Original Philosophical Quips

[rich]

The only problem I have with birthdays is,

after each one, I end up a year older. :D

[sonrisa]

you & everybody else Richie. I try not to think about that & just enjoy the presents & cards & partying. :P

[DavidS]

Originally posted by rich@Oct 23 2003, 03:13 PM
The only problem I have with birthdays is,

after each one, I end up a year older. :D
Personally, I think-n-feel about the pop-culture 'special'-day-'Birthday' myth-ritual somewhat the same way I think-n-feel about 'Christmas', with or without Santa Claus, though I 'go along' with others' 'observances' of the same (if the flow of Life places me in the 'vicinity' of such 'others' at the time).

If-n-when 'questioned' as to why I think-n-feel the 'odd' way I do, I simply tell folks that I prefer to live with an attitude that every day is 'Christmas', and every day is my (and everyone else's) 'Birthday' . . . with different kinds of possible 'spin off' 'explanations' of the 'logic' behind my attitude depending on my perception of the querier's level of curiosity and current-degree of 'attitude'-effect understanding.

[a random hack]

every day IS new, asif birth-day

[rich]

An unoriginal 'quip' by Aaron Copland's musical score, its Opening Words from : Fanfare For The Common Man

Everyday is a new beginning. Everyday the world made new.

[Polaris]

Hate to say this but......

..... you guys are all sounding like people who have had quite a few birthdays and Christmases under your belts. :P

Very mature attitude, that whole "Today is the first day of the rest of your life" stuff, and 'every day is my birthday' and admitting that y'all don't buy that much into birthdays and Christmas. I agree, I don't buy much into them either. Birthdays? Who cares. Christmas? Just a great opportunity to spend with family. Who cares about the fanfare and the gifts? We know that's not what's important.

BUT.... how did you feel about birthdays and Christmas when you were 7? :huh:

;) :)

[sonrisa]

Well I LUV Christmas, I Luv the lights, & the trees, shopping for & giving gifts, the day off.... :D
the weather I could do without, unless its warm, which happens here occasionally. I'd say I feel the same about Christmas as I did when I was 7. The only time I didn't want Christmas to come was when I was 9 becuz that was the first one without my Grampa, but of course it came & went, & everything was alright. They say if you can get thru Christmas after a loved one dies, then things will start getting better & the pain will start to fade, & for me that has always been true. Seems the loss isn't so bad once that first Christmas without them is over with.

As for b'day's I think I've mellowed somewhat on them since age 7. If it falls on the weekend I still like to party tho. And I enjoy other peoples' b'day parties.

[Polaris]

I use to get all fired up over Christmas. My parents use to go all out with the presents and the stockings. It was great to be living in a materialistic world!! The worst part was having to leave my new toys and go visit the cousins I didn't like... or worse... if the cousins I didn't like came to visit us and they got to play with my toys before I'd really had a chance to check them all out!! :angry: ;)

Birthdays were never that big a deal in our house. I got a few gifts from parents but I only had one birthday party my entire life. Now I don't get much of anything. My sons birthday is the day before mine (bad conceptual planning there) so I get leftover cake! <_<

[rich]

Extracted from Polaris' post:[color=blue]Birthdays were never that big a deal in our house. I got a few gifts from parents but I only had one birthday party my entire life. Now I don't get much of anything. My sons birthday is the day before mine (bad conceptual planning there) so I get leftover cake! </span>


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P.S.
Why not break down, and buy another cake. Or bake 2 when baking.
Hint, when baking 2 cakes, do not halve or double the baking time. :D :lol: ;)

[Polaris]

Hey! If I don't get a birthday party, the least you could do is throw me a pity party!! ;) :D

[rich]

