Swimming

[Polaris]

Why can't humans swim naturally? It seems all other animals have an innate ability to swim regardless of their age. Even animals whose bodies seem unsuited for swimming. Yet humans generally have to be taught how to swim. Infants may be able to swim underwater but they don't have the ability to lift their heads out of the water so they drown. Children first learning to swim do an ineffectual bicycle kick and they have trouble staying afloat until they learn how to kick properly out behind them. Adults who don't know how to swim flounder and drown when they find themselves in deep water. Yet animals of any age or shape can usually swim their way to shore.

What's with that? :blink:

[...]

Chimps can't swim either, or very badly. Weren't we related somehow?

[sonrisa]

I never had a problem swimming. Infact I can't remember NOT being able to swim. Ditto with riding a bike, except I do remember the 1st time I did that. After months of looking at it cockeyed (I got the thing for Xmas) I finally got on it one summer afternoon, & rode off, never looking back.
Polaris, maybe babies can swim underwater becuz they remember doing it in the womb when they were fetuses. Just a thought.

[Polaris]

..., I don't know about chimps' swimming ability. I have seen monkeys swim though. :)

Sonrisa, I agree with what you say about babies and the womb. I think that's why they know how to hold their breath. My cousin had her baby in a bathtub full of warm water. Guess it made the clean up afterwards a lot easier. ;)

[a random hack]

water doesn't kill people (as much as)
fear kills people. :)

[Polaris]

water doesn't kill people (as much as)
fear kills people.

Do you think because we're so (allegedly) sentient, that we image fearful things where none exist and as a result we freak out and drown?

My daughter is afraid of fish and even though she is a strong swimmer she tends to go totally ballistic if she's swimming in a lake or ocean and something brushes against her leg. She doesn't wear goggles because she'd rather not see the fish she imagines are down there. :rolleyes: :)

[sonrisa]

Originally posted by a random hack@Jul 3 2003, 08:52 AM
water doesn't kill people (as much as)
fear kills people. :)
I have to go to an aquatherapy class a couple times a week for my back (I have herniated lumbar discs) Whenever we get some new person who's antsy about being in the water I tell them not to worry- if they fall the water will catch them!


Polaris, I don't think fetuses can breathe. That's why the MD smacks the baby's butt when it first comes out- to make it use it's lungs. As for your your counsin's tub- still sounds like a bloody mess to me!! :D

[a random hack]

Do you think because we're so (allegedly) sentient, that we image fearful things where none exist and as a result we freak out and drown?

Yup, sounds good to me. But most animals (appear to) panic 'like a fish out of water' when placed in an unfamiliar enough environment. Just that we seem to have more preconcieved ideas about danger... so it affects us more?? Psychosomatically assisted death?


My daughter is afraid of fish and even though she is a strong swimmer she tends to go totally ballistic if she's swimming in a lake or ocean and something brushes against her leg. She doesn't wear goggles because she'd rather not see the fish she imagines are down there.

S'funny, I just remebered that as a kid I was afraid of the weeds that grew on the bottom of our swimming hole, kinda similar, eh?
Amazing how close fear can drive you to walking, or running more likely, on water :lol:

I tell them not to worry- if they fall the water will catch them!

:lol:

[sonrisa]

Originally posted by a random hack@Jul 6 2003, 10:19 AM
Amazing how close fear can drive you to walking, or running more likely, on water :lol:


uh Random, r u saying that you walked/ran on water? :unsure:

R we developing a Jesus complex here? :blink:

[a random hack]

uh Random, r u saying that you walked/ran on water?

sure felt like doing it, and felt like was moving fast enough to have (in hindsight, at least)

R we developing a Jesus complex here?

Whatcha mean 'we'?
Whatcha mean 'developing'?
Whatcha mean , oh nevermind, this joke is dead :P

[sonrisa]

as a doornail. :lol:

[Polaris]

In university I majored in biology. One summer I took a field biology course where every morning we would trapse all over the countryside looking for new species of plants, animals, insects etc... and every afternoon we would return to the lab with our collection to identify them by their genus species name (if we hadn't already done so in the field) It was grueling!! Awful!!

