Words

[DavidS]

Originally posted by rich@Oct 2 2003, 07:12 PM
and certainly hope all will work out for you David, which ever way you want. :) B)
'Me'-David has your 'intersts' at 'heart'as well, richie. Thanks for your feedback. This 'communication' business has it's 'difficulties'! :)

[DavidS]

Originally posted by Ocre@Oct 3 2003, 12:03 AM
“No, nothing really matters, but when it comes to exchange, agreement about the attributed meaning is like the steps of the dance”.
Too true, too true, the 'owl' in me prompt-impels me to 'hoot'. Not 'me', not 'me' ... 'I' didnt 'say' it of my own 'choosing' ... I was 'commanded' to ... the owl told me to say-do that, I swear ... please don't assume I am personal response-able for what I just said ... not 'me" ... it wasn't my 'choice', please 'believe' 'me'!

:lol:

[DavidS]

Originally posted by a random hack@Oct 4 2003, 09:53 PM
... have heard in some place, and no, not sure where, a up and down nod means no..... so guess we shouldn't get too settled with even the meanings of body 'language'. Seems all meaning is conditioned to some extent.....
I can attest, from having grown up (till I was 14) in India, that an alternating 'wiggle-waggle' of the head, first diagonaling from top right to bottom left, then diagonaling from top left to bottom right, and then switching back and forth between those two head-positions, is consensually used by a significant portion of the earth's human population as an 'indication' of "Yes" or "What you just 'advanced' is quite 'alright' with me" meaning.

Funny. Can't quite 'visualize' that 'gesture' deriving from any 'natural' movement in relation to a mother's teat! (I think your 'point' is well-taken nevertheless, Polaris.)

Ocre - it strikes me that such head-waggling as a 'way' of communicating 'assent' is quite freely engaged in. There are other 'ways' and 'gestures' such as the up-and-down gead-waggle that Indians also use to indicate 'assent'. Methinks that, in this case at least, you may be inappropriately 'automatically'-equating consensual agreement pertaining to some sort of 'convention' with bondage of some kind.

[Thomas Knierim]

David: I can attest, from having grown up (till I was 14) in India, that an alternating 'wiggle-waggle' of the head, first diagonaling from top right to bottom left, then diagonaling from top left to bottom right, and then switching back and forth between those two head-positions, is consensually used by a significant portion of the earth's human population as an 'indication' of "Yes" or "What you just 'advanced' is quite 'alright' with me" meaning.

Of course the same gesture means "no" in most other cultures. A friend of mine worked as a waitress in a Thai restaurant while she studied in the US. Once she took an order from an Indian family who came to the restaurant. Since it was a big family the order was fairly large, my friend conscientiously repeated the ordered items upon which the Indian man shook his head. She thought she had missed something, so she went through it again and repeated the whole order. The Indian man still shook his head. After they had gone through this ritual several times, the Indian guests became fairly upset with the repetitive waitress, while the waitress became fairly upset with the uncooperative Indian guests.

These cultural misunderstandings can be fairly tricky. In Cuba, for example, it is customary to whistle or to produce a sibilant like "kss.. ksss.." to get the attention of somebody. This is not normally considered impolite in Cuba. After having staid in Cuba for two month I became accustomed to the habit and on my first day back in Germany I forgot to switch back to German communication standards. Thus in a street cafe I whistled and kss-kssed at the waitress and it did not take long for her to become aggravated. She explained me that she will serve our table only when it is our turn and that she is not going to take any more "kss kss" from me. Oh well. The Germans. They always work according to plan.

Now, in Thailand there exists a whole array of gestures and conventions that serve to express various degrees of respect, disrespect, liking, and disliking. Since these conventions are not very well known outside of Thailand, it is almost impossible for the uninformed foreigner not to keep dropping bricks. American and European tourists usually score best in brick-dropping and I must admit that this provides a constant source of amusement. For example, I remember the American admiral who proudly showed his ship to the visiting Thai dignitaries. Unfortnately, he used his foot to point at the various parts on the lower deck. Since this is one of the rudest imaginable insults in Thailand, the admiral was lucky to live in the 20th century where becoming crocodile food is not the inevitable consequence of such behavior anymore.

Cheers, Thomas

[DavidS]

Originally posted by asheera@Oct 1 2003, 08:12 PM
you thnkinglabeling which not, david :)
Tell it to 'the Boss' or anyone else you think will 'believe' that such statement expresses the 'whole' truth about the matter, asheera. What's not (so) in your eyes ('eyes' meaning 'perception' and 'understandng', asheera), is (so) in mine.