Originally posted by Polaris+Oct 28 2003, 06:14 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Polaris @ Oct 28 2003, 06:14 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Hey! If I don't get a birthday party, the least you could do is throw me a pity party!! ;) :D [/b]
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[a random hack]

remember xmas as the time of family get-togethers, and as come from a very disfunctional family, was interesting...;)
never been much into birthdays as didn't get much by way of special treatment, so guess habit wasn't ingrained, today seems b'day is 'just' another day...remember 21st birthday tho, was sick on dialysis, so home living with mum, parents had divorced by this stage, and father came to take us to local chinese restaurant (big whoop :P ), and as usual, little sister refused to be seen in public with rest of family :(... so, spent 21st with family and no booze :(... altogether now, aWWWWWWWW! :lol:

[rich]

:mellow: :)

[sonrisa]

Random, if you were on dialysis you shouldn't have been drinking anyhow.
(Just curious- is that how you got on dialysis?)

[sonrisa]

Originally posted by Polaris@Oct 28 2003, 04:15 AM
* The worst part was having to leave my new toys and go visit the cousins I didn't like... or worse... if the cousins I didn't like came to visit us and they got to play with my toys before I'd really had a chance to check them all out!!* :angry:* ;)

Didn't have that problem. When I was growing up we went to the one Gramma's on Christmas Eve & to the other one on Christmas Day. I saw the cousins I didn't like on the Eve. Apparantly they opened their presents on Christmas Eve morning & that evening at Gramma's they were always bragging about what they got for Christmas, wearing their new clothes, etc... Reading this over, I'm thinking that may be one of the (unconscious) reasons I never liked them. There were 3 of them & in my mind I called them the 3 Stooges- one even looked a little like Moe & another had hair like Larry (& these were girls, mind you!) They were superficial & gossipy, always gossiping about people only they knew, so even if you wanted to take part in the conversation you couldn't. But now I see that the up side was that, since we didn't open up our stuff until Christmas morning, they didn't get to play with my new toys! :)

[sahyo]

Random, if you were on dialysis you shouldn't have been drinking anyhow.
(Just curious- is that how you got on dialysis?)


sonrisa :P

[sonrisa]

asheera, :P :D

[sahyo]

hehe :D

[rich]

Polaris wrote:The worst part was having to leave my new toys and go visit the cousins I didn't like... or worse... if the cousins I didn't like came to visit us and they got to play with my toys before I'd really had a chance to check them all out!!

Polaris,
Did the cousins break your new toys before you had a chance to play with them. Maybe that is why you did not like :angry: them. :unsure:

[Polaris]

Originally posted by rich@Oct 28 2003, 01:02 PM
Polaris wrote:The worst part was having to leave my new toys and go visit the cousins I didn't like... or worse... if the cousins I didn't like came to visit us and they got to play with my toys before I'd really had a chance to check them all out!!

Polaris,
Did the cousins break your new toys before you had a chance to play with them. Maybe that is why you did not like :angry: them. :unsure:
Nah, I just didn't like them for who they were. I bet I didn't like them because the only time we really got together with them was on Christmas when I was uprooted from my loot. I must have associated them with being responsible for me not being able to play with my new stuff. Heck! They probably hated me for the exact same reason!! :lol:

[rich]

Quote Polaris:Nah, I just didn't like them for who they were. I bet I didn't like them because the only time we really got together with them was on Christmas when I was uprooted from my loot. I must have associated them with being responsible for me not being able to play with my new stuff. Heck! They probably hated me for the exact same reason!!* .

A very unchristmas like spirit prevailed upon the children of the parents of the brothers and sisters which gathered together on Christmas Day to celebrate The Lord Jesus' Birrthday,
when Polaris was growing up. It appears that then, there was much friction. :angry:
What about today, does the friction still exist? :unsure:

[sahyo]

Random, if you were on dialysis you shouldn't have been drinking anyhow.


right or wrong?


(Just curious- is that how you got on dialysis?)


can 'define'?, sonrisa

[sonrisa]

define what asheera?

[a random hack]

alcohol is not THE problem on dialysis, but fluid can be :D
but dialysis great for flus and hangovers :D

(Just curious- is that how you got on dialysis?)
if you mean, what caused need for dialysis, was end stage renal failure (not being smart...)
if you mean, how did i dialyse, was by sticking needles in arm and pumping bllod thru filter machine.
and if you mean what type of dialysis, was haemo-dialysis... :)

[sahyo]

(Just curious- is that how you got on dialysis?)


can 'define'?, sonrisa

define what asheera?

can thought, can thought"how", define happening?

:)

[rich]

Originally posted by rich@Oct 29 2003, 02:07 AM
Quote Polaris:Nah, I just didn't like them for who they were. I bet I didn't like them because the only time we really got together with them was on Christmas when I was uprooted from my loot. I must have associated them with being responsible for me not being able to play with my new stuff. Heck! They probably hated me for the exact same reason!!* .

A very unchristmas like spirit prevailed upon the children of the parents of the brothers and sisters which gathered together on Christmas Day to celebrate The Lord Jesus' Birrthday,
when Polaris was growing up. It appears that then, there was much friction. :angry:
What about today, does the friction still exist? :unsure:


What posted to Polaris, was not answered by she.
Is Polaris pulling an asheera? Another question I would like to ask Polaris ?
Polaris posted:
Nah, I just didn't like them for who they were. I bet I didn't like them because the only time we really got together with them was on Christmas when I was uprooted from my loot. I must have associated them with being responsible for me not being able to play with my new stuff. Heck! They probably hated me for the exact same reason!!

Did your cousins really hate/not like you? Did you really hate/not like your cousins? ;)

[sonrisa]

Originally posted by a random hack@Oct 29 2003, 02:10 PM
alcohol is not THE problem on dialysis, but fluid can be :D
but dialysis great for flus and hangovers :D

(Just curious- is that how you got on dialysis?)
if you mean, what caused need for dialysis, was end stage renal failure (not being smart...)
if you mean, how did i dialyse, was by sticking needles in arm and pumping bllod thru filter machine.
and if you mean what type of dialysis, was haemo-dialysis... :)


no, I was wondering what caused the end stage renal failure. 21 is a little young for that, unless you got diabetes or something.




ok asheera now you lost me. :unsure:

[rich]

Originally posted by a random hack@Oct 29 2003, 02:10 PM
alcohol is not THE problem on dialysis, but fluid can be :D
but dialysis great for flus and hangovers :D

(Just curious- is that how you got on dialysis?)
if you mean, what caused need for dialysis, was end stage renal failure (not being smart...)
if you mean, how did i dialyse, was by sticking needles in arm and pumping bllod thru filter machine.
and if you mean what type of dialysis, was haemo-dialysis... :)
Am sorry that you are suffering from kidney disease. Hoping you will get better real soon. Will you be needing a kidney implant, or will proper medication and a controlled diet be able to cure you? Do you have any assistance when dialysis is being administered?

Best Wishes, :)

[a random hack]

no, I was wondering what caused the end stage renal failure. 21 is a little young for that, unless you got diabetes or something.
was 18 when kidneys started failing...
was caused by a urinary tract infection... still, don't have diabetes :)

Am sorry that you are suffering from kidney disease. Hoping you will get better real soon. Will you be needing a kidney implant, or will proper medication and a controlled diet be able to cure you? Do you have any assistance when dialysis is being administered?

Best Wishes
am not suffering :)
donno if can 'get better'.... unless have another transplant, but then still have limitations...
due to restart dialysis in November, shouldn't need much help :)
Thanks.
Now, am bored with this topic :)

[sonrisa]

consider the subject closed, Random. Keep well & drink cranberry juice. :)

[rich]

Received these 'wise answers' a few days ago.
Posting them in lieu of posting nothing. No Sonrisa, I am dressed.

Did you hear the story about the 3 bears.
Momma bear.
Poppa bear.
Baby dressed.

To the 'wise answers'.

Snappy Answer #1
A flight attendant was stationed at the
departure gate to check tickets. As a man
approached, she extended her hand for the ticket; he opened his trench coat & flashed her. Without missing a beat she said, "Sir, I need to see your ticket, not your stub."
> > > > >
Snappy Answer #2
A lady was picking through the frozen turkeys
at the grocery store, but couldn't find one big
enough for her family. She asked a stock boy,
"Do these turkeys get any bigger?" The stock boy
replied, "No ma'am, they're dead."
> > > > >
Snappy Answer #3
The cop got out of his car & the kid who was
stopped for speeding rolled down his window. "I've been waiting for you all day," the cop said. The kid replied, "Yeah, well I got here as fast as I could." When the cop finally stopped laughing, he sent the kid on his way without a ticket.
> > > > >
Snappy Answer #4
A truck driver was driving along on the
freeway. A sign comes up that reads "Low bridge ahead." Before he knows it, the bridge is right ahead of him & he gets stuck under the bridge. Cars are backed up for miles. Finally, a police car comes up. The cop gets out of his car & walks around to the truck driver, puts his hands on his hips &says, "Got stuck, huh? "The truck driver says, "No, I was delivering this bridge & ran out of gas."
> > > > >
> > > > > Snappy Answer #5
THE TEACHER - Snappy Answer OF THE YEAR
A college teacher reminds her class of tomorrow's final exam. "Now class, I won't tolerate any excuses for you not being here tomorrow!; I might consider a nuclear attack or a serious personal injury or illness, or a death in your immediate family but that's it, no other excuses whatsoever!" A smart-ass guy in the back of the room raised his hand & asks,
"What would you say if tomorrow I said I was suffering from complete & utter sexual exhaustion?" The entire class does its best to stifle their laughter. When silence is restored, the teacher smiles sympathetically at the student, shakes her head, & sweetly says, "Well, I guess you'd have to write the exam with your other hand." :lol: ;)

[sonrisa]

Originally posted by rich@Nov 2 2003, 11:21 AM
Snappy Answer #3
The cop got out of his car & the kid who was
stopped for speeding rolled down his window. "I've been waiting for you all day," the cop said. The kid replied, "Yeah, well I got here as fast as I could." When the cop finally stopped laughing, he sent the kid on his way without a ticket.

that was one cool cop! I think most of them would of written that kid a ticket in such a way that he'd have to pay a much larger fine than usual. Some might of cuffed him & taken him downtown.

[a random hack]

drink cranberry juice
have heard this before... :)

[rich]

Generally speaking, I'm aware of being unaware. :)

[a random hack]

Generally speaking, I'm aware of being unaware.

that sounds like quite a trick :)

[rich]

Originally posted by sonrisa+Nov 2 2003, 11:47 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (sonrisa @ Nov 2 2003, 11:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--rich@Nov 2 2003, 11:21 AM
Snappy Answer #3
The cop got out of his car & the kid who was
stopped for speeding rolled down his window. "I've been waiting for you all day," the cop said. The kid replied, "Yeah, well I got here as fast as I could." When the cop finally stopped laughing, he sent the kid on his way without a ticket.

that was one cool cop! I think most of them would of written that kid a ticket in such a way that he'd have to pay a much larger fine than usual. Some might of cuffed him & taken him downtown. [/b][/quote]
Do Cincinatti cops write tickets and cuff youngsters/others for traffic offenses? Sounds like a police state. :unsure:

[sonrisa]

they've been known to chase em into dark alleyways & gun em down. That incedent caused a weeks worth of riots here in 2001. And the pig that murdered the kid got off scot free- acquitted. I've been harrassed by the pigs myself on a few occasions, tho never physially attacked or maimed. I don't trust them.

[rich]

Are you saying that Cincinnatti does not need any police force? :unsure:

Are there not laws that need to be enforced? :unsure:

Do you refer to all of the police force as pigs? :unsure:

[sonrisa]

you are absolutey right Richie. That is an insult to real pigs everywhere. I understand they are actually pretty intelligent barnyard animals. I shouldn't of made that comparison.

dunno if we need a police force. What we don't need are goons harrassing law abiding citizens- who pay their salaries, btw. We don't need trigger-happy goons chasing unarmed kids into alleyways & gunning them down, & we don't need stupid dispatchers giving a blow-by-blow like it was a race or some stupid game.