One morning our professor took us to this "quaking bog". This is a swampy area of peat that encircles ponds etc.. It has a lot of nice plants growing on it like Lady Slippers etc... along with a variety of mosses, bugs and birds. A haven for a field biology class. We all donned our rubber boots and trekked out onto the quaking bog and it was like walking on a waterbed, all sloshing around.

That day I knew fear! I had visions of stepping into a weak spot in the bog surface and slipping under into that horrible swampy murky water underneathe, never to be seen again. That was over 20 years ago and I can still feel my pulse elevate just as I sit here writing about it. Everybody else scampered over that damn bog like they didn't have a care in the world!!

:unsure: :(

[pops]

Hi all...

We are not able to SWIM...Because we have Sixth sense :D , which gives you fear.... ;)

pops

[rich]

I swam over to this thread, from another topic in the Science Forum, because got tired of waiting for a reply. At least, here, I can now more efficiently, even though I can not swim. :)

[sahyo]

thought'processing'past"waiting"future
.....which is processing? ;)

[rich]

oh oh,
thought I swam away. another illusion? or defusion? well, certainly confusion,;i.e.: time marching on, swiftly.too swiftly, but the older one gets, the quicker it marches on, relatively. ;)

[sahyo]

which is processing? "T h i n k i n g, a l w a y s t h i n k i n g."

:) ;)

[rich]

asheera posted:
which is processing? "T h i n k i n g, a l w a y s t h i n k i n g." :) ;)

Good catch asheera, (probably unaware of it),
but before processing, it would have looked like this,
"Thinking, always thinking."
Again I say, "quite observant" ;) :D .

[a random hack]

Is there a difference between 'which is processing?' and 'what is processing?'

I'd like to tak a stab at the second and say "That which is named 'hack' (or 'fred' in RL) is processing."
So, now ask me what names 'hack' :D

Altho in rich's case it might be named '--------------------------------rich----------------------------------'

Doh, a deer, a female deer,
Ray, a flash of golden sun,
Mi, the name I call myself,
Fa, a long, long way to run,
So, a needle pushing thread,
La, the note that follows so,
Te, I drink with jam and bread,
And that brings us back to Doh,
A deer...... :lol:

[rich]

a random hack posted: Is there a difference between 'which is processing?' and 'what is processing?'

I'd like to tak a stab at the second and say "That which is named 'hack' (or 'fred' in RL) is processing."
So, now ask me what names 'hack'

Altho in rich's case it might be named '--------------------------------rich----------------------------------'

I'd like to tak a stab at the second and say "That which is named 'rich' (and?or 'richard/richie' in RL) is processing."
So, now ask me what names 'rich' ?

Altho in asheera's case it might be named '--------------------------------fu*----------------------------------' So, now ask me what names 'asheera' ? <_< :unsure: ;)

P .S. whichwhatwhoisamistereetoo.

[a random hack]

:lol:
(not waving, drowning ;) )

[rich]

Perpetual Motion

People on
thebigview[/b]
come and go,
go and come,
as the case may be,
recite my piece,
express my view,
type my post,
then wait and see,
for a reply to me,
then I'll,
come and go,
go and come,
as the case may be,
recite my piece,
express my view,
type my post,
then wait and see,
for a reply to me,
then I'll, come and go,
go and come,
as the case may be,
recite my piece,
express my view,
type my post,
then wait and see,
for a reply to me,
then I'll,
etc. :D

[rich]

Perpetual Motion
People on
thebigview,

duplicate post deleted

[rich]

Originally posted by rich@Sep 3 2003, 10:55 AM


Perpetual Motion

People on
thebigview
come and go,
go and come,
as the case may be,
recite their piece,
express a view,
type a post,
then wait and see,
for a reply to me,
then will,
come and go,
go and come,
as the case may be,
recite a piece,
express a view,
type a post,
then wait and see,
for a reply to me,
then will
come and go,
go and come,
as the case may be,
etc. :D
Original post above, was edited. :o :blink:

[a random hack]

perpetual motion, that's life :D

[rich]

