Personal Beliefs

[sahyo]

'do-ee' is my attempt to use variations of the word you initially used.

"Adorer is always a victim."


:)

is doer"do-ee"?...is "victim"?
....is "Adorer is always a victim"?

[sahyo]

I hope to be spared that kind of "loving" in my life.


can judge which happens?....is lovingnotloving?, polaris


after knife, happened which people call calm....no fearing....looked the eyes the males....only one male didn't fear looking and avoid, though at first he looked away a few times.....then he didn't look away even alittle......just............he ceased looking as though looking 'at'......then wasn't which people call rape, or sex...........started happening he couldn't continue

which is called leader demanded he hurry and finish......he asked them to turn so couldn't see....the leader said he would ask asheera if he'd finished so not to try lying.....when they were turned he whispered "i can't do this......please help me.....nod if you will"...........nodded yes..............he then stood saying "finished".......the leader asked if he finished, nodded yes

weeks later he called to cross a street to talk with him.......he was alone but didn't want to cross the street since might happen attack quesnel gangs if he crossed......kids which was walking with said "don't cross to talk to him", but did.......he spoke gentle.......said he was sorry which happened and he'd quit the gang..........then said "if you weren't so young i would ask you out, but your too young" (was 13)........never saw or heard of him with the gang again.....did hear liked 'alone' alot....people like him and thought it strange he liked 'alone' and not want sharing like they would have liked

[Polaris]

Thanks for the reminder. Must be I have this old age thing happening that make me... er... forget stuff.

I would have to say that I have possibly made the rapist a victim by calling him a filthy. However, likewise, he might very well be "filthy" both in the physical sense and in the "moral" sense.

is doer"do-ee"?...is "victim"?
....is "Adorer is always a victim"?


Okay, something's going on here. Asheera, are you getting at something, probably having to do with my use of the word "victim" ?? :unsure:

When I use the word "victim" I'm using it to describe one who suffers.

In this context (I think BB & I have already established that for the sake of communication or sometimes miscommunication;), some words may be used in more than one context) I would suggest that an adorer is somebody who has an strong attachement to a person or thing and thus suffers.

[Polaris]

Originally posted by asheera@Oct 19 2003, 12:07 PM

I hope to be spared that kind of "loving" in my life.


can judge which happens?....is lovingnotloving?, polaris


after knife,...
Asheera?? :o :(

Rapist was raped by gang.
Not compassionate gang
Not compassionate gang member
Compassionate Asheera
Then compassionate non-gang member

:(

[sahyo]

was responsing polaris,
but body like floating almost sleeping....body hasn't slept yet

respond when body rested

:)

[sahyo]

I would have to say that I have possibly made the rapist a victim by calling him a filthy. However, likewise, he might very well be "filthy" both in the physical sense and in the "moral" sense.

....and if not think'defining'labeling?

*
is doer"do-ee"?...is "victim"?
....is "Adorer is always a victim"?


Okay, something's going on here. Asheera, are you getting at something, probably having to do with my use of the word "victim" ??

When I use the word "victim" I'm using it to describe one who suffers.

no not about using word "victim" :)

is "one who suffers"? if not think identificating when paining

I would suggest that an adorer is somebody who has an strong attachement to a person or thing and thus suffers.

which thinks'believeing'-a"somebody"-"who"-"adoer"notdoer?

"thus"because? "adoer", suffering?....is "adoer"notdoer?

is 'thinking'believing'?

[sahyo]

I hope to be spared that kind of "loving" in my life.


can judge which happens?....is lovingnotloving?, polaris


after knife,...
Asheera?? :o :(

Rapist was raped by gang.
Not compassionate gang
Not compassionate gang member
Compassionate Asheera
Then compassionate non-gang member

:(


sweeting

didn't thinking "compassionate"

happened he glimpsed'tasted' not thinking'othernotother'
when thinking'at' ceased B) :D

[a random hack]

:wacko:

[sahyo]

:lol:

h' confused?

[Polaris]

Originally posted by asheera@Oct 20 2003, 08:35 AM
:lol:

h' confused?
P' definately confused :wacko:

Not feeling *perky* today. Head has been invaded by army of microscopic organisms which cause nose to drip like leaky facet.