[rich]

Sonrisa, please do not stereotype all police officers as pigs. There are many police officers who perform their duties in a manner to protect law-abiding citizens from the criminal.

There are bad eggs in every profession, as well as good ones.
To think otherwise is not being realistic. If there are bad cops
on the Cincinnatti Police Force, the authorities in your community should be made aware of the actions of those that give the police a bad name.

[sonrisa]

they already know Richie. The Justice Dept did some sort of investigation so how could they not know? They don't care. Do you remember a few months ago when I told you our mayor's an idiot? This is one of the reasons why. He's not interested in implementing any real reform or even enforcing the JD's recommendations. So this situation is gonna fester until there's another round of riots, or maybe something worse.

[rich]

a quip:

A Chinese copy is the sincerest form of flattery. :D <_<

[sonrisa]

I've heard that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, but.... exactly what is a Chinese copy? How does it differ from other types of copies? B)

[rich]

sonrisa wrote:[QUOTE]Posted on Dec 5 2003, 02:33 PM
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I've heard that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, but.... exactly what is a Chinese copy? How does it differ from other types of copies?

When I was working, if we asked someone to make a Chinese copy of something, we usually meant making an exact replica of the object you are copying, as soon as possible. Usually means copying something with all of its fringes/finely detailed. :)

[sonrisa]

oh, ok! sorta like copying a $20 bill.... no wait that's uttering! :D

[rich]

Would not dare to utter or think anything like $20.00 in or near Cincinnatti. Many have disappeared from Earth, for doing lesss than that. :blink:

[rich]

the previous post, was wisecracking about the Cincinatti Police Dept. I normally do not criticize the police. One of my son's served over 20 years with a PD in NYS. It is not an easy job, but what I recently saw on TV News, it appeared as some of the Cincinatti
cops over reacted.

[rich]

In the brightness of the day, one sees the wonders of Earth, which are for living beings to enjoy unconditionally. It should be 0ur responsibility not to destroy anything we have received.

In the darkness of night, one sees, and can study the vastness of the universe, which each of us, are smaller than the smallest spec of dust.

Brightness or Darkness, All is Awesome. :)

[rich]

Originally posted by rich@Dec 8 2003, 02:59 AM
In the brightness of the day, one sees the wonders of Earth, which living beings can enjoy unconditionally. It should be 0ur responsibility not to destroy anything we have received.

In the darkness of night, one can study the vastness of the universe, and see that which the brightness of day blinds us from seeing in the daytime. We can realize, that each of us, is smaller than the smallest spec of dust.

Brightness or Darkness, All is Awesome. :)
This post indicates that original post is revised to as shown above. :)

[DavidS]

Originally posted by rich@Dec 8 2003, 02:59 AM
It should be 0ur responsibility not to destroy anything we have received.
I very much resonate with the 'thrust' (or should I say 'thirst') of your sentiments, richie, but 'should" doesn't pertain. The fact is that we are response·able. But we (for the most part at lest) are also born ignore·ant. Only by 'playing' in the game of 'Creation and Destruction' (which means sometimes 'Destroying') do we have the opportunity to learn how 'best' to deploy the response·ability which we are 'given'.

Your statement 'amounts' to: "It should be our responsibility not to make any mistakes." Which is the overzealous (for steady-state happiness) whip that you lash yourself with and wish you could 'cry' tears about - tho you 'cry-rain' plenty of 'shoulds' about it as is, I think. ;)

"The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; ... I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us." (Romans 8:16-18)

If you aren't yet able to 'rejoice' about this 'fact', at least try and take it easy, 'practicing' meditation (as put forward by John MacEnulty in the Buddhism section) as may be necessary, Dude. :D

[rich]

David,

Thanks for replying. I noticed that your posts make references to The Old and New Testaments of The Scriptures.

Do you also quote The Koran, and sacred scriptures from Others
who were Prophets or Lords? Hari Krishna?, The Buddha? Mohammud, Moses, Confuscius etc.