Originally posted by a random hack@Sep 3 2003, 02:15 PM
perpetual motion, that's life :D
[COLOR=green]Yup,i.e.,When eternal. :D :P

[rich]

Originally posted by rich+Sep 7 2003, 01:59 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (rich @ Sep 7 2003, 01:59 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by -a random hack@Sep 3 2003, 02:15 PM
perpetual motion, that's life :D
Yup,i.e.,When eternal. :D :P [/b]
<!--QuoteBegin--a random hack@Sep 3 2003, 02:15 PM
perpetual motion, that's life :D [/quote]
Yup,i.e.,When eternal. :D :P

[sonrisa]

mmmm.... what about random motion? :D

[rich]

sonrisa,
fred, the hack, posts randomly.
That is how he earned his name.

sonrisa and random,

Have you ever tried Schooner beer? Polaris says,
"one's nose turns blue, when they drink it" .
That is an old Nova Scotia joke. She eeeed to me a glass.
I shlurped it all up. See the 2003 Blackout thread. ;) :lol:
.

[a random hack]

:o

<thought schooners were invented in australia, just loves his beer-ego :D >
<just read further to discover that Schooner is a brand of beer, not a size of beer :D >
<D' oh!>

More beer stuff you never wanted to know! (http://www.australianbeers.com/pubs/ordering/ordering.htm)

[sonrisa]

Sorry, never tried Schooner Beer. Like Random, I have a finicky palate towards beer & don't drink but a couple brands. When I drink beer, that is. Personally I prefer the hard stuff or wine coolers. Mike's Hard Lemonade, & Jim Beam Cola are good too. :P

so Richie, all boarded up for Isabel?

[Polaris]

Richie, are you in Isabel's path? Seek higher ground!

I haven't had any alcohol in about 7 years. Don't miss it at all. Wine gives me a migraine. Don't like the hard stuff and beer just doesn't quench my thirst. So what's the point in drinking. The only reason I could see to drink would be to get drunk.... I dont need that!. :)

[sonrisa]

I don't drink all that much any more myself, just stating my preferences. My daze of drinking to get drunk are long over with, but even to social drink any more, if you're driving, I don't know what it's like up there Polaris, but down here the states are really hard up for $ - they are even ticketing for not wearing your seatbelt, something most states never used to do. But DUI is bad, you can lose your license over it, so I don't drink that much anymore. Only if I'm having the party, or I know I won't be driving anywhere.

[rich]

Hi Polaris,
Hi sonrisa,

Thanx for your concern re; Isabella. We live about 40 miles inland from the ocean. About 5 miles from the Neuse River. Where we live, will not be affected by high water, at least the area where we live has had not that problem. Tall pine trees are more of a prob. So we are not evacuating, staying and praying. :D

sonrisa posted the following:they are even ticketing for not wearing your seatbelt,

Also here the same, while in NC, they even lock you up you for uttering. :o

[sonrisa]

:o uttering what? :o

Good luck to you wih Isabel, Richie. I hope your previous luck holds. My brother used to live in Baton Rouge, which is about as far from the Louisiana Gulf as you are from the Atlanic, maybe a little further, & they get whacked just about every summer. He was in Andrew several years back, & some other ones, I forget their names. There were two last year, the first one veered away & slammed into Mississippi.He was real bummed becuz he had bought all this bottled water & canned food & didn't get to use it ( :rolleyes: I know....) until a few weeks later when the second one slammed into Louisiana & went straight up to Baton Rouge. I said to him, "Are you happy now?" & he said yes. :blink:
He lives in Texas now, about 10 min from the Gulf. Out of the frying pan, into the fire....

ps the Weather Channel sez Isabel's eye is collapsing so that is a good sign :)

[rich]

#3 definition of uttering, according to Thorndike Barton Dictionary link in the computer: uttering is putting counterfeit money into circulation..

Do not think many people are aware of that definition. They usually associate it with something spoken.

