The Ten Commandments

[vicente]

The problem with America is christians, and their Abrahamic confederates,...always has been.
The 10 Commandments are everything America is not,...even a non-corrupted 3rd grader can understand that. http://skepticreport.com/tools/10command.htm

And this insanity that America was founded on christian values,...give me a break,...not your lies. The Founding Fathers loathed christians. Thomas Paine, the Father of the American Revolution and person who coined the term 'United States of America' said: "Among the most detestable villains in history, you could not find one worse than Moses, who gave an order to butcher the boys, to massacre the mothers and then rape the daughters....the most horrible atrocities found in the literature of any nation...is in this filthy book [the Bible]".

America, as the Alabama judge Moore alledges, was not founded on christianity,...in fact: "The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded upon the Christian religion". That statement was drafted in 1796 under George Washington, unanimously ratified by the US Senate, and signed into law by John Adams on June 10, 1797.

If America needs a Constitutional amendment it should be that lying is a crime,...then we can send all these anti-American christians to Iran, so they can truely live in One Nation Under God.

It's time to set the records straight,...the first christian president was the 7th, Andrew Jackson,...who is the only portrait on American currency who was christian.

Washington $1 (deist)
"Gouverneur Morris had often told me that General Washington believed no more of that system (Christianity) than did he himself." Thomas Jefferson, in his private journal

Jefferson $2 (deist)
"I do not find in Christianity one redeeming feature." Thomas Jefferson

Lincoln $5 (deist)
"Mr. Lincoln was not a Christian." Mary Todd Lincoln

Hamilton $10 (deist)

Jackson $20 (christian)

Grant $50 (?)
"Leave the matter of religion to the family altar, the church and the private school supported entirely by private contributions. Keep the church and state forever separate." Ulysses S. Grant

Franklin $100 (deist)
"The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason." Benjamin Franklin

Other deists:
"the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded upon the Christian Religion". President John Adams, 1797

Christianity is the cause of "pride and indolence in the clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution." James Madison

Ethan Allen stopped his own wedding until the presiding judge affirmed that "God" referred to the God of Nature and not to the God of the Bible.

"All religions united with government are more or less inimical to liberty. All, separated from government, are compatible with liberty."
Henry Clay, March 24, 1818

"What you should say to outsiders that a Christian has neither more nor less rights in our Association than an atheist. When our platform becomes too narrow for people of all creeds and of no creeds, I myself shall not stand upon it." Susan B. Anthony

"The Christian system of religion is an outrage on common sense." Thomas Paine

By the way,... I am also an advocate for the banning of all children from any Church, Synogogue or Mosque, till 17 years of age (NC 17). Is religion really any different from pornagraphy, violence, alcohol or drugs?

[rich]

W A R N I N G
To those with children, and would want your children to receive some religious training.Please take these words to heart, for there are those living among us who would like to take our freedom away.

vicente posted words shown here in red, in bold type:

[color=red] By the way,... I am also an advocate for the banning of all children from any Church, Synogogue or Mosque, till 17 years of age (NC 17). Is religion really any different from pornagraphy, violence, alcohol or drugs? </span>


Rich

[vicente]

The question is,...why would any decent, honest person want their children to be indoctrinated, emotionally scared and, as often is the case, permanently limited, by having them exposed to religion, especially the christian religion?

Would it not be better to heed the words of Thomas Paine, the Father of the American Revolution and person who coined the term United States of America,..."Among the most detestable villains in history, you could not find one worse than Moses, who gave an order to butcher the boys, to massacre the mothers and then rape the daughters. One of the most horrible atrocities found in the literature of any nation...is this filthy book [the Bible}".

Perhaps for you RichieT it's OK that children could be exposed to pornagraphy, preditors, drugs, alcohol, cigarettes, violence, lies, etc.

:)

[dog goddess]

how easy it is to blame god.



to find fault with god.

[rich]

Vicente posted this:

Perhaps for you RichieT it's OK that children could be exposed to pornagraphy, preditors, drugs, alcohol, cigarettes, violence, lies, etc.



In other words Vicente, if people trust in the Teachings of Christ, and sent to Sunday School to be taught about God, you are saying, those who teach religious instruction, are going to expose the children to pornagraphy, preditors, drugs, alcohol, cigarettes, violence, lies, etc.

As i was a CCD teacher, for 8 years , when I was a practicing Catholic, and the subjects you mentioned, were not part of our ciriculum . However if you imagined what you are saying as fact, you better be able to prove it, or compress your lips and disable your keyboard. Because what you have written above, is a vicious lie. :angry:

If youdo not agree with the teaching of the Church, that is fine. To try to frighten the parents by telling untruths, is wrong. :huh:

[Polaris]

Vicente: Perhaps for you RichieT it's OK that children could be exposed to pornagraphy, preditors, drugs, alcohol, cigarettes, violence, lies, etc.

:o

Vicente,
This statement is pretty shockingly generalized. The Christian doctrine does not, as far as I am aware, condone porn, drugs, alcohol, cigarettes violence, lies and preditory behavior. Pornography, preditors, drugs, alcohol, cigarettes, violence, and lies exist in all facets of our lives and not just in religious communities. It's a fact that we all have to cope with regardless of our religious background. Many consider their religion and their religious community a safe haven from this and enjoy it their entire lifetime as such. And while I fully admit that sadly, even trusted religious institutions suffer from these same social diseases, these things are introduced into a religious community from society, not the other way around. It comes from without, not from within. A church is just an empty shell of a building without a congregation. A religion would be non-existant without members. As soon as you open your doors to the public you run the risk of letting all elements of society in.. some which you may take comfort in, some which you may fear. Likely if you took a cross-section of the people sitting in church and a cross-section of people sitting in a McDonald's restaurant at lunch hour you'd find a very similar ratio between people who were liars, took drugs, smoked, drank alcohol, are violent, look at porn and are preditors.

I think it is unfair of you to label the Christian religion as the source of these things when it is really every bit as much a victim of these things as you appear to feel you are. Judging from the fervor of your disdain towards organized religion I wonder if maybe you were once victimized by a member of a church. If so, I suggest you seek the aid of a professional to help you deal with your anger.

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