Death

[...]

Death of a stranger

Departed from life and gone back to ice, another delicate being written on paper that burns with his vigour.
Consuming is the cycle that hungers after wholeness present, as death is the only vacancy the past has...

[sahyo]

fullemptyfull

[ianthe]

is death really the end? what if there is nothing after death and this is the only chance we've got to experience existence? . won't that be a scary thing? so i say... carpe diem!!! seize the day! live life with no regrets but do maintain respect for other people. won't this be such a beautiful world to live in if that happens? :rolleyes:

[rich]

ianthe,
I really do not think it is all up to you, as you implied when you wrote, "seize the day." Though I agree that a good mind set is important, their are people whose condition is too far gone with
having illnesses in which there is no known cure. Many will welcome death with open arms, when it comes.

In my POV, if there is a next life, or thinking there is, should receive in the next world the rewards their faith promised them.

Those who do not believe, may they also live in happiness, or at least peaceful slumber or even nothingness through eternity.It would also mean :) the end of all suffering. -_- :) -_-

[...]

Consuming is the cycle that hungers after wholeness present, as death is the only vacancy the past has...

[sahyo]

nighting dark lighting
silenting sings
whispering edgeless songing
dancing no between
still kisses
sunning moonlips
kissing
no where

[Moonchild]

death i think is another phase of life that is really mysterious for nobody really knows what will happen next until you come to the point that you, yourself is in that situation...... :huh:

if there are only ways that we can determine what will happen after we die...... :unsure:

[killervampire]

(ianthe) death is there life after death is there I know it coz I've been there!!! do not question my views

(rich) this not a realization of death or life after this acceptance that we are mere ants playing in the palms of life and death

(Asheera)

kiss of death so smoothly given
fear of life so simply taken
shout out loud for this might be your last breath
look behind you here comes the kiss of death

[killervampire]

(moonchild) death is really a paradox for all living organism. this the only thing that we do know yet we don't. we know death is there but we don't know what is after it

[killervampire]

ianthe - if death is the end of our life line do you think if we travel fast enough we will get over past death and go straight to the start of our life again? that if there is no life after death.

[sahyo]

killervampire :)

just pres'ing'ent




only
thought
thinks
paradox
which
not

[rich]

It is probably more of a probability than a possibility that the words we write on our computers today, shall not become immortal, for all of the technology created in the past several centuries up to and including 2003, will probably be destroyed by the terrorists of this world, if not by a massive epidemic of natural events.

Therefore, since one can not stop that from happening, cheer up. :D :lol: :P

I hope I'm wrong. :unsure:

[Moonchild]

@ Killervampire-----will there be a way of outsmarting death itself???????

death might be the end of our physical being, the end of our learning, since life is an endless learning process, once life gets out of you, everything around you stops, maybe you'll feel numb,motionless.....emptiness swallows you and darkness fills in... :unsure: :(

[...]

Death is beauty, it's the pinacle of life and surfs between male and female, creating from destruction...

[Polaris]

Death knows no gender, no age, no time. It creates nothing, destroys nothing. Death is the absence of life but death itself is never present.

[sahyo]

presentmomenting (living) not begin or end

[Polaris]

presentmomenting (dying) not begin or end.
Not now.
Now ceases.
Now is for living.
:)

[sahyo]

'living' not exclude which people call dying
....changlessingchanging not death like people think

only 'persenting'

:)

[Polaris]

'persenting' = presenting?? :huh:

[sahyo]

oop...yes :)

[rich]

asheera posted:asheera
Posted on Jul 12 2003, 01:06 AM
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presentmomenting (living) not begin or end





But if one goes to next world, while sleeping, living unaware, sleeping, not realizing its body breathed its last breath, does your present momenting statement apply?