[a random hack]

These cultural misunderstandings can be fairly tricky. In Cuba, for example, it is customary to whistle or to produce a sibilant like "kss.. ksss.." to get the attention of somebody. This is not normally considered impolite in Cuba. After having staid in Cuba for two month I became accustomed to the habit and on my first day back in Germany I forgot to switch back to German communication standards. Thus in a street cafe I whistled and kss-kssed at the waitress and it did not take long for her to become aggravated. She explained me that she will serve our table only when it is our turn and that she is not going to take any more "kss kss" from me. Oh well. The Germans. They always work according to plan.

:lol: this remined me of a story my mum told me once, from her times in autria. there was a cat sitting in the back yard, and she wanted to get it to go away. now in australia, when cats disagree, they tend to hiss at each other, and being a godd cat communicator, she started hissing. unfortunately, apparently 'mitzi' is a fairly common cats name there, and hearing the 'tz' sound, the cat thought it was being called, and started approaching... :lol:

[Ocre]

On the topic of cat-communication;
A cat reassures another cat of it’s good intentions, by averting the gaze; closing the eyelids for a brief moment, maybe even turning the head. (message being: “I am not particularly interested in making you a big deal…”)

Now, people who don’t like cats sit down on your couch, see the animal and in repulsion close their eyes and look away….reassuring Mitzi it’s perfectly save to come and sit on their lap… :D

:-)

[Polaris]

Cats would eat you if you were smaller... and leave your head on the doorstep. evil creatures





:o ;)

[sahyo]

polaris:

(meow)



hehe... ;) :D

[Polaris]

Originally posted by asheera@Oct 8 2003, 06:00 PM
polaris:

(meow)



hehe... ;) :D
:o

:lol:

[BeyondBeliefs]

That's just the microprocessor overheating , trying to follow the discussion.

Microprocessors take everything to literally.
For Humans, reading a sentence is as much a sensation as the meaning of words.

[The Great One]

No one knows what a cat is thinking or what it will do except the cat -just ask Roy.

[DavidS]

Originally posted by The Great One@Oct 14 2003, 09:53 AM
No one knows what a cat is thinking or what it will do except the cat -just ask Roy.
You use one 'incident' out of several zillion as 'statistical evidence' which meets the criterion of 'significance' (I mean, that it indicates something really 'relevant') in terms of 'indicating' whether or not any one can 'know' what a cat is thinking and what it will do at any given moment. What about the 'statistical significance' of the zillion-minus-one 'incidents' which were part and parcel of Roy's dance with that cat? I wonder how 'meaningful', or 'relevant', you think that stat is?

The 'world' which you are 'subjectively' forum-post-creating-n-surf-navigating strikes me as being 'dangerously' 'dangerous', GTO. My 'tone' resonates more with something like this:

"The Spirit, which pervades all that we see, is imperishable. Nothing can destroy the Spirit.

... He who thinks that the Spirit kills, and he who thinks of It as killed, are both ignorant. The Spirit kills not, nor is It killed.

It was not born; It will never die, nor once having been, can It cease to be. Unborn, Eternal, Ever-enduring, yet Most Ancient, the Spirit dies not when the body is dead.

He who knows the Spirit as Indestructible, Immortal, Unborn, Always-the-Same, how should he kill or cause to be killed?

As a man discards his threadbare robes and puts on new, so the Spirit throws off Its worn-out bodies and takes fresh ones.

Weapons cleave It not, fire burns It not, water drenches It not, and wind dries It not.

It is impenetrable; It can be neither drowned nor scorched nor dried. It is Eternal, All-pervading, Unchanging, Immovable and Most Ancient.

It is named the Unmanifest, the Unthinkable, the immutable. Wherefore, knowing the Spirit as such, thou hast no cause to grieve.

Even if thou thinkest of It as constantly being born, constantly dying, even then, O Mighty Man, thou still hast no cause to grieve.

For death is as sure for that which is born, as birth is for that which is dead. Therefore grieve not for what is inevitable."

Chill, Dude . . . B)

[rich]

David,

Thought of this passage, somewhere in The New Testament:

The letter killeth, the spirit giveth.



Polaris,

Do you really consider cats as evil creatures?Cats are good company for people, even
though they appear to be independent, most of them love affection. Why do you think of them as
evil? Meow.

[Polaris]

Polaris,

Do you really consider cats as evil creatures?Cats are good company for people, even
though they appear to be independent, most of them love affection. Why do you think of them as
evil? Meow.

Nah. I'm just joking. Cats aren't evil. They're just being cats.