Do you think that The One God is jealous?

If jealous, jealous of what?

A house divided against itself can not stand?


As God has been presented to us, (the little people)= the followers
of religious persuasions, the various presentations present God as a dividing God, punching its self to death. Those who present God, do not present God correctly. Presentations, DISAGREE.

When each of us can forgiveGod, for creating us,
for having the presentation we have of God,
that is when we can forgiveourselves.
Then we truly will see ourself, as forgiving, and being God like people.

[a random hack]

If jealous, jealous of what?

Exactly :)

[DavidS]

Hi richie,

I noticed that your posts make references to The Old and New Testaments of The Scriptures.

Your 'noticing' may be a bit off. I very rarely quote The Old Testament. Haven't done so here, as far as I recall. If I have, it's been very 'selective' in terms of the meaning(s) conveyed, as I don't find most Old Testament notions to be 'accurate' in terms of the confiration of Reality.

Do you also quote The Koran, . . .

I have, in my book, but again very 'selectively'.

and sacred scriptures from Others who were Prophets or Lords? Hari Krishna? . . .

I have quoted from The Bhagavad Gita, ostensibly the 'words' of 'Krishna' quite often here. Haven't you 'noticed'? :)

The Buddha? ...

I have quoted from 'words' attributed to Gautama here, though not extensively.

Mohammud, ....

I haven't read anything 'Islamic' except the Koran (in translation, as in the case of other 'old' 'scriptures' ). There are quotes from that in my book, as mentioned above. I am totally unfamiliar with what's in the Hadith.

Moses, ...

My answer to this is covered in my response about The Old Testament.

Confuscius etc. ...

Nope. Haven't delved into his teachings deeply enough to be 'facile' in quoting him.

Do you think that The One God is jealous?

Nope. Hack's comment is 'on point', IMO.

If jealous, jealous of what?

Does not pertain - God is All That Is. So there is nothing 'else' to be 'jealous' off.

A house divided against itself can not stand?

True, I think. Jesus said something like this. Something like this may also be in The Old Testament. But I don't 'know' this. It just strikes me as a likely possibility. That is why 'religions' as currently 'constituted' (or 'instituted') will not (continue to) 'stand', IMO. My 'prophesy' is that they will all 'fall' in the course-process of the currently excalating conflictual-chaos.

As God has been presented to us, (the little people)= the followers of religious persuasions, the various presentations present God as a dividing God, punching its self to death. Those who present God, do not present God correctly. Presentations, DISAGREE.

Yes, indeedy. I am 'against' such 'incorrectness' and 'divisiveness' myself.

When each of us can forgiveGod, for creating us, for having the presentation we have of God, that is when we can forgiveourselves.

This makes a lot of sense. But it is based on a miss-under-stand-ing of 'God', IMO. And 'points' to the 'importance' of under-stand-ing what is dynamically 'true' in Reality.

Then we truly will see ourself, as forgiving, and being God like people.

The whole notion of 'forgiveness' (as well as notions like 'justice' and 'mercy') being 'necessary' and/or 'desirable' is fundamentally 'flawed' IMO, though it/these certainly can be quite 'useful' to be people whose 'degree' of under-stand-ing is 'limited' (again IMO), as I hope the following quote from my book makes clear:

And so you will feel free to respond to Life-happenings in whatever way you think will be most creative, let me additionally point out that Moses prescribed making equitable recompense at least and exacting equitable retribution at most (i.e., 'justice' as a principle), Jesus promoted repentance and forgiveness (i.e., 'mercy'), and Muhammad advocated both sets of ways of dealing with what were thought of as 'rights' and 'wrongs', because most people in their times and places tended to get so caught up in 'good vs. bad' judgmentalism and consequent chains of negative emotional and behavioral reaction that healthy relational homeostasis couldn't be (re)established and maintained without such formula-devices. Those who truly understand and appreciate what Life is about and therefore seek to live in accord with the Logos (or logic, in the sense of 'rationale') of Creativity, however, recognize the pitfalls that attend blind reliance on procedural guidelines, and so rely directly on Intelligence [added comment: which is one of the main 'characteristics' of 'God' as I under·stand what that label references] to expand their awareness of what actually leads people to cause and suffer injury and pain, project probable consequences of possible courses of action in response to them, and learn to do better by assessing the actual results of their and others' choices in this regard as they go along, instead.