[dog goddess]

UNNAMED REMAINS THE BRAVEST SOLDIER


of scenes like these i say,who writes - who'er can write the story? of many a score-aye, thousands, north and south, of unwrit heroes, unknown heroisms, incredible, impromptu, first-class desperations- who tells? no history ever-no poem sings, no music sounds, those bravest men of all- those deeds.
no formal general's report, nor book in the library, nor column in the paper, embalms the bravest, north or south, east or west.

unnamed, unknown, remain and still remain, the bravest soldiers. our manliest-our boys our hardy darlings; no picture gives them.

likely, the typic one of them ( standing, no doubt, for hundreds, thousands,) crawls aside to some bush-clump, or ferny tuft, on recieving his death shot- there sweltering a little while, soaking roots, grass and soil, with red blood- the battle advances, retreats, flits from the scene, sweeps by- and there, haply with pain and suffering (yet less, far less, than is supposed) the last lethargy winds like a serpent round him - the eyes glaze in death- none recks-

perhaps the buriel squads, in truce, a week afterwards, search not the secluded spot-

and there, at last, the Bravest Soldier crumbles in mother earth, unburied and unknown.



walt whitman

[sahyo]

like mushrooming moss worms tips ferns

[a random hack]

what if there is nothing after death and this is the only chance we've got to experience existence?
What if there is nothing after death and this is the only chance we've got to experience "what if there is nothing after death and this is the only chance we've got to experience existence?"?

kiss of death so smoothly given
fear of life so simply taken
shout out loud for this might be your last breath
look behind you here comes the kiss of death
Dun, dun, dun-dun-dun duhduhdun...
Kill, have you written any songs, these lyrics ROCK!

[Polaris]

'persenting' = presenting??

oop...yes

Whew! I thought for as minute there I wasn't understanding what you were saying :) ;)

[sahyo]

;) :)

[...]

You cannot be frightened of the unknown because you do not know what the unknown is and so there is nothing to be afraid of. Death is a word, and it is the word, the image, that creates fear.

http://www.katinkahesselink.net/kr/death.html

[sahyo]

presentmomenting (living) not begin or end



'living' not exclude which people call dying
....changlessingchanging not death like people think

only 'persenting'


from link:

When there is no security there is an endless movement
and life and death are the same.

..., yes :D

[Polaris]

You cannot be frightened of the unknown because you do not know what the unknown is and so there is nothing to be afraid of. Death is a word, and it is the word, the image, that creates fear.

Grease is the word, is the word that you heard
It's got groove, it's got meaning
Grease is the time, is the place, is the motion
Grease is the way we are feeling

This is a life of illusion, lack of control
Laced with confusion - what're we doin' here?

We take the pressure, and we throw away conventionality, belongs to yesterday
There is a chance that we can make it so far
We start believin' now that we can be who we are~grease is the word
(Frankie Valli)

Death is a word, and it is the word, the image, that creates fear.

Forget words. They mean nothing. Death... grease... whatever. It's nothing. The word is NOT the image. The word is a label you may give the image for the purpose of communication but it is NOT the image. The image is the unknown. The image is the known.

Ignorance and projected imagery of the the unknown creates fear.
A person can be ignorant but not fearful.
A person can project imagery but not be fearful.
The presence of the unknown creates fear.

You are walking through the woods. You are surrounded by the sounds of the forest. Creaking of trees leaning in the breeze, the rustling of leaves, the chirping of bird and the soft padding footsteps of woodland creatures as they move about you, the cautious eyes of racoons resting in the trees. You see the trail well marked ahead of you is well marked and you forge ahead with confidence.

Now remove the light.

You hear strange noises you can't identify, you see the glow of eyes from unknown creatures staring at you from the trees, you trip over roots and rocks, get slapped with branches as you pass and you're unsure you're even on the trail. You creep ahead with trepidation, afraid of falling over an unseen obstacle, afraid of getting your eye poked out by an unseen twig, afraid of stumbling upon an angry critter with big teeth.

Same walk in the woods. One with the known...the other with the unknown.

[Polaris]

from link:

When there is no security there is an endless movement
and life and death are the same.

There is an endless movement and life and death are the same regardless of the presence of security.

[sahyo]

There is an endless movement and life and death are the same regardless of the presence of security.


thought'presence of security' not

[rich]

The web site, in ... 's, expresses Death well.

http://www.katinkahesselink.net/kr/death.html

[sahyo]

Ignorance and projected imagery of the the unknown creates fear.
A person can be ignorant but not fearful.
A person can project imagery but not be fearful.
The presence of the unknown creates fear.


no, fearingthinksfearing

[Polaris]

Originally posted by asheera@Jul 13 2003, 12:14 PM

There is an endless movement and life and death are the same regardless of the presence of security.


thought'presence of security' not
Yes, that too. :)

[Polaris]

Originally posted by asheera@Jul 13 2003, 12:53 PM

Ignorance and projected imagery of the the unknown creates fear.
A person can be ignorant but not fearful.
A person can project imagery but not be fearful.
The presence of the unknown creates fear.


no, fearingthinksfearing
:o Right!! I know that. I forgot. :blink:

Temporary lapse of thought/no-thought-brainless-notwithstanding ;) :)

[sahyo]

:)

[Thomas Knierim]

Today my lovely 15 month old German Shepherd was run over by a car and died. He was our favorite dog, calm, intelligent, and very attached to me and my wife. When we walked him through the vegetable plantation last weekend I never thought it would be that last time I see him. We had saved this dog's life two times and I expected that he would accompany us for many years to come. Life is unpredictable. Death is unpredictable. One should cherish every moment. It could be the last.

Cheers, Thomas

[DavidS]

Ahhh, Thomas . . . there is something about the death of an 'innocent' which is particularly poignant. I have lost two dogs to 'death'. The first was when I was around 5; a golden retriever (RAF) to whom I was very closely bonded. As I remember, I was inconsolable for quite a while. The second was a tricolor collie (KIM) who I personally had 'put down' due to seriously deteriorating health at the end of a full life. That was gut-wrenching enough.

May your heartache dissolve into the repository of warm memories soon.

David

[Polaris]

Very sorry, Thomas.

The loss you feel when somebody (pets included) dies is validation that life means something.

[rich]

Dear Thomas,

Very sorry to hear about the loss of your dog.

Perhaps you will find another pup soon, to fill the place of the one that was killed.

Good Luck, :)

[...]

..the emotions we feel when a cherished one has died are as natural as death is, neither ought to be unwanted...

[sahyo]

"emotions"?
"cherished one"?

[...]

Yes.

[rich]

Originally posted by asheera@Jul 22 2003, 08:53 AM
"emotions"?
"cherished one"?
asheera, don't you have any? :unsure:

eeeeeeeee- E--- mOtIoNs???

[sahyo]

...

thinking'a'who(which not)-thinkingfeeling-"emotions"-"cherished one"?

[...]

thinking'a'who(which not)-thinkingfeeling-"emotions"-"cherished one"?

Whether it's (which not) or not is irrelevant, ask Thomas how he felt when his dog died and he'll probably tell you they were pretty real...

[sahyo]

"real"?

[rich]

Originally posted by asheera@Jul 24 2003, 02:20 AM
...

thinking'a'who(which not)-thinkingfeeling-"emotions"-"cherished one"?
Originally, Thomas posted this post, which used the word,' cherish'.[color=purple] Today my lovely 15 month old German Shepherd was run over by a car and died. He was our favorite dog, calm, intelligent, and very attached to me and my wife. When we walked him through the vegetable plantation last weekend I never thought it would be that last time I see him. We had saved this dog's life two times and I expected that he would accompany us for many years to come. Life is unpredictable. Death is unpredictable. One should cherish every moment. It could be the last.
Cheers, Thomas </span>

Then, ... used the phrase, cherished one , and asheera. teasing ... , for what purpose, I do not know, and has not expressed a sympathetic response to Thomas, afaik.

She probably has her reasons, so I think I'll shut my big :lol: mouth now.

[rich]

Thomas posted:
One should cherish every moment. It could be the last.

awake, or slumbering, one never knows which breath shall be our last.

[karyn]

In life our greatest instrument is our body. This instrument enables us to complete all the physical activities of life. In death, our greatest instrument is our soul.
Our hearts fail, our bones break, our cells disinegrate. Our bodies die. The greatest instrument we have will die. But theres something stronger inside us. You can never kill a soul. Your soul will live on long after your body has died from the cancer that has destroyed it. Your soul is eternal, the only thing immortal in this world.
Don' t be afraid of death as were only really freeing our souls of the barriers that our bodies force us into. Our souls do not have a color, nor an age, or a sexuality. They are our souls that compose this spirituality that will live on forever.

[DavidS]

Originally posted by karyn@Aug 14 2003, 02:48 PM
Don' t be afraid of death . . .
By way of saying hello, karyn, I don't know how anyone else here 'feels' about the subject, but I look forward to the adventure - :) David

[Thomas Knierim]

...Whether it's (which not) or not is irrelevant, ask Thomas how he felt when his dog died and he'll probably tell you they were pretty real...

Emotions, whatever form they take, are always "real", because they are felt as such, and because they are inextricably woven into the complex network of interactions that occur in our mind and that determine our state of being. It does not really matter what causes them. The cause may very well be an illusion, but the resulting emotion is still real. Emotions can become very subtle as a result of mental discipline, sometimes so subtle that we cannot recognize them, but they are still present.

The case of my German Shepherd is not very different from other deaths of loved ones. Humans (as well as dogs) have a tendency to create relationships and attachments to other beings. Occasionally these bonds take on a spiritual/mental quality that is beyond simple social bonds. These spiritual/mental links have the potential to profoundly influence the state of being of those involved. When such a link is severed by death, mental pain -in the form of sadness- is a natural response to the experience of loss.

I know what I am talking about. In the past twelve month my father has died, three of our dogs have died, and last week my long-time employee, Khun Ding, was killed in a motorcycle accident. He was a very helpful, friendly, and loyal young man, liked by everyone. Khun Ding was an immense help in all of my activities in Thailand. During the many years he worked with us he has become a part of the family. It is difficult to accept that he can't be with us anymore.

Khun Ding's passing is a tragedy for us, and even more so for his family. I am aware of the pain, but I am also aware of the nature of attachment that causes this pain. It is not completely ill-founded to think of our emotional response as being based on an illusion, because the sadness seemingly comes from a lack of realization. Few people do fully understand that all beings/entities are here on "borrowed" time. Or to express it in Buddhist terms, all beings/entities partake in the three characteristics of existence, impermanence, not-self, and "dukkha".

Cheers, Thomas

[sahyo]

dog'ingKhunDing'ingfather'ing

[a random hack]

because the sadness seemingly comes from a lack of realization.

Or to put it another way, a profound and sudden overrealisation....



HOOOOOOOWWWWLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!! :wacko:

[Polaris]

Thomas, certainly you have been dealt a lot of sadness this past year, the most recent loss of your good friend, Khun Ding included.

I think that it's likely that even the most unattached and wisdomly Buddhist still feels a sense of loss and sadness when a dear companion passes on even though he knows that the sadness is a result of a lingering attachment to that person. I truly think that we should appreciate our lives and live our lives as though each day were our last and in doing so we should remember to appreciate the lives of others equally. While we appreciate the lives of others we automatically open ourselves up to potential sorrow when a life suffers and/or passes on. I think this is the basis for compassion. Our understanding of the impermanence of things may still be in tact and functional and we clearly know that death follows life/life follows death, but we are also aware that the sadness we feel at such a loss in our own lives is also impermanent. It is this understand of impermanence that is important in the grieving process because it assures us that the pain is indeed only temporary and that there are still days to be lived and lives to be appreciated.... including our own.

Khun Ding was very fortunate to have a friend like you. :)

[dog goddess]

death doesn't bother me......... i was never ever really here anyways.

[sahyo]

death doesn't bother me......... i was never ever really here anyways.

which is saying "doesn't bother me"?

[theclown]

Death is a journey
A diverse reality
Ancient memory

B)

[rich]

I imagine that death for a Buddhist or Hindu, would be like going to a recycling center. :D :lol: ;)

[sahyo]

""Departed from life and gone back to ice,
another delicate being written on paper that burns with his vigour.
Consuming is the cycle that hungers after wholeness present,
as death is the only vacancy the past has... ""

duskingsunrise
flashes frozen's hotjuicing fleshsip
liquidingwarm glowspraying


stilldrip...

[rich]

;) :D

[sahyo]

;)
:D

[rich]

Little drops of water,
Little grains of sand......forgot the rest of it
:D
;)

[sahyo]

not read-heard which quoted :)

[rich]

searching for my secret corner, for the day i die. -_-