I grew up with dogs and until about 12 days ago when we had to have our dog put down, there has never been a time when I haven't had a dog. I am familiar with the way dogs work.

Every experience I ever had with a cat involved its claws melting into my flesh like a hot knife through butter. Even if I am visiting a friend who has a cat and that cat is calming purring on my lap, for some uncalled for reason the cat will sink its claws into my thigh or start wrestling with my hand.

Plus there's the slightly untameable factor. A cat that will innocently curl up on the sofa with a child on a rainy afternoon will go out that night and rip through birds' nests or hunt down mice and leaving their severed heads all over the place just like his wild kinfolk doing on the Serengeti Plains in Africa.

The genus-species name for a dog is Canis domesticus. The name for the common house cat is Felis catus...
Note: no derivative of the word domestic appears anywhere near a cat. ;)

[sahyo]

Originally posted by DavidS+Oct 15 2003, 11:32 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (DavidS @ Oct 15 2003, 11:32 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
<!--QuoteBegin--The Great One@Oct 14 2003, 09:53 AM
No one knows what a cat is thinking or what it will do except the cat* -just ask Roy.
You use one 'incident' out of several zillion as 'statistical evidence' which meets the criterion of 'significance' (I mean, that it indicates something really 'relevant') in terms of 'indicating' whether or not any one can 'know' what a cat is thinking and what it will do at any given moment. What about the 'statistical significance' of the zillion-minus-one 'incidents' which were part and parcel of Roy's dance with that cat? I wonder how 'meaningful', or 'relevant', you think that stat is?

The 'world' which you are 'subjectively' forum-post-creating-n-surf-navigating strikes me as being 'dangerously' 'dangerous', GTO. My 'tone' resonates more with something like this:

"The Spirit, which pervades all that we see, is imperishable. Nothing can destroy the Spirit.

... He who thinks that the Spirit kills, and he who thinks of It as killed, are both ignorant. The Spirit kills not, nor is It killed.

It was not born; It will never die, nor once having been, can It cease to be. Unborn, Eternal, Ever-enduring, yet Most Ancient, the Spirit dies not when the body is dead.

He who knows the Spirit as Indestructible, Immortal, Unborn, Always-the-Same, how should he kill or cause to be killed?

As a man discards his threadbare robes and puts on new, so the Spirit throws off Its worn-out bodies and takes fresh ones.

Weapons cleave It not, fire burns It not, water drenches It not, and wind dries It not.

It is impenetrable; It can be neither drowned nor scorched nor dried. It is Eternal, All-pervading, Unchanging, Immovable and Most Ancient.

It is named the Unmanifest, the Unthinkable, the immutable. Wherefore, knowing the Spirit as such, thou hast no cause to grieve.

Even if thou thinkest of It as constantly being born, constantly dying, even then, O Mighty Man, thou still hast no cause to grieve.

For death is as sure for that which is born, as birth is for that which is dead. Therefore grieve not for what is inevitable."

Chill, Dude . . . B)

[/b][/quote]
:lol: ....did read the post david?

[DavidS]

Originally posted by asheera@Oct 15 2003, 02:11 PM
:lol: ....did read the post david?
Yes, I read "No one knows what a cat is thinking or what it will do except the cat -just ask Roy.", which I included as a quote, and then responded to, the post itself. I thought I was being very 'clear' in my art·iculation pertaining to the matter under discussion. So much for subjective hypothesizings!

Did something give you the impression I hadn't read post, asheera? Must have, methinks, or you wouldn't have thought it 'reeasonable' to 'asked' your usual 'insidious'-implication-bearing kind of question in relation to the matter. Pray, share how you came to your 'understanding' in this regard. Maybe there is something I have overlooked.

[sahyo]

Plus there's the slightly untameable factor. A cat that will innocently curl up on the sofa with a child on a rainy afternoon will go out that night and rip through birds' nests or hunt down mice and leaving their severed heads all over the place just like his wild kinfolk doing on the Serengeti Plains in Africa.



hehe....

wasn't cats men kicked faces (trying to bite again) much before left, when body bitten fell breaking head, and couldn't move head and back (a man this building was also bitten when same dogs charged),

wasn't cat which deep bit friends-leg when she was walking,

and wasn't cat which tried biting a small girl walking, which brother tired to chase the dog, and then dog tired to bite the human which dog lived house, when he tired to stop the dog trying to bite the girl

polaris, 'haps research internet humans body die'changing', dog-s biting

not saying human bodys not die'changing' cats also

dogs?cats?humans? :D

[sahyo]

daivid :)

asheera cannot word for saying david posting
not respond tgo posting:


No one knows what a cat is thinking or what it will do except the cat -just ask Roy.