[Polaris]

Originally posted by asheera@Oct 19 2003, 08:46 PM
I would have to say that I have possibly made the rapist a victim by calling him a filthy. However, likewise, he might very well be "filthy" both in the physical sense and in the "moral" sense.

....and if not think'defining'labeling?


is doer"do-ee"?...is "victim"?
....is "Adorer is always a victim"?


Okay, something's going on here. Asheera, are you getting at something, probably having to do with my use of the word "victim" ??

When I use the word "victim" I'm using it to describe one who suffers.

no not about using word "victim" :)

is "one who suffers"? if not think identificating when paining

I would suggest that an adorer is somebody who has an strong attachement to a person or thing and thus suffers.

which thinks'believeing'-a"somebody"-"who"-"adoer"notdoer?

"thus"because? "adoer", suffering?....is "adoer"notdoer?

is 'thinking'believing'?
Asheera likenotlike Polaris' over- indulgence in dualism and labels?

Polaris thanks Asheera for making notice of it for her even if this was still not what Asheera was 'getting at'

:)

[sahyo]

Not feeling *perky* today.



huggg

[Polaris]

Originally posted by asheera@Oct 20 2003, 09:27 AM

Not feeling *perky* today.



huggg
Awwww, thanks! :)
Be careful I don't drip on you, though ;)

[sahyo]

Asheera likenotlike Polaris' over- indulgence in dualism and labels?


oh....didn't think"likenotlike"....didn't think"dualism"

Polaris thanks Asheera for making notice of it for her even if this was still not what Asheera was 'getting at'


B), though yes, wasn't "getting at" :)

th"thanks"anks

[sahyo]

Be careful I don't drip on you, though


:D

[DavidS]

Thanks for the windows into your past->present 'I'-eye (or not-'I'-eye, as the case may be) flow-process, BB and asheera. You have been through the 'fiery furnace' and 'the lion's den' and live your truth!
:ph34r: (zen bowing)

[sahyo]

:) thankingbowing

[sahyo]

gniwobowing

;)

[a random hack]

h' confused?

h' not confused, h' :wacko: . and maybe a little :blink:

:D

[sahyo]

:lol: :D

[sahyo]

nos' still dripdanc'ng p'?

:)

[Polaris]

Originally posted by asheera@Oct 21 2003, 05:58 PM
nos' still dripdanc'ng p'?

:)
no, nos' not :)

Much better today :)

[sahyo]

coo(l) :)

[DavidS]

Originally posted by Polaris+Oct 21 2003, 03:39 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Polaris @ Oct 21 2003, 03:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--asheera@Oct 21 2003, 05:58 PM
nos' still dripdanc'ng p'?:)
no, nos' not :)[/b][/quote]
Hey, that sounds like it means the same 'happening thang' as 'pointed to' by: no, no snot :lol: !

Is it the same 'point' that's being 'pointed to' by both statements, or not, I wonder? Whatever the case, 'richer' meaning-shadows emerge when a setting is 'lit' from multiple angles, making a variety of 'gradients' image·in·able, methinks.

Lights..., camera..., action!

Holy·good Director, David B)
:lol:

[Polaris]

Originally posted by DavidS+Oct 22 2003, 04:46 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (DavidS @ Oct 22 2003, 04:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by -Polaris@Oct 21 2003, 03:39 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--asheera@Oct 21 2003, 05:58 PM
nos' still dripdanc'ng p'?:)
no, nos' not :)
Hey, that sounds like it means the same 'happening thang' as 'pointed to' by: no, no snot :lol: !

[/b][/quote]
:o :D

LOL Good catch David! I hadn't even noticed snot in there.

[a random hack]

Stunt snot! stunt snot here!
:lol:

was going to ask whether that runny stuff that's more like water is still snot, which to my mind has a thicker consistency, but grossed myself out :P <brrrr>

[Polaris]

Originally posted by a random hack@Oct 22 2003, 10:38 PM
Stunt snot! stunt snot here!
:lol:

was going to ask whether that runny stuff that's more like water is still snot, which to my mind has a thicker consistency, but grossed myself out :P <brrrr>
I think that anything that comes out of your nose which originates in the sinuses can safely be called snot, from the watery drip-drip type, the the hard and crusty type, to the type that crackles inside your nose as it freezes in there on a really frigid winter day.

