David's Car

[vicente]

Empirically, that is, knowledge dependent on preceived experience or observations, a car appears to exist; although logically, which is to say, knowledge as a set of all facts, no car, or object in the phenomenal world, actually stands alone, that is, either exists or has being. Some say that for all practical purposes, which in essence is saying 'for the purposes of clinging to a belief in duality (the dream) for their identity, than a car exists, and is driven in such a way to avoid various perceived situations as ditches, other cars, and intersections.

I agree that it appears that some knowledge of the 'dream' is advantagesome while navigating within the 'dream'; that is, how the laws of perception work. However, the intent of this forum, to me, would seem to be more interested in the BigView, verses the small view arising from perceptions very narrow visible, audio, olfactory, temperature, etc., spectrum.

Most today, give their power away to cars before they have even learned to drive. They adapt quite readily to the so called sensible approach of "good ol' Classical Mechanics", and the perpetuation of the dream. They are content with concepts such as 'levels of truth' and personal truths. The "utility" of understanding the difference between humancentric reality, that is, that life is biological, that we are our bodies, and say, transhumanism, the use of the set of all facts to transcend the limited human experience.

Yes, I would agree that those interested in cars, pudding, getting down to earth, and other dream perpetuated diversions, don't give a "rats ass" about Reality, ie., the theory postulated by Quantum Cosmologists Steven Hawking and Jim Hartle, which says that there are no boundaries, no BigBang, no singularity, no time, no creation, thus no creator,...because the word creation/creator implies a before and after, or time.

For some, the BigView is a space to discuss not only the correspondances between phenomena, but to share, uncover and expound on certainties. Empirically, nothing can be said with certain. So what is the point in pursuing an ordinary, infinitely regressive, dialogue about cars and driving situations?

Vicente
:)

[a random hack]

For some, the BigView is a space to discuss not only the correspondances between phenomena, but to share, uncover and expound on certainties. Empirically, nothing can be said with certain. So what is the point in pursuing an ordinary, infinitely regressive, dialogue about cars and driving situations?

certainties based on what? what can you say for certain? who says there is a point?

[sonrisa]

:D you're GOOD Random :D

[vicente]

A possible certainty could be: I am where my attention is; where my attention is I am.

Or,...if we could agree on a particular definition based on a set of all facts, ie., 1+1=2, then in the context of that discussion we can be certain, from our agreement that 1+1=2, is 1+1=2.

In empirical knowledge, "now" is definied as "the present time or moment". Through ratiocinative knowledge, which includes the set of all facts, "now" defined as "present time" is an oxymoron,...for their is no instant in time. Time is always in motion.

If it is a certainty that there is no instant in time, which it is, than the "now" is only present outside or beyond time. Thus, anything observed as in time, cannot be in the Now.

Vicente
:)

[sahyo]

:D you're GOOD Random :D



so hack not haps "sick" since
different foto which sonrisa likes and not think
charles manson?
;)

[a random hack]

A possible certainty could be: I am where my attention is; where my attention is I am.

Or,...if we could agree on a particular definition based on a set of all facts, ie., 1+1=2, then in the context of that discussion we can be certain, from our agreement that 1+1=2, is 1+1=2.

In empirical knowledge, "now" is definied as "the present time or moment". Through ratiocinative knowledge, which includes the set of all facts, "now" defined as "present time" is an oxymoron,...for their is no instant in time. Time is always in motion.

If it is a certainty that there is no instant in time, which it is, than the "now" is only present outside or beyond time. Thus, anything observed as in time, cannot be in the Now.

Vicente

where am i when i'm not paying attention?

seems that an agreed definition based on facts, within context, is the opposite of certainty....
Or else why all the cross-checking?

Thus, anything observed as in time, cannot be in the Now.

Seems there is no certainty in the Now?


<ducks for cover>

[DavidS]

Originally posted by vicente@Nov 17 2003, 04:50 PM
So what is the point in pursuing an ordinary, infinitely regressive, dialogue about cars and driving situations?
Only 'infinititely regressive', in what you call the 'ordinary' sense, when it involves people who aren't truly interested in 'coming to terms' with someone else -- if-n-when folks are, the (regression) 'series' becomes 'convergent'.

The point about 'cars' and situational driving options has to do with 'successful' 'navigation' of 'conjoint' interpersonal relationship-space.

I mistook your passionate expressions re 'house' building to indicate something which it didn't. You are clearly not interested in resolving the kind o' thang referenced above.

Let's let it be, then. Thanks for the dance. Happy theorizing!!
:)

[vicente]

Waking up is not necessarily pleasant:
you get to see
why all this time,
you chose to sleep.

When you wake up
the first thing you will see is
Reality does not exist for you,
you exist for it.
Shocking as it is
when you let it in,
there is rest.

You do not have to labor anymore
to hold together a reality
that does not exist;
forcing something to be real
that is not real.

You and this life you have been living
are not real ...

In letting it in,
even through the shock... pain... shattering,
there is rest.

Reality is when
all you want to know is
what is true ...
just so that you can
let it in
and be true.

Reality is not a safe place for you -
the you that you have created.

It is the only place where
you would die;
where there is no room for
your hopes, your dreams.

Once you have let it in,
once you begin to re-awaken;
to let Reality wake you up,
nothing can get it out.
That is the beginning of your end.
Waking up can be much more painful
than the agony of your dream,
but waking up is real ...

And there will be integration:
a merging of Reality and you.
You and Reality will become one
in a world that does not
accept nor want one,
but two.

John de Ruiter
February, 2000
Edmonton, Canada

[sahyo]

When you wake up
the first thing you will see is
Reality does not exist for you,
you exist for it.


a"you" which "exist for it"?