[Polaris]

Dogs bite too, Asheera. And some dogs attack without provocation. Not denying that.

Also not wanting to get into the old dog/cat debate. <_<

[sahyo]

"debate"?

[sahyo]

oh...fogot tell, polaris

asheera scar above eye (almost eye)
when was sleeping floor and startled cat running jumped
landing face

[a random hack]

seems humans bite as much as dogs or cats or tigers...:)

[sahyo]

:)

[rich]

Very interesting, hmmmmmm,

What startled the cat, huh :huh: ?

asheera sleeping on the floor?,

or


do



you




have





tacks in your bed? :unsure:

[sahyo]

:)

[Polaris]

Asheera sleeping
Only dreaming cat is spooked
Cat plots her attack

Asheera thinks cat
Had reason to be scaredy.
Poor poor scaredy-cat.

Cat laughs at She-ra
Knowing plan was perfectly
executed. HA!

Sleeping on the floor.
Cat takes occasion to scar
Asheera for life.

;)

[sahyo]

:lol:

polaris

said "sleeping floor"
since sleeping (on) floor,

but

was morning
and asheera awake
when saw cat startled
when sudden sound, run
trying to jumped out the window
....window was shut....
cat bounced from the window running....
jumped which blocked running
and landed face

(landlord said cat had been left in an
apartment with no food....
brought home cat
....catbody had lost much hair....
sores body....
and would spit up food
after eating....
was very ill and
nervous-jumpy)

[Polaris]

:)

Still...


Asheera thinks cat
Had reason to be scaredy.
Poor poor scaredy-cat.

Polaris would say
Cat playing mind games on you
Cat's ritual dance.

;)

[sahyo]

:)

did cat had "reason to be scardy"?
....did say cat "scardy"?


Polaris would say
Cat playing mind games on you
Cat's ritual dance.


polaris sure?

:)

[sahyo]

are sure was 'cat'?

[BeyondBeliefs]

"From the CatHouse to The Home"

My alarm clock never had a prayer,
As Fuzzy buns hit from way up there,
Her footprints across the ceiling,
Etched a clear path to her prey,
Where, unfortunately there,
A dazed fly on pullcord hung,
Wheezing and gasping for air.

Five four three two ....
Nasa would envy such a launch,
The fly surviving but by a hair.
All the batting about,
by that hovering lout,
Who rotated thrice in mid air.

She is Prowess poised on precision toes,
But what goes up..." the saying still goes,
Oh why there chose, God only knows,
Just lucky my face was there,
Or she'd surely have shred my pillows.

The fly, though dumb, not stupid,
Detecting claws among those paws,
Labels this, "Most hazardous space",
And quickly re-Calculates,
The shortest bee-line past the feline,
A Zig, few zags, he's gone, no trace.

Now, shreaded carpet corners curl,
And slipper fragments fly.
Strips of curtain fuzz fan out,
As a million muffled moans of mayhem,
Eminate from deep within,
a plushy pile of yesterdays finest furnature.

I'll never know if the fly is dead,
I left them there beneath the bed.
Sore and slashed, shaken, sobbing,
Three am, I quit!, head throbbing.
Was calling agents to sell my house,
When came that purring, nuzzling louse.

well...
I kept the house, and kept the louse,
Bought a nifty BugZapper instead.
New furnature, new wallpaper, slippers,
Band aids, asprin, mercurichrome
Ceiling tile and catfood.
Curtains and Catfood,
and catfood, catfood, catfood..

ttpanto 1991.

[Polaris]

Originally posted by asheera@Oct 16 2003, 08:03 PM
are sure was 'cat'?
No. Just going but what you told me. Is Asheera sure was cat? :)

[Polaris]

BB! :lol: :lol:

Great poem.


She is Prowess poised on precision toes,
But what goes up..." the saying still goes,
Oh why there chose, God only knows,
Just lucky my face was there,
Or she'd surely have shred my pillows.


Asheera, maybe it was lucky that your cat didn't shred the floor beneathe your head. Hardwood is so costly to replace ;) :)

[sahyo]

:D :D :D bb

[sahyo]

Hardwood is so costly to replace ;) :D

hehe :D

[DavidS]

Originally posted by Polaris@Oct 16 2003, 06:16 PM
BB! :lol: :lol:

Great poem.
Ditto. That's what I call 'exquisite' 'truth'! Absolutely [de]light·full! ;) Thanks for conduiting it, BB. :D