Enjoy kidding people as i did in my previous post.Guess I got a rise out of sonrisa. :D :lol: ;) ay?? :unsure:

[sonrisa]

I just looked that up in my Funk & Wagnall's hardcopy dictionary and you're right! I didn't know uttering meant that! Guess ya learn something everyday! Still don't understand why it's illegal tho, I mean we supposedly have freedom of the press in this country...... :)

[sonrisa]

Originally posted by rich@Sep 16 2003, 04:00 AM
Hi Polaris,
Hi sonrisa,

Thanx for your concern re; Isabella. We live about 40 miles inland from the ocean. About 5 miles from the Neuse River. Where we live, will not be affected by high water, at least the area where we live has had not that problem.
You don't think there will be flooding? Last I heard Isabel was a Category 4.

[Polaris]

Up here the RCMP will ticket you for not wearing a seatbelt. Seatbelts are the law and it's actually pretty strickly enforced. When ticket quotas are down they'll set up highway checkpoints, pull every car over and check for seatbelts of ALL occupants, they check for registration, and In Nova Scotia we have to get our cars safety inspected annually so they check the safty inspection sticker as well. A DUI is immediate loss of license for a year and if you refuse the breathalizer you also lose your license. But HEY! Marijuana has been de-criminalized (I do not approve :angry: ) and there's no easy on-the-spot test for that so dope yourself up and go for a drive!!! :angry: <_<

I'm one of those weird weather buffs who has a list full of weather related websites in her bookmarks. I've been watching Isabel since she was a wee bairn of a tropical depression. I could have told you last week she would be hitting NC/VA. My feeling is that it will reduce to a lower Cat 3 storm before it makes landfall but the storm surge, of course, is always the biggest problem and the surge moving ahead of it is currently being driven by a Cat 4 which means you're looking at seas running between 4 - 6 meters (13-20ft). Picture that!! :blink: :o

[sonrisa]

SURF'S UP!!!!!

So do the Mountie's have seatbelts on their horses? <_<

Scuse me for being snide, I guess I'm not used to this seatbelt ticket thing yet, like I said, it hasn't been enforced until recently. Alot of people here aren't used to it. You'll be at a light, & a squad car pulls up in the next lane, & you'll see the people in the car ahead of you hastily pulling their seatbelts over their heads like they were wearing them the whole time!

As for the weed, do the cops really need a test for that? I would think they could just smell it. :blink:

[Polaris]

Seat belts have been law here for years. In fact when I was learning to drive back in the mid-70s although it wasn't law yet, we were required to wear them for our driver's ed course. So I've never not driven without a seat belt. I feel completely exposed without it.

About 20 years ago just after seat belts became manditory my uncle was stopped once by the police. The cop wrote up the ticket and handed it to him and it was for 'failure to obey a sign'. He had coasted through the stop sign without coming to a full stop. Now my uncle is an idiot. He thought his attempted 'stop' was good enough to he was surprised to see what the ticket was for. He said to the cop "Oh! I thought it would be a ticket for me not wearing my seat belt!". Cop got his little pad out... wrote up another ticket. :D

[rich]

sonrisa posted:As for the weed, do the cops really need a test for that? I would think they could just smell it.

Applying the old proverb, "you never smell your own", probably after leaving a car full of marijuna smoke, it would be unnoticable in another car. ;) :lol:

[rich]

Quote Polaris:He said to the cop "Oh! I thought it would be a ticket for me not wearing my seat belt!". Cop got his little pad out... wrote up another ticket.

It's a good thing that he did not have a drink. :lol: ;)

I hope the police officer read to him his rights, about remaining silent, etc. if they didn't, they should have. Or are laws different in Canada? Probably. :D :P

[Polaris]

I don't think you have any rights when you get a traffic ticket. I mean, if you have a problem with it you can refuse to pay and spend a day in court instead trying to prove your innocence. Most people know they're guilty of doing something wrong (usually they have) and just pay the ticket.

No rights at all for a DUI really. Your right is to take the breathalizer and prove your innocence. Denying the breathalizer is the same as admitting guilt. So, if you're sober, you take the breathalizer and all's well.. you're free to go. If you're drunk they nail you for it either way. Is the way it should be, I think :)

[Thomas Knierim]

Polaris: Up here the RCMP will ticket you for not wearing a seatbelt. Seatbelts are the law and it's actually pretty strickly enforced.