Not dwelling on 'sins' and consequent injury and pain any longer than is necessary to learn whatever lessons may profitably be learned from them, in dealing with problematic situations stemming from interpersonal transgressions and violations, they decide whether and to what degree to be disciplinary and demanding of retribution and whether and to what degree to be magnanimous or conciliatory, for example, as well as whether other kinds of tactics and approaches more specifically focused on education and rehabilitation are called for, by dispassionately determining which or what combination of these is likely to result in the greatest degree of personal and social well-being, given the specifics of each situation and the particular sensibilities of those involved. Instead of just emotionally 'satisfying' themselves and others and restoring social homeostasis by acting and getting others to act in accordance with culturally formulated notions of justice and mercy, they use their knowledge of the truth to face, deal with, assuage and move past whatever anger, guilt or other kind of upset may have been (or yet be) roused by injury and pain, and creatively act to raise consciousness and elicit behaviors that are loving and non-violational in the first place.

If you, perchance, should wish to reference the foonotes from the above passage (which have been left out here) or the preseding and postceeding text for con·text :), click HERE (http://www.godspeak2000.net/6a/6074.htm).

IOW, there is a whole other (IMO, more 'transcendant') way of looking at the same thangs, including the notion of a 'jealous' God. I personally think-n-believe it is 'high' 'time' that 'we' (as a 'species' generally, as well as 'you' personally) went 'beyond' (i.e. 'transcended') such notions and ways of 'looking at' and 'feeling about' things. That, too, is a matter of 'opinion', however.

David B)

[rich]

David, the way Richie was taught about God, was in a Lutheran Sunday School, back in the 1920's and '30's, when I was but a lad. We were taught the meaning of all of the 10 commandments, from a point of view which we had to memorize for each commandment, by first saying, "We should so love and fear God,
a reason is stated, in accordance with the point of view of the churches teaching of any of the commandments. . . . . ".

For example, the way we were supposed to interpret the 1st Commandment, was, We should so love and fear God. Thou shall not worship any graven image, for The Lord Thy God is a Jealous God.

I do not remember the remainder of the meaning of this commandment as taught , for it is over 65 years, and a lot of water
under the bridge since then. I also think that many of the churches have modified their POV's, which would be, IMO , positive. But of course, that would be contingent on what is being modified. Some things also could be very negative.

[rich]

Hmmm.

:unsure:

[thirst4sun]

Well rich, You may end up a year older but also a year wiser :)

[Mental Gremlin]

As i look back on the life that could have been i ask myself...was drinking 2 gallons of Tang a day really the best way to prepare to be an astronaut?

"Its not that i am against the police, i am just scared of them."
Alfred Hitchcock

Every police officer i have ever known, professionally and related to, have been the shiftiest low-life scum ever to walk the planet. They are men who cannot exist without power over other people.

Wait, there was this female officer i had a dalliance with, and she was "alright", if you know what i mean.

I dunno, maybe it was just me, but there ought to be psych profiles done on people who go into professions that give them power over others. maybe we could weed out some of the bad eggs before that spoil the whole dozen. (eggy referenes ROCK!!!)

[sonrisa]

psych profiles would be good. Actually we want that done here (I'm sure by now everybody knows about the Cincinnati cops) but our do nothing mayor won't implement it- or any of the other reforms the DoJ recommended for the police dept here. but there's $ to go get tazers (ie cattle prods) for the cops to use on us citizens. Shows how reform minded the city fathers are here.

[a random hack]

gee, i wonder if slayer wants a job? <_< :lol:

[sonrisa]

Random! that is sooo not funny.

Not bloody likely, either. He'd have to leave his Mama's basement & move here! :lol: