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kkawohl
16th September 2003, 05:37 AM
To understand the concept of who or what God is and whether God exists, one needs to use the “analytical theory of the A priori.” In order to realistically interpret whether God created man or the beginning of God was the result of the consciousness of the first souls that survived physical death one has to start at the beginning of the universe.

Conceptual time is interpreted as being continuous and infinite, having one irreversible dimension. One interpretation of the beginning of the universe is by looking at the “big bang theory” where nothingness, trillions and more years ago, was a vacuum and space at the beginning was empty of matter. An explosion from a compression of atoms, caused the “big bang”. This, in theory, was the beginning of the universe. Some atomic particles possess vast amounts of energy and energy or life and is a fundamental attribute and function of the universe; it infers that an equivalent quantity of physical energy was expended in creating the atom. In the beginning atoms were created from energy and came into existence from nothingness, which can be vacuum or space that is empty of matter.

Upon determining how atoms originated we can then rationalize that atoms formed compounds. Modern atomic theory is generally said to begin with John Dalton, an English chemist and meteorologist who in 1808 published a book on the atmosphere and the behavior of gases that was entitled A New System of Chemical Philosophy. Dalton's theory of atoms rested on four basic ideas: chemical elements were composed of atoms; the atoms of an element were identical in weight; the atoms of different elements had different weights; and atoms combined only in small whole-number ratios, such as 1:1, 1:2, 2:1, 2:3, to form compounds. Continuity is an uninterrupted connection in space, time, operation or development. To have an initial connection or junction, it must have a starting point then continuity. A circle can not be created without a starting point.

In recent years, we have learned that 95% of the Universe is made of a type of matter or energy that we cannot see nor understand. Gravity may ripple across the Universe in waves, and certain cosmic rays, atomic particles moving at near light speed, possess an energy far greater than that which can be explained by modern physics. In the theory of relativity, the intuitive notion of time as an independent entity is replaced by the concept that space and time are intertwined and inseparable aspects of a four-dimensional universe, which is given the name space-time. Einstein sought unsuccessfully for many years to incorporate the theory into a unified field theory valid also for subatomic and electromagnetic phenomena.

Any and all of our scientific facts known presently are applicable only to this physical third dimension. The existence of a fourth dimension its still being vastly debated. If we represent thought and emotion which is not physical, as being spiritual or of the soul, we must then accept the existence of another, a fourth dimension where these processes thrive. Our Mind, Thought, Truth, Intuition, Intelligence, Appreciation and Awareness are all aspects of a spiritual fourth dimension. With the evolution from life forms in the third dimension we can then deduct that the spiritual dimension, God, came about through life in the third dimension. The universe is the encompassment of ALL (matter, energy, space, time) that exists in a physical, material, tangible or intangible, natural or unnatural state in this dimension, Our soul contains the records of our spiritual life within the subconscious and it is composed of consciousness, awareness, thoughts, and emotions. Physically we are all atoms, spiritually we are all energy. Energy exists in both, the physical and spiritual plane. Energy is like electro-magnetic energy, or light. It is carried by photons; it can cross-convert back and forth with solid matter, according to the ratio E=MC^2, and when in the energy form, its propagation speed is limited to C, which is the speed of light, approximately 300,000 km/sec.

Did Life begin on earth? All of what we can presently see of the universe, its billions of stars, the galaxies, and other solar systems with its planets only represent less than 2% of the total existence of the universe. It is naďve of us to assume that throughout the trillions of years past that life has only existed on our small world and therefore the spiritual existence, God, came about through mankind. We can compare our knowledge to the collective spiritual consciousness, the beginning of God and the beginning of life in the universe as that of a two year old child who is just developing its reasoning abilities. Our world status within the universe is comparable to a mere grain of sand, a simple molecule that makes up the vast expanse of the universe.

God is spiritual and is the progressive and accumulative spiritual intelligence of the universe; of all the righteous souls who have passed into the spiritual realm. Spiritual transcendence of a person's spirit into a "Dimensional Beyondness" was achieved by most well known religious leaders. Abraham, Moses, Noah, Jesus, Muhammad, Buddha, Krishna, Bahá'u'lláh, Zoroaster, Ahmad, Nanak and many others of various faiths had achieved spiritual enlightenment by mastering the art of spiritual transcendence. God does not and never has meddled in the tangible universe. It is of no importance during our physical life whether God exists or not if one so chooses. Whether or not one believes in a spirit or God really makes no difference to God. Righteous living will determine the continuance and destiny of our spirit/soul.

One's life can be enhanced by receiving solace and being comforted during life's trials and tribulations by having our spirit inspired and blessed by the Spirit of God. This is normally man's only connection with God except when God’s Spirit interacts with a person’s spirit directly; God’s messenger. However, the Ultimate Truth is indecipherable by the human mind and can only be divulged to the spirit which also often misinterprets its meaning, hence we have various religions and beliefs.

Kurt Kawohl

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Thomas Knierim
16th September 2003, 09:10 AM
Hello Kurt,

As far as I can tell there are some inaccuracies:

trillions and more years ago, was a vacuum and space at the beginning was empty of matter. An explosion from a compression of atoms, caused the “big bang”.

According to the present BB model, there was neither time nor empty space before the BB occurred. Space-time was "pushed out" by the occurrence itself, in particular by a process called hyperinflation. What was there before the singularity is open to speculation. Speaking of a compression of atoms is not adequate, because at the singularity and for quite sometime thereafter atoms did not form due to the enormous density.

Any and all of our scientific facts known presently are applicable only to this physical third dimension. The existence of a fourth dimension its still being vastly debated.

Few people would debate the 4-dimensional space-time model of relativity. It is merely a mathematical model. It does not mean there is a "ghostly" fourth dimension somewhere out there. Special Relativity is corroborated to a degree where it is recognized as factual by the scientific community. What is discussed today is the question how many dimensions are required for string theory or superstring theory that attempts to unify quantum theory with relativity. There may be ten or eleven space dimensions.

Energy is like electro-magnetic energy, or light. It is carried by photons;

For the sake of completeness one may add that energy is not limited to electromagnetism. There are four forms of energy and the respective (hypothesized) carrier particles are photons, gravitons, gluons, W+, and W-.

...atomic particles moving at near light speed,...

I am not sure to what this refers. There are particles moving at near light speed?

I hope you will not interpret my comments as nitpicking. If it should come accross like that please accept my apologies - that wasn't my intention. However, I feel that informal language describing physics or science in general should aim to be extra precise in order to avoid confusion.

Cheers, Thomas

DavidS
17th September 2003, 02:39 AM
Nice job of ex·position, Kurt. Echoing Thomas, I hope you don't take this as 'nitpicking'. It isn't meant in that spirit. I think the way I 'see' thangs is fairly consonant with yours. Just want to make some 'fine' points pertaining to my 'view' clear.

God is spiritual and is the progressive and accumulative spiritual intelligence of the universe;

I would include in the "God"-concept that it is the underlying 'sustainer' of (sustaining-'Force') and 'mover' (or 'moving'-Force) from which "the progressive and accumulated spiritual intelligence of the universe" flower-like 'springs forth'.

Spiritual transcendence of a person's spirit into a "Dimensional Beyondness" was achieved by most well known religious leaders. Abraham, Moses, Noah, Jesus, Muhammad, Buddha, Krishna, Bahá'u'lláh, Zoroaster, Ahmad, Nanak and many others of various faiths had achieved spiritual enlightenment by mastering the art of spiritual transcendence.

I think they also 'mastered' the 'art' of ex·press·ing spiritual 'immanence', as demonstrated by their impact on and influence in relation to the development and flowering of others. IOW, my notion of "God" or "Spiritual Reality" is such that both 'transcendant and 'immanent' 'intelligence' is involved.

Speaking in 'universal-identity'-mergedm 'mystical' terms, from the Gita:

"Earth, water, fire, air, ether, mind, intellect and personality; this is the eightfold division of My Manifested Nature.

This is My inferior Nature; but distinct from this, O Valiant One, know thou that my Superior Nature is the very Life which sustains the universe.

It is the womb of all being; for I am He by Whom the worlds were created and shall be dissolved.

O Arjuna! There is nothing higher than Me; all is strung upon Me as rows of pearls upon a thread.

O Arjuna! I am the Fluidity in water, the Light in the sun and in the moon. I am the mystic syllable Om in the Vedic scriptures, the Sound in ether, the Virility in man.

I am the Fragrance of earth, the Brilliance of fire. I am the Life Force in all beings, and I am the Austerity of the ascetics.

Know, O Arjuna, that I am the eternal Seed of being; I am the Intelligence of the intelligent, the Splendour of the resplendent."

&: "I am the Seed of all being, O Arjuna! No creature moving or unmoving can live without Me."

And from the New Testament: "I am in the Father, and the Father [is] in me."

It's basically just another 'way' of 'addressing' the truth-pie, methinks.

- David

Thomas Knierim
17th September 2003, 09:17 AM
David quoting the Bhagavad Gita: "Earth, water, fire, air, ether, mind, intellect and personality; this is the eightfold division of My Manifested Nature.

Ether??? The Indians had a concept of ether?

Cheers, Thomas

DavidS
19th September 2003, 12:27 AM
Originally posted by Thomas Knierim@Sep 16 2003, 07:17 PM
Ether??? The Indians had a concept of ether?
Don't know on what basis Purohit Swami came up with this 'meaning'.

Here are some parallel translations of the passage: "Earth, water, fire, air, ether, mind, intellect and personality; this is the eightfold division of My Manifested Nature."

From the translation by William Q. Judge: "Earth, water, fire, air and akâsa, Manas, Buddhi and ankara is the eightfold division of my nature."

From the translation by Eknath Easwaran: "Warth, water, fire, air, akâsa, mind, intellect, and ego -- these are the eight divisions of my prakriti."

Alas, this makes us no wiser regarding the akâsa thang. :huh:

Thomas Knierim
19th September 2003, 09:16 AM
David: Alas, this makes us no wiser regarding the akâsa thang.

Perhaps it does. The word akâsa seems to be the same in Sanskrit and Pali. Here is the Pali Text Society's dictionary definition:

(p. 93) [Sk. akasa fr. a + kas, lit. shining forth, i. e. the illuminated space] air, sky, atmosphere; space. On the concept see Cpd. 5, 16, 226. On a fanciful etym. of akasa (fr. a + kassati of krs) at DhsA 325 see Dhs trsl. 178. <-> D I.55 (°n indriyani sankamanti the sense--faculties pass into space); III.224, 253, 262, 265; S III.207; IV.218; V.49, 264; J I.253; II.353; III.52, 188; IV.154; VI.126; Sn 944, 1065; Nd1 428; Pv II.118; SnA 110, 152; PvA 93; Sdhp 42, 464. --akasena gacchati to go through the air PvA 75 (agacch°), 103, 105, 162; °ena carati id. J II.103; °e gacchati id. PvA 65 (cando). -- Formula "ananto akaso" freq.; e. g. at D I.183; A II.184; IV. 40, 410 sq.; V.345.
nn--anta "the end of the sky", the sky, the air (on °anta see anta1 4) J VI.89. --ananca (or ananca) the infinity ef space, in cpd. °ayatana the sphere or plane of the infinity of space, the "space--infinity--plane", the sphere of unbounded space. The consciousness of this sphere forms the first one of the 4 (or 6) higher attainments or recognitions of the mind, standing beyond the fourth jhana, viz. (1) akas°, (2) vinnancananc--ayatana (3) akincann°, (4) nceva sannanasann°, (5) nirodha, (6) phala. -- D I.34, 183; II.70, 112, 156; III.224, 262 sq.; M I.41, 159.; III. 27, 44; S V.119; Ps I.36; Dhs 205, 501, 579, 1418; Nett 26, 39; Vism 326, 340, 453; DA I.120 (see Nd2 under akasa; Dhs 265 sq.; Dhs trsl. 71). As classed with jhana see also Nd2 672 (sadhu--viharin). --kasina one of the kasincayatanas (see under kasina) D III.268; A I.41. --ganga N. of the celestial river J I.95; III.344. --gamana going through the air (as a trick of elephants) Miln 201. --carika walking through the air J II.103. --carin = °carika VvA 6. --ttha living in the sky (of devata) Bu I.29; Miln 181, 285; KhA 120; SnA 476. --tala upper story, terrace on the top of a palace SnA 87. --dhatu the element of space D III.247; M I.423; III.31; A I.176; III.34; Dhs 638.

Cheers, Thomas

DavidS
20th September 2003, 12:35 AM
That was an amazing 'dictionary demon', Thomas - thanks for the whirling-dervish 'dizzy' :blink:

The Great One
15th October 2003, 12:00 AM
God? Gods? They are but inventions of an anxious race in an attempt to cope with its own mortality.

a random hack
15th October 2003, 07:38 AM
God? Gods? They are but inventions of an anxious race in an attempt to cope with its own mortality.
i thought that was cardiologists...:lol:

sahyo
15th October 2003, 10:09 AM
:lol:

DavidS
16th October 2003, 01:52 AM
Originally posted by a random hack@Oct 14 2003, 05:38 PM
God? Gods? They are but inventions of an anxious race in an attempt to cope with its own mortality.
i thought that was cardiologists...:lol:
Oh, and I thought they were WMD's . . . I guess they're just one of the 'latest' fads 'indicating' the 'current stage' of our lemming-like, overpopulation-induced, mad·ness-dis·ease! :lol:

a random hack
16th October 2003, 07:59 AM
:lol: