?
Respect and love is what is missing here, and the willing to do something right.
Living alone is not what we want.
Life (as I see it) is not only about money and profit, 2 weeks vacation in Hawaii per year, a widescreen TV a Mercedes and some good looking women (men) around.
Life is about doing something for the others, at least for those close to you, as your family. Making their lives a tiny bit better will make you happy. At least this is what I feel.

[sahyo]

not grateful?

:)

[sahyo]

hehe....opp

[todd]

just angry for bad decisions

[sahyo]

:hug:

which seems decisions not decisions, sweeting

many people not living warring,
body starving, illness, not legs-arms-or,
or living cold no home for heating

what paining-angering?

[sahyo]

is not comparing

[todd]

Faith is faith, but when you take a bad decision knowing that it is bad but hoping that the results will be better than you expect... and they are not...

[sahyo]

can happen disappointment if not "expect",
if not expect as though can "results"?