I wish some of that Canadian efficiency could be transplanted to Thailand. The truck driver who run over and killed my friend, Khun Ding, last month fled the scene after the accident. The police was able to catch the driver further down the road. He is probably out on bail by now. Later we heard that the trucking company paid the police in order to make the accident look like it was Khun Ding's fault. I can't say if it actually was - I havn't witnessed the accident. Although my father-in-law is trying to use his relationships to the police in that area to reopen the case, it is unlikely that it will be investigated any further. This probably means that Khun Ding's widow and her two-year old kid will miss out on compensation payments. They were not insured and they probably can't afford the cost of litigation. :(

Thomas

[a random hack]

Well, I was gonna add something clever, but now I'm too depressed :(
Oh what the hell...

not much of a drinker anymore, but remember a very happy and unproductive second year at university spent drinking home made lemonade, delicious and no hangover for some reason, not much alchy taste but quite a kick!
Over here, been seatbelt laws as long as I've been driving so used to it, except prefer motorbike anyway. and driving bus, never wear belt, but am breaking the law. but the cops, who get free rides, don't seem to mind :D.

Richie,
how the heck do you know what uttering is?

Applying the old proverb, "you never smell your own", probably after leaving a car full of marijuna smoke, it would be unnoticable in another car. :lol:

About 20 years ago just after seat belts became manditory my uncle was stopped once by the police. The cop wrote up the ticket and handed it to him and it was for 'failure to obey a sign'. He had coasted through the stop sign without coming to a full stop. Now my uncle is an idiot. He thought his attempted 'stop' was good enough to he was surprised to see what the ticket was for. He said to the cop "Oh! I thought it would be a ticket for me not wearing my seat belt!". Cop got his little pad out... wrote up another ticket.
:lol:

[rich]

A Random Hack posted:

Richie,
how the heck do you know what uttering is?

I didn't, until I read about it in the newspaper.

Said to myself, I wondered what he uttered to get a 15 year
prison term.

Kind of a long sentence to receive for muttering a few words,
I thought. ;)

I looked it up in the dictionary, and it was defined as fraud. :(

Then, I was enlightened. :lol: ;) :D

[sonrisa]

Originally posted by Polaris@Sep 16 2003, 08:53 PM
Seat belts have been law here for years.* In fact when I was learning to drive back in the mid-70s although it wasn't law yet, we were required to wear them for our driver's ed course.* So I've never not driven without a seat belt.* I feel completely exposed without it.

About 20 years ago just after seat belts became manditory my uncle was stopped once by the police.* The cop wrote up the ticket and handed it to him and it was for 'failure to obey a sign'.* He had coasted through the stop sign without coming to a full stop.* Now my uncle is an idiot.* He thought his attempted 'stop' was good enough to he was surprised to see what the ticket was for.* He said to the cop "Oh!* I thought it would be a ticket for me not wearing my seat belt!".* Cop got his little pad out... wrote up another ticket.* :D

How to talk to a cop:

Hi Officer, nice day/nite isn't. Let me get my license..." (you know they're gonna ask for it anyhow. Produce license)

then restict answers to "yes Officer", "no Officer" & when s/he gives you back your license (& any accompaning ticket & sez you are free to leave, do so immediately) :)

Sorry to hear about your friend Thomas. It's disgusting that the trucking company is tryng to wiggle out of it & probably will succeed. Unfornately, that is all too commonplace these days. :angry:

[Polaris]

Hit and run must be the lowliest of lows. Cowardly act. :(

At the very least, the truck driver does still have to live with himself. Not exactly pleasant company, I'd say.

The one ticket I have ever had in my entire life (I deserved it) I 'yielded' at a stop sign at an intersection onto the TransCanada highway in New Brunswick. They've since built a new four lane highway but back then it was just two lane and heavily trafficked. I came up to the intersection to make a right turn, saw a long string of 18-wheelers chugging up the hill and in a split second I decided I'd rather be in front of those slow trucks rather than behind, so I put pedal to the metal and pulled out onto the highway. I hadn't even reached cruizing speed when I a saw the flashing lights behind me. Cop was sitting at the store across the road waiting for people just like me. I had absolutely nothing to say except "sorry", I was so obviously wrong. I had my license and registration waiting for him by the time her got to my car window and thanked him for the ticket. <_<

[sahyo]

thanked him for the ticket.


:)

[a random hack]

Then, I was enlightened. :lol: B)



How to talk to a cop:

Hi Officer, nice day/nite isn't. Let me get my license..." (you know they're gonna ask for it anyhow. Produce license)

then restict answers to "yes Officer", "no Officer" & when s/he gives you back your license (& any accompaning ticket & sez you are free to leave, do so immediately)

As Asheera might say ;), no. At least IMO, is better to wait until the cop leaves, then pull out. That way you can keep an eye on them :D Of course, try not to be suss about it, but amazing how long it takes to put licence away...

and thanked him for the ticket
Have done that also, but suspect I sounded just a little insincere... :lol:

[sonrisa]

I stand corrected :)

[a random hack]

I stand corrected

:lol: :lol: :lol: B) :D

[sonrisa]

Some times those cops don't leave right away, they sit there & wait for you to pull back onto the road.

[a random hack]

mmm, 'tis true, but I'm very good at 'fumbling', losing keys, checking mirrors, doing up jacket, putting on helmet, forgetting gloves, dropping things :lol: etc, etc, and if they insist, drive off at ten or fifteen mph under the limit, until they got bored and pass you, or until out of sight. :)

[sonrisa]

:D good strategy! :D

[rich]

Originally posted by a random hack@Sep 22 2003, 04:58 PM
mmm, 'tis true, but I'm very good at 'fumbling', losing keys, checking mirrors, doing up jacket, putting on helmet, forgetting gloves, dropping things :lol: etc, etc, and if they insist, drive off at ten or fifteen mph under the limit, until they got bored and pass you, or until out of sight. :)
(continued, see below)
continued from above: So I crawl along slowly @ 15mph, looking to see if followed. No one there, increase speed to 55 mph, great, not being followed, let's try<span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'> 70 mph. OK, Coast is clear95 MPH, Wow!ERRREEEEEEOWWW Sireeening S</span>LOw. bbut, errrr. :o

[a random hack]

:lol:

Oh well, more " 'fumbling', losing keys, checking mirrors, doing up jacket, putting on helmet, forgetting gloves, dropping things " practice :lol:

[rich]

Random,

If the officer asks you what is taking you so long, [ to find your Drivers License] just tell him that you can not find your lip stick case. :o ;) :lol:

[a random hack]

:lol:
Sure, but here it is against the Law not to carry your lipstick case AT ALL TIMES! :lol:

[rich]

Originally posted by a random hack@Sep 28 2003, 01:58 PM
:lol:
Sure, but here it is against the Law not to carry your lipstick case AT ALL TIMES! :lol:
Hack,

That is a great law. Then you have a means to jot down the arresting officers badge number, before he writes you up. Then you can fax it to your attorney before he issues you a summons.
If you have a good attorney, he may provide you with a sherriffs badge allowing you to make a citizen's arrest of the police officer. Ah, the magic of electronics. ;) {we wish} :lol: :blink:

[a random hack]

hahaha, cool. :lol: B)

Then you have a means to jot down the arresting officers badge number...

Only if you have a windscreen (windshield) handy :D

Then you can fax it to your attorney before he issues you a summons.


<wonders if they make fax machines for motorcycles :D >

[sonrisa]

u flippin off da cops, Random?

:D

[a random hack]

not to their faces :lol:

[sonrisa]

:lol: :P

[a random hack]

careful sonrisa,
the wind might change, and then your face will stay like that FOREVER!!! :lol::lol:
at least, that's what my mum used to tell me when i was young and made horrible faces.... :unsure: :blink: :huh:

[sonrisa]

so long as it changes to Claudia Schiffer's :)

[Polaris]

Originally posted by a random hack@Oct 5 2003, 10:57 PM
careful sonrisa,
the wind might change, and then your face will stay like that FOREVER!!! :lol::lol:
at least, that's what my mum used to tell me when i was young and made horrible faces.... :unsure: :blink: :huh:
I was told that also!!

You mean it's not true??!! :o :angry:

[a random hack]

so long as it changes to Claudia Schiffer's
but what will cs do without her face?

You mean it's not true??!!
don't know, never brave enough to find out...;) :lol:

[sonrisa]

Originally posted by a random hack@Oct 8 2003, 02:55 PM
so long as it changes to Claudia Schiffer's
but what will cs do without her face?


mmmm.....good question :P

[Polaris]

Originally posted by a random hack@Oct 8 2003, 04:55 AM
so long as it changes to Claudia Schiffer's
but what will cs do without her face?


She other other attributes she can draw upon to get her through those rough faceless times.

[sonrisa]

good answer :)

[a random hack]

:lol:
:rolleyes:

[shifu]

[Why can't humans swim naturally?]. In Evolutionist/Naturalist theories, when human is still within the bound of Nature [i.e. the state of humans prior to conciseness], Humans are capable of doing everything within its bound. However, when that first flick of awareness came into being, Humans, as he/she enriched her/him self with newly found consciousness, slowly departs from Nature, thus, unlearned the Natural mechanisms he/she possessed when he/she is still within the bounds of Nature. :rolleyes: . Human specie lost the Natural ability to survive at birth.

shifu

[DavidS]

Originally posted by shifu@Oct 30 2003, 09:08 PM
However, when that first flick of awareness came into being, Humans, as he/she enriched her/him self with newly found consciousness, slowly departs from Nature, thus, unlearned the Natural mechanisms he/she possessed when he/she is still within the bounds of Nature. :rolleyes: .
Reminds me of: "As the one Sun illuminates the whole earth, so the Lord illumines the whole universe. Those who with the eyes of wisdom thus see the difference between Matter and Spirit, and know how to liberate Life from the Law of Nature, they attain the Supreme." (The Bhagavad Gita, Ch.13)

Human specie lost the Natural ability to survive at birth.
I don't think this 'observation' of yours bolsters your 'argument' in this case - there are numerous species in which the young could not 'survive' without the active assistance and forbearance of 'relatives'. The basic thesis stands on its own in any case, I think.

[a random hack]

She other other attributes she can draw upon to get her through those rough faceless times
wouldn't mind making use of ms CS's 'other attributes' :o :D :lol: ;) :blink:

[sonrisa]

Ah Random, good to see that dialysis don't keep you down!! :P

[shifu]

David S.
[I don't think this 'observation' of yours bolsters your 'argument' in this case - there are numerous species in which the young could not 'survive' without the active assistance and forbearance of 'relatives'. The basic thesis stands on its own in any case, I think. ]Sir David S., At least in swimming :) . Joking aside :D . Yes, you have a point there Sir. But observation also teaches us that human specie had an inferior chance of natural survival compared to the other specie in the animal kingdom. I suppose-speculate this is due to human’s awareness/consciousness of his/her environment. Fear may also be factor.

shifu

[thirst4sun]

I beleive that humans can not naturally swim because swimming was not nessesary to survive in nature.

[a random hack]

so what happened 'in nature' if they fell in a river?

[sonrisa]

they drowned, of course.... or learned to swim! :D

Or perhaps I should say re-learned to swim, fetuses swim inside their mothers. So swimming is a natural ability, but like anything else, if ya don't use it, ya lose it.

[a random hack]

:D

as you can see, i smile regularly :)

[sonrisa]

that's good! Better than frowning! :)

[Polaris]

better than drowning too! :D

[a random hack]

<chuckle> :D :D

[shifu]

swimming still ;)

shifu

[sonrisa]

well, it's nice to see we're all getting along so.... swimmingly!! :P :D

[DavidS]

Originally posted by sonrisa@Nov 20 2003, 01:06 AM
well, it's nice to see we're all getting along so.... swimmingly!! :P :D
'Feels' nice to get along swimmingly, too, don't it?
not-:P, :D

[shifu]

which is far more better...to swim along with the current or against the tide? :D Juz want to add some thought while swimming :rolleyes:

Don't get drowned peps! :lol:

shifu - swimming still.....

[rich]

It is now, 10:16 :lol: Pm 11/2/03, EST, but no one else seems to be swimming anywhere in thebigview, but me. Need a lifeline to continue. Glug blub bubbles ;)

[shifu]

Life is so dear, Rich! Don't lose hope...im a good swimmer :D

shifu

[rich]

Was wondering where the other posters went. They probably are not retired like me, and have work to do. :unsure:
Still it appears that some watch the bulletin board as guests, all day and never log-in to make a post. maybe they fear the waters. :lol: ;) Glad to hear you are a strong swimmer. :)

[sonrisa]

well I, for one, have been out chasing down cranberry salad. I got some over the weekend at the local open air market, it's a homemade specialty of one of the shops down there. Then I made the huge mistake of bringing it out to my Mom's. I told her it was for Thurs at my cousin's house, but that she could skim some off the top if she wanted to. I can't remember the ensuing argument word for word, but her side was basically, "Forget them, you know I love this stuff. There won't be enough left to take over there after I take what I want. I'm keeping it." So I'm like, OK, I'll just go back & get some more. Except when I went back there on Tues they didn't have any more, & they wouldn't have any the next day. It's flippin Thanxgiving week & they didn't make enough of this cranberry stuff. :rolleyes:
So I go looking around for something similar at some delis but to no avail. I finally had to break down & go to the WD. The stuff they have is OK, but nothing near as good as the homemade stuff. Oh well. Maybe Mom's right in this case: forget them. THe only time we see these people is on Thanxgiving anyhow. I'm sure the stuff from the WD will be just fine. :)

[shifu]

Rich juz a thought...they be some of them got drowned. :o or by any means, nature teach us many ways to survive. :rolleyes:

shifu

[DavidS]

Originally posted by sonrisa@Nov 26 2003, 11:02 PM
finally had to break down & go to the WD.
I enjoyed the (account of) the 'morality play', sonrisa - but what the heck does WD stand for? I know about the WC :o, but the WD designation is completely new to me.

[rich]

David,

I think WD may be a supermarket, by the name of Winn-Dixie, but ICBW. Didn't realize they have stores in Ohio. :lol:

[sonrisa]

yes Richie, we have Winn-Dixies here. I didn't feel like typing it out- & neither do they, evidently, all you see in those stores are the WD letters & that checkmark.

[DavidS]

Hi sonrisa (and richie) -

Thanks for filling me in, but now I'm tempted to ask about 'that checkmark' - but I'll desist - will just 'figure' that Winn-Dixie is 'using' a checkmark symbol to 'capitalize' on people's 'fond' associations-conditioning with checkmarks the got at various points on their returned submitted-'homework' assignments.

Regarding my 'morality play' comment: after I posted, my began ruminating about how 'gift giving' behavior may be the 'human' equivalent of 'grooming' behavior in various primate species. Serves as a 'social bonding' 'mechanism'.

Just saw a TV Discovery Channel show on baboons, where it was pointed out that such behavior was, or at least could be, quite 'political' -- who you 'groom' and thereby 'establish' 'bonds' with can be quite a significant 'determiner' of social status/position.

Interestingly, it also showed male baboons deliberately picking up and holding onto little child-baboons, because the child-presence automatically (instinctually?) deflected and diffused aggressive attacks.

Please note: Am not saying that your motivation in terms of giving the 'best' kind of 'cranberry salad' to this or that 'relative' was 'political' in any way, sonrisa, but I was quite tickled by your Mom's sense that your 'bond' with her was more 'important' and that she therefore was more 'deserving', your cousins etc. being relationally 'perpipheral' (only seen and related to once or few times annually, etc.), and that it was therefore 'right' that she get the 'gift' - which it probably was IMO as well, 'morality' really being a functionally practical matter of what will 'work' for the 'best' in overall terms (again, IMO).

The 'Christian' notion of 'selfless' 'giving' (to each according to 'need') does strike me as often just serving as (hypocritical) 'cover' for the kind of self-serving, status-in-the-social-hierarchy 'maintaining', political behavior that is 'typical' of primate 'societies'. It's 'funny' how higher-self/lower-self 'motivations' so easily commingle, the latter getting 'dressed up' as the former.

Just musing along - David :)