You do not have to labor anymore
to hold together a reality
that does not exist;
forcing something to be real
that is not real.


thought'idea'belief"forcing"whichnot


Reality is when
all you want to know is
what is true ...
just so that you can
let it in
and be true.


thinks"deliberate"?


Once you have let it in,
once you begin to re-awaken;


if thinking absent "in"out"begin"end absent


Waking up can be much more painful
than the agony of your dream,
but waking up is real ...


:lol:


And there will be integration:
a merging of Reality and you.
You and Reality will become one
in a world that does not
accept nor want one,
but two.


thinking'two' which "integration"s?
thinking"one"?

[sonrisa]

Originally posted by asheera@Nov 18 2003, 07:25 PM

:D you're GOOD Random :D



so hack not haps "sick" since
different foto which sonrisa likes and not think
charles manson?
;)
course He's good. He thinks like Foghorn Leghorn, so how could he not be good! :)

[sahyo]

"thinks like" is "good"?

"sick" if posted charles manson foto
and "good" if "thinks like Foghorn Leghorn"?,
hehe :)

[sonrisa]

yep that's about it :D

[sahyo]

so thoughtthinks-imagins-imaging-"good"bad-"sick"-hack, sonrisa?
....is called hack "good"bad-"sick" since called sonrisathought-thinks-imagining-imaging-"good"bad-"sick?

:)

[DavidS]

Originally posted by asheera@Nov 20 2003, 06:28 PM
so thoughtthinks-imagins-imaging-"good"bad-"sick"-hack, sonrisa?
....is called hack "good"bad-"sick" since called sonrisathought-thinks-imagining-imaging-"good"bad-"sick?
Hey, is this or ain't this the 'sound' of 'silence'? :ph34r:

[sahyo]

hehehehehe :D

[sonrisa]

Originally posted by asheera@Nov 20 2003, 08:28 PM
so thoughtthinks-imagins-imaging-"good"bad-"sick"-hack, sonrisa?
....is called hack "good"bad-"sick" since called sonrisathought-thinks-imagining-imaging-"good"bad-"sick?

:)


don't have to think it, don't have to imagine it. I know it!

[sahyo]

thinkingyouknow"goodbad"sick" isn't imagining, sonrisa? :P :D

[rich]

tis not a nice reply to sonrisa,asheera :P B)

[sahyo]

:P :)

[rich]

to the littlea :P ;) und der cincinatti kid too. :P :lol:

P.S. All are invited too, even Vicente

Click on the link below and then type in your first name.



http://www.cse.unsw.edu.au/~geoffo/humour/...r/flattery.html (http://www.cse.unsw.edu.au/~geoffo/humour/flattery.html)

[sonrisa]

great site Richie! :)

Asheera give it a rest, it's getting stale

[sahyo]

Asheera give it a rest, it's getting stale



:lol:

shouldshouldn'ts?

sonrisa trying 'bossing'? when sonrisa thinks'stale'
which intellect cannot understand

[rich]

:huh: oh oh :(

[sahyo]

sonrisa like the comfort of the 'discussing and trying clevering
game' and wouldn't shouldshouldn't and try bossing
if was playing the game?

[sahyo]

repeating and discussing which have read isn't "stale"?

is "stale"notstale, sonrisa?

:)

[sahyo]

:) rich

[rich]

what are the rules of the game which asheera, david, sonrisa and hack are playing? Who is winning? What are the stakes? What is the name of the game, asheera wins? :unsure: :o :D

[sonrisa]

whatever the game is it's boring & I'm dropping out. I don't think Random's playing at all since he hasn't posted anything. Too bad he's not with us right now, I'm watching The Wizard of Oz on the cable. TBS I think. Right now the witch is throwing fireballs at the scarecrow.

Oh Kraft-y Cheez Whiz (:P) , where r u? B)

[sonrisa]

lions & tigers & bears! (oh my!)

[sahyo]

whatever the game is it's boring & I'm dropping out.



oh so sonrisa ceasing posting discussing
and trying cleavering?

[sahyo]

"wins"?

[rich]

Originally posted by asheera@Nov 22 2003, 10:16 AM
"wins"?
if you don't win, do you lose? :unsure:

[DavidS]

Originally posted by asheera@Nov 21 2003, 08:11 PM
sonrisa: whatever the game is it's boring & I'm dropping out.
asheera: oh so sonrisa ceasing posting discussing and trying cleavering?
CLEAVERING! Freudian slip-sliding? Yikes! Everyone, including any other Halloween Freddies around, better WATCH out!
:lol:

[sahyo]

:lol: :lol: .... not "cleavering" but 'clevering', david....
often write cleavering for clevering
but missed it that post :lol:

[rich]

Originally posted by asheera@Nov 24 2003, 04:02 AM
:lol: :lol: .... not "cleavering" but 'clevering', david....
often write cleavering for clevering
but missed it that post :lol:
i saw it too, but ignored it. B)

[sahyo]

B) :D

[a random hack]

CLEAVERING! Freudian slip-sliding? Yikes! Everyone, including any other Halloween Freddies around, better WATCH out!


is a hack, does that count?

[DavidS]

Originally posted by rich+Nov 23 2003, 02:23 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (rich @ Nov 23 2003, 02:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--asheera@Nov 24 2003, 04:02 AM
:lol:* :lol: .... not "cleavering" but 'clevering', david....
often write cleavering for clevering
but missed it that post :lol:
i saw it too, but ignored it. B) [/b][/quote]
I knew that, asheera; in 'view' of the 'unseen' emotional 'color' attending the 'content' of the conversation up to that point, I just chose to 'milk' the 'slip'-stimulus and make a 'flavored' shake out of it, richie. ;)