I wonder how many different word the Eskimos have for 'snot'? :huh:

[a random hack]

I wonder how many different word the Eskimos have for 'snot'?

prolly as many as they have for seal blubber stew :) :blink:

[rich]

I wonder if after eating seal blubber stew, the Eskimoes have Eskimoe Pie for desert? :unsure: ;)

[a random hack]

:lol:

[sonrisa]

Random I hope that's not a foto of Charles Manson you're posting. If so u r 1 6 boy! :blink:

[a random hack]

do you see a swastika carved into my forehead?

that reminds me, i have a friend with a tattoo of swastika on earlobe, is that bad? :ph34r:

[sahyo]

sonrisa

http://www.mansondirect.com/wrentale.html

[sahyo]

years ago a poem happened, sonrisa :)

the song sang which is called violence,
and which much tearing happened when writing

the poem described a man beating a little girl until the body died

didn't tearing for the little girl....loving, she saw the man fearing....she didn't fear....she remained untouched

teared for the man....after the body was dead....he picked it up and loving rocked it....he was so fearing he could only loving after the body died....
he could only loving when 'seemed' safe

[sonrisa]

that's sad, asheera. :(

Sorry Random, didn't mean to offend... forgot about the swastika, just noticed the slack jaw & glazed eyeballs...

were u high when they took that foto?

[sahyo]

did read 'the wren tale' also, sonrisa? :)

[a random hack]

sonrisa,
am not offended :)
were u high when they took that foto?
can't remember, smoked too much pot, my memory is shot! :lol:

hey asheera, that wrenstale is someting else! :)
thinking 'can't judgea book by cover', thinking amazed 'such' could come from 'such', hidden(?) depths, media con(?), wow, perception... :D

Random I hope that's not a foto of Charles Manson you're posting. If so u r 1 6 boy!
if is not, am not? :)

[rich]

Miss asheera,

If you were a member of the parole board, would you vote pro or against Manson's parole?
In no way, would or could vote for his parole. :)

[sahyo]

posting, richie ;)

[sahyo]

h'ck :D

[sonrisa]

Originally posted by asheera@Oct 28 2003, 05:07 AM
did read 'the wren tale' also, sonrisa? :)
I did just now, for some reason I couldn't get into the site yesterday, but I was able to surf around in it today. Interesting reading.

Here is the local story about Charles Manson, one of Cincinnati's um, "finest" :blink: :
His Mom was a hooker down on Vine St, in OTR (one of the City's more unsavory neighborhoods) & she used to send Charlie out on Vine to get johns & bring them up to her. One day when he was around 12, so the story goes, she did him herself, then went around bragging to everybody in OTR that he was the best lay she ever had. Or so the story goes.

[sahyo]

story whether happened or not :)

[sonrisa]

yeah, Cincinnati's very own urban legend B)

[sonrisa]

Originally posted by a random hack@Oct 28 2003, 10:06 AM
sonrisa,
am not offended :)
were u high when they took that foto?
can't remember, smoked too much pot, my memory is shot! :lol:

Random I hope that's not a foto of Charles Manson you're posting. If so u r 1 6 boy!
if is not, am not? :)

mmmm, gimme a couple daze 2 mull it over..... B)

[rich]

Sonrisa,

OTR= ????? :unsure:

Those lettersmust mean something?

[DavidS]

Originally posted by sonrisa@Oct 27 2003, 09:23 AM
were u high when they took that foto?
My sympathies, hack -- can't imagine what kind of 'karma' pattern is 'reflected' in your being such a this-guy's-a-wierdo-reaction 'magnet'!
:lol:

[sahyo]

'can't judgea book by cover'


sonrisa :)

since reading 'the wren tale' sonrisa still think people which 'haps 'seems'?


can sonrisa still say:


Random I hope that's not a foto of Charles Manson you're posting. If so u r 1 6 boy!


as though?

[sonrisa]

Originally posted by rich@Oct 28 2003, 10:40 PM
Sonrisa,

OTR= ????? :unsure:

Those lettersmust mean something?


sure they do. :D I didn't feel like typing it out. Most folx don't, that's why it's called OTR. Sorta like LA. :)

as though what, asheera?

[sahyo]

just "as though", sonrisa :)

[rich]

O T R Is it too much to let me know what it means? I do not think that a direct answer would be an impossibility, :huh: or at least admit that you do not know.
:o :blink:

[sonrisa]

Thomas, we need a "sigh" dude!

Over-The-Rhine. Happy? B)

[rich]

Sonrisa,

Thanks, now what Rhine are they referring to?

The Rhine River?
A bottle of Rhine wine?
The Rhineland, (Germany) ?

What does being over mean?

The meaning of Over The Rhine ?

Hope my questions do not exasperate you too much,
since you saw it fit to request a sigh icon from Thomas. ;) :D :lol:

[a random hack]

can't quote on this machine, so bear with me (but is free...)

Asheera,
are you going to accept rich's invitation to judge Charles Manson without having met the man? assuming you haven't... :huh:

regarding David's perception of 'this guy's a weirdo reaction' magnet - karma, so what? actually never thought of it like this... shit, maybe to some, I am a 'weirdo'...:lol:

speaking of wren poetry, saw a scrub turkey being harassed by a pair of indian mynahs this morning, tho they seemed totally unconcerned by my prescence...

[sahyo]

Asheera,
are you going to accept rich's invitation to judge Charles Manson without having met the man? assuming you haven't... :huh:


"judge"? ;)


saw a scrub turkey being harassed by a pair of indian mynahs this morning, tho they seemed totally unconcerned by my prescence...


:D :D

[a random hack]

"judge"?

maybe just a little, thanks :D

[sahyo]

thanks :D

[Polaris]

OTR... Well if it were Hack talking I might suggest OTR = Over The Rainbow = Oz ;)

[rich]

Hack,

Never mind asheera's accepting rich's invitation re; judging Manson.
No need to beg for her response.


Sonrisa,

Thanks for Over The Rhine response, but what does it mean? :sigh:

[sahyo]

responded, richie :)

[rich]

Originally posted by asheera@Oct 30 2003, 04:52 AM
responded, richie :)
True, but did not see the bottom line, i.e:Asheera's Judgment :lol:

[sahyo]

"bottom line"? :)

[rich]

miss asheera, many days ago, mister rich posted,
Miss asheera,

If you were a member of the parole board, would you vote pro or against Manson's parole?

This post was answered by miss asheera by a am posting richie.:) response.. Preceding quote from my memory, not verbatum' iow, words to that effect.

"bottom line" actually would be an answer from you to the question, If you were a member of the parole board, would you vote pro or against Manson's parole? A simple Yes or No answer would suffice. But if you care not to reply, that is your choice. Shall not 'twist your arm' anymore' in pursuit of an answer. :P :D

[sahyo]

posting, richie ;)




"bottom line" actually would be an answer from you to the question, If you were a member of the parole board, would you vote pro or against Manson's parole? A simple Yes or No answer would suffice.



:)

[rich]

Oh well :rolleyes: ;)

[sahyo]

;) :)

[rich]

:blink: :D :wacko: ;) :lol:

[sahyo]

:lol: :D :lol:

[rich]

:angry: :rolleyes: <_<

Interesting conversation. :D ;)

[sahyo]

hehehe ;) :D

[rich]

They say 1 (ONE) picture says is worth 1000 words. How many words does :o :o :P :S -_- = ?

[a random hack]

could also say one sentence is worth a thousand pictures... depends on who is measuring, i guess...

[a random hack]

Asheera,
are you going to accept rich's invitation to judge Charles Manson without having met the man? assuming you haven't... "judge"?
AH, I see :). no, was refering 'assuming you haven't' to 'met', rather than 'judge'...:lol: silly me :wub:

[sonrisa]

uh, Random, shouldn't you be hacking up pumpkins & out terrorizing the neighbors with them?
ps, if they give you any apples, be sure & cut them up when you get home. And throw away any unwrapped candy! :D

[sonrisa]

Originally posted by rich@Oct 29 2003, 11:32 PM


Sonrisa,

Thanks for Over The Rhine response, but what does it mean? :sigh:
that is why I didn't wanna hafta type it out- becuz the full name would mean nothing to you.
years ago there used to be a canal that separated OTR from the surrounding neighborhoods. The canal was referred to as the Rhine, & OTR as Over-The-Rhine. End of subject.

[sahyo]

:wub:,
did read as were referring :),
does matter if judging 'met' or not?
:wub:

[rich]

End of subject.

Yes, thanks for info, anyway. :)

[a random hack]

if they give you any apples, be sure & cut them up when you get home. And throw away any unwrapped candy!

sonrisa,
I know someone who had exactly the same thoughts as you did...
and we're not really into pumpkin molesting over here...


did read as were referring ,
does matter if judging 'met' or not?

asheera,
oh, wasn't sure.
seems meeting only matters if want to have perception of (slightly more) accurate judgement of 'manson'.... perhaps ;) :lol:

[sonrisa]

pumpkin molesting?!!!? :lol: :lol:

[sahyo]

seems meeting only matters if want to have perception of (slightly more) accurate judgement of 'manson'.... perhaps ;) :lol:


:D

[rich]

manson ain't a hero to me.Do not need a better perception of the guy.
:P :D

[sahyo]

not 'about' "better perception of", rich :P :)

[thirst4sun]

I have a combination of religios beleifs. I joined this site to search for new ideas and to find the truth.

[a random hack]

I joined this site to search for new ideas and to find the truth.

no man can serve two masters :) (http://www.bartleby.com/59/1/nomancanserv.html)

[sonrisa]

why serve any master? Why not be the master?


Tis better to reign in hell than to serve in heaven. John Milton

[shifu]

I have a combination of religios beleifs. I joined this site to search for new ideas and to find the truth.

thirst4sun, welcome!

just open up like an empty glass that need to filled with water.

shifu

[shifu]

I have a combination of religios beleifs. I joined this site to search for new ideas and to find the truth.

thirst4sun, welcome!

just open up like an empty glass that need to filled with water.

no man can serve two masters :)

Hack! where are the women?

shifu

[a random hack]

why serve any master? Why not be the master?

seems to be the master is still to serve a master....

Hack! where are the women?
they watching the voices in your head :D

[shifu]

they watching the voices in your head :D

what? :(

shifu

[sahyo]

to be the master is still to serve a master....


:D)))

[rich]

Originally posted by a random hack@Nov 21 2003, 09:21 AM
why serve any master? Why not be the master?

seems to be the master is still to serve a master....

DO YOU MEAN, sELF sERVICE?

Hack! where are the women?
MAN Y WOMEN HERE IN THIS FORUM.
Remember, there was no sin before women.
At least nothing reportable. Why?
NO PEOPLE!

they watching the voices in your head :D


Ha ha, good one Hack. Women observing VOICES in Mr. Shifu's head. Wonder if they are listening to these VOICES
I wonder if any of us really are listening?
Please forgive us if we take care of our basic needs first.
Or is that wrong to do?
[COLOR=orange]

[sonrisa]

Originally posted by rich@Nov 21 2003, 05:32 PM

they watching the voices in your head :D

[color=orange]
Ha ha, good one Hack. Women observing VOICES in Mr. Shifu's head. Wonder if they are listening to these VOICES
I wonder if any of us really are listening?



to what? the voices in shifu's head? What for? Give the boy some privacy for Chrissake! <_<

[sahyo]

:lol:

[a random hack]

QUOTE
why serve any master? Why not be the master?


seems to be the master is still to serve a master....

DO YOU MEAN, sELF sERVICE?

hmm, could mean, being master means having to act like master....

they watching the voices in your head

what?

shifu
was funning :D

[rich]

hack posted:QUOTE
they watching the voices in your head

what?

shifu

was funning



The voices in my head did not realize that you were funning.

Sorry about that, I must learn to lighten up a bit, and stop taking

you folks so serious. :rolleyes:

[a random hack]

:lol:

[shifu]

ookey!!! were getting deeper now. :) thanks God Hack was funnning when he says women are watching the voice in my head. Thanks for the relief hack...was thinking i was possed. :lol: Damn, i thought somethin's wrong with me. :lol:

to what? the voices in shifu's head? What for? Give the boy some privacy for Chrissake! <_< ....ey cincinnate kid...don't take seriously pal :D

shifu

[rich]

shifu has a good sense of humor, he just hangs in here,mE[SIZE=4]rRILy
rolling
along. :)

[rich]

Originally posted by rich@Nov 26 2003, 05:21 AM
shifu has a good sense of humor, he just hangs in here,
mErRILy
rolling
along. :)
Please see above. ;)

[sonrisa]

Originally posted by shifu@Nov 24 2003, 03:57 AM

to what? the voices in shifu's head? What for? Give the boy some privacy for Chrissake! <_< ....ey cincinnate kid...don't take seriously pal :D

shifu
uh, actually, I was just funning too. :)

[thirst4sun]

no man can serve two masters



Well I ask..........Why not??? <_<

[rich]

Originally posted by thirst4sun@Jan 9 2004, 12:51 PM
no man can serve two masters



Well I ask..........Why not??? <_<
thirst4sun, I think that it was Jesus who said,
" No man can serve 2 masters, for he will end up loving one, and hating the other or hating one, and loving the other. A house divided against itself can not stand. one can not serve God and Satan."
Not quite sure of the exact wordage, but did read similar thoughts/wordings, somewhere. :) <_<

[HolyTao]

I think there is really only one reality - The Universe! (with all it's dimensions). Religion/Beliefs and Science are the "template" thru which we "see"/understand it. No-one can see Reality as it actually is!

I was bought up as a conservative Christian, but soon explored the Pentecostal/Charismatic churches. When I realised that their "miracles" don't work, I went on to explore Eastern Religion, Science, Psychology, "New Age" ideas and "Self-help" books. I now hold liberal beliefs that combine elements of all of these.

My desire is that I, along with the world in which we live, and all Life, may develop the positive potential that they each have.
My favourite values: Love, Peace, Beauty, Fun, Adventure, Discovery, Change...

[sahyo]

I now hold liberal beliefs



tao te ching

"If you can empty your mind of all thoughts
your heart will embrace the tranquility of peace."

"When intellectualism arises,
hypocrisy is close behind."

[sahyo]

I now hold liberal beliefs



tao te ching

"It is easier to carry an empty cup
than one that is filled to the brim."

(the quotes on this thread from the translation
you posted a link to)

[HolyTao]

I'm not "exclusively" a Taoist.
My "beliefs" are in a constant state of flux.
I am comfortable in the "uncertainty".
The "basic principle" of the Tao is what I believe in. :P
I am a "Liberal Taoist". ;)
I am also a Liberal Christian, Buddhist etc. :)

This is how it all fits together...
"I think there is really only one reality - The Universe! (Tao). Religion/Beliefs and Science are the "template" thru which we "see"/understand it. No-one can see Reality as it actually is!"

We need details/beliefs to function properly in this world. :thumbsup:

[thirst4sun]

[QUOTE]

I think there is really only one reality - The Universe! (with all it's dimensions). Religion/Beliefs and Science are the "template" thru which we "see"/understand it. No-one can see Reality as it actually is!


HolyTao, I have similar beliefs. I was also born and raised a strick catholic. My beleifs have changed since then. I hold beleifs of various religions buddhism, hinduism, catholic, ect....
I feel in my life I am constantly learning new ideas and beleifs which hopfully will lead me sucessfully in finding myself!

[NeverMind]

i am a fu fighter! You will not silence my voice! Tell the world my story! :twoguns: :alcoholic: :smoke:

[sahyo]

nev :silly: ermind sugar overdose?

[Mental Gremlin]

remember the story from the Vedas...the seven blind men and the